Thank you for birth certificate clarification - Page 11

Originally posted by: JustaFan13

Abhir is a premature baby and she was already 2-3 months pregnant when the kaand happened.

You are right, if Akshara had taken legal action 6 yrs back, it did make sense and definitely court would have granted custody to Akshara and punished abhi.

But now!!! She herself has forged the document. Hid the child from his parent and her own family.

And you are saying that now she should lie about abhi being the biological father??? Isn't that punishable offence too???

They showed her mapping her pregnany after moving in with Abhinav to seven months. Since she did not have her previous ultrasound reports with her when moving to another city, it is logical to assume that Abhir was born seven months after that.

Dubious paternity suits are a civil case, they are not a criminal offence

https://www.kaanoon.com/326943/removing-name-of-non-biological-father-from-birth-certificate

AkshNav or Navra Mubarak ho . Naira Sharma bhi Mubarak ho ....she might conceive with twins again. Dusra name bhi soch ke rak sakte hain .

As someone said Abhira fans are impossible, Abhira fans at this point of time not at all interested in Ra of Abhira . Infact Abhi had a great escape from a women who had vengeance and revenge in her soulful love. Being a women she had free pass to commit mistakes .

Everyone seems to be asking a sorry from Abhi to Ak . An official ped tagne wala sorry iss baar. Phir bhi kush nahi honge . But did Akshara say sorry to her sister whom she sacrifices everything . She did not have an ounce of guilt . Whose ever mistake was on that day she did not apologize to anyone till date .

Abhira fans are so delighted for Sharma ji and excited that they can move on with their legacy . As Manjari says kush raho but Abhir Abhi ka hi beta hain ...chahe Abhir Kasauli mein rahe ya BH mein .....

Originally posted by: Avanti30

AkshNav or Navra Mubarak ho . Naira Sharma bhi Mubarak ho ....she might conceive with twins again. Dusra name bhi soch ke rak sakte hain .

As someone said Abhira fans are impossible, Abhira fans at this point of time not at all interested in Ra of Abhira . Infact Abhi had a great escape from a women who had vengeance and revenge in her soulful love. Being a women she had free pass to commit mistakes .

Everyone seems to be asking a sorry from Abhi to Ak . An official ped tagne wala sorry iss baar. Phir bhi kush nahi honge . But did Akshara say sorry to her sister whom she sacrifices everything . She did not have an ounce of guilt . Whose ever mistake was on that day she did not apologize to anyone till date .

Abhira fans are so delighted for Sharma ji and excited that they can move on with their legacy . As Manjari says kush raho but Abhir Abhi ka hi beta hain ...chahe Abhir Kasauli mein rahe ya BH mein .....

She is absolutely terrible 💔

Originally posted by: Deltablues

Which part of "forgery for the purpose of cheating" does this satisy? Like the show the has shown, the hospital owned by the biological father's family attested to the miscarriage of the previous pregnancy, the biological father kicked out a miscarrying woman which is a criminal offence under DV act, Abhir was born after seven months of moving in with Abhinav, a full term pregnancy being 38 weeks. A preterm pregnancy can happen anytime. She could say that she did not know that Abhimanyu was the father and she feared for her her life from a family that was senselessly accusing her of murder, or she could tell that she did try to tell him, and he didn't pick up and/or said that he didn't want anything to do with her baby lol. In any case, the court would have called for a paternity test and Abhimanyu would still be in jail under DV act.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/woman-cant-be-thrown-out-even-if-house-not-owned-by-husband-sc/articleshow/78691200.cms

If she had competent lawyers, Birlas would have all been in jail lol.

https://www.kaanoon.com/326943/removing-name-of-non-biological-father-from-birth-certificate

"Paternity fraud" is a civil suit and not a criminal suit. No police station will file a case lol

Don't wanna do this again

But no divorcing someone doesn't ever come under the DV act

Nd it's usually the husband/ex husband who is considered the father for a period of about 300 days (I'm not sure of the number)

The court is not a fool that you can just say anything, her medical report will have how many months pregnant she was when she gave birth

She can't act like oops I thought it was a preterm birth

She could've obviously gone to court filed a criminal suit against AbhiM nd made that a basis of Nav legally adopt Abhir but not put Nav name on the birth certificate (that' providing false information on a very important document)

Establishing paternity or requests to change the BC might be civil suits but u can always file a criminal complaint for giving out false information

For eg Abhir could file a complaint saying his mother wrote wrong name on this BC thus depriving him of his inheritance from his RWP nd having to live a life of limited means when he could've lived in luxuries

Originally posted by: DevilHere

Don't wanna do this again

But no divorcing someone doesn't ever come under the DV act

Nd it's usually the husband/ex husband who is considered the father for a period of about 300 days (I'm not sure of the number)

The court is not a fool that you can just say anything, her medical report will have how many months pregnant she was when she gave birth

She can't act like oops I thought it was a preterm birth

She could've obviously gone to court filed a criminal suit against AbhiM nd made that a basis of Nav legally adopt Abhir but not put Nav name on the birth certificate (that' providing false information on a very important document)

Establishing paternity or requests to change the BC might be civil suits but u can always file a criminal complaint for giving out false information

For eg Abhir could file a complaint saying his mother wrote wrong name on this BC thus depriving him of his inheritance from his RWP nd having to live a life of limited means when he could've lived in luxuries

You cannot just say "chalo I will keep a divorce papersready to throw in your face just in case you eff up/have a miscarriage/my brother dies during your existemce." In-laws/husbands cannot pressurise DIL to sign divorce papers. Akshara was not given a choice.

Manjari explicitly asked for Akshara to be removed from her marital home. It wasn't like they said "now we don't like each other, let's move out and separate mutually." Furthermore, she was verbally assaulted and physically manhandled. All of this falls under DV act.

Writing non-biological father's name in Birth Certificate is not a criminal offence.

An unwed mother doesn't even require a father'a name let alone the fact that she moved in with Abhinav soon after.

There was plausible cause for her/court to believe that Abhinav could have been the father.

Let's remember the fact that the hospital owned by her abusive in-laws misattested to her miscarriage. She could easily counter sue them and Birla hospital would pay her a lifetime of money to settle out of court.

Your invocation of Indian Evidence Act of 1872 hinges on the assumption that a) Akshnav weren't married at the birth which is not clear in the show b) there was no plausible possibility of someone else fathering Abhir.

So lets reverse the case, if Abhir was really Abhinav's biological son born preterm, would he then also be considered Abhimanyu's legal son because born before eight months of divorce?

Lol

Originally posted by: Deltablues

You cannot just say "chalo I will keep a divorce papersready to throw in your face just in case you eff up/have a miscarriage/my brother dies during your existemce." In-laws/husbands cannot pressurise DIL to sign divorce papers. Akshara was not given a choice.

Manjari explicitly asked for Akshara to be removed from her marital home. It wasn't like they said "now we don't like each other, let's move out and separate mutually." Furthermore, she was verbally assaulted and physically manhandled. All of this falls under DV act.

Writing non-biological father's name in Birth Certificate is not a criminal offence.

An unwed mother doesn't even require a father'a name let alone the fact that she moved in with Abhinav soon after.

There was plausible cause for her/court to believe that Abhinav could have been the father.

Let's remember the fact that the hospital owned by her abusive in-laws misattested to her miscarriage. She could easily counter sue them and Birla hospital would pay her a lifetime of money to settle out of court.

Your invocation of Indian Evidence Act of 1872 hinges on the assumption that a) Akshnav weren't married at the birth which is not clear in the show b) there was no plausible possibility of someone else fathering Abhir.

So lets reverse the case, if Abhir was really Abhinav's biological son born preterm, would he then also be considered Abhimanyu's legal son because born before eight months of divorce?

Lol

U can keep divorce papers ready nd no one is gonna stop you... divorce is not a crime

If she didn't wanna sign she could have chosen to not sign nd AbhiM could've filed a divorce petition , the only difference is it wouldn't be a mutual seperation

MJ asked her in state on a panic attack nobody packed her bags nd literally kicked her out , she did leave the house on her own

What do you think divorces happen for if there was no problems that the court is gonna file a DV case over verbal spats... she's gonna say I was physically manhandled how haath jhatak diya

Nd before you come at me I'm not talking about the morality here all that happened was very wrong nd really sad but there's no DV case here

Giving false information on any legal document is an offence

Yes mothers can choose to leave the father's name field blank but not put just anybody name here

No my assumption isn't based on their marital status

My assumption is based on the fact that her medical records from her pregnancy can very well ascertain when the child was conceived

If Abhir was a preterm birth her medical records would state that nd the date of conceiving would be after she left AbhiM house

Your points don't make sense to me.

Abhi didn't force Akshara to sign the divorce papers. She signed it. It was her choice.

And what Manjari said was out of anger and it was momentary as even she was grieving.

As someone had shared in the forum earlier, false diagnosis do happen and it's not a crime!!! The doctor didn't declare miscarriage for fun🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

And not writing the father's name on BC is completely justified. But while the bio was alive and was not aware of the pregnancy, forging the name on BC, without bio father consent and adoption is an offence.

Lastly, it was clearly mentioned in one of the episode that they got married for abhir, so it was definitely after his birth. Their marriage certificate will be a proof of this.

Originally posted by: JustaFan13

Your points don't make sense to me.

Abhi didn't force Akshara to sign the divorce papers. She signed it. It was her choice.

And what Manjari said was out of anger and it was momentary as even she was grieving.

As someone had shared in the forum earlier, false diagnosis do happen and it's not a crime!!! The doctor didn't declare miscarriage for fun🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

And not writing the father's name on BC is completely justified. But while the bio was alive and was not aware of the pregnancy, forging the name on BC, without bio father consent and adoption is an offence.

Lastly, it was clearly mentioned in one of the episode that they got married for abhir, so it was definitely after his birth. Their marriage certificate will be a proof of this.

Bruh he verbally abused her, showed her physical agression by throwing shit around her, and accused her of n number of baseless murders before signing pre-drawn divorce papers saying "lo ho gaya divorce" while she was going through a physically and emotionally traumatic event. She kept mum. I seriously don't understand how people go in day and night defending domestic violence.

Courts will say that "the woman consented to divorce happily and wasn't forced out of her marital home and befrauded poor old Dr. Birla after killing his brother lol."

Imagine if Akshara goes to court and says that the hospital owned by her in-laws led her to believe that she had miscarried both her foetuses, then her in-laws and husband accused her of killing her babies (lets forget the fact that foetuses are not medically, ethically, or legally "babies")

Then they kicked her out, she met Abhinav, hit it off and got to know that she's pregnant, filled in the birth certificate and married him.

Whom will the court side with?

Keeping in mind that a) unwed mothers are not obliged to provide a father's name b) it's well within her rights to fill in a non-biological father's name in the birth certificate if done with his consent. Dubious paternity cases are civil suits not criminal suits.

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