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a question for folks here -- can a man just say talaq 3 times during a fight and still become legally valid? doesn't he need witnesses to confirm what he said? permission from the religious elders or some sort of legal authority?

according to wiki - Pakistan is among the countries worldwide that have banned triple talaq. (India banned it in 2019)

since fardeen just impulsively said, how can it be still valid? doesn't it need to be confirmed by a religious elder? does uzimi need to provide proof for it to be valid?

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

a question for folks here -- can a man just say talaq 3 times during a fight and still become legally valid? doesn't he need witnesses to confirm what he said? permission from the religious elders or some sort of legal authority?

according to wiki - Pakistan is among the countries worldwide that have banned triple talaq. (India banned it in 2019)

since fardeen just impulsively said, how can it be still valid? doesn't it need to be confirmed by a religious elder? does uzimi need to provide proof for it to be valid?

You don't need proof for a triple talaq... It is definitely valid.. Legally it maybe banned but people who follow Islam accept triple talaq as a valid divorce especially the conservative types...

There can be many version of a talaq for which a scholar can be consulted... Like if husband says if you vist your parents house then it means triple talaq from my side.. This is all debatable talaqs but uttering the word thrice just removes doubt and it is pint of no return...

A nikah is now nullified and anything physical a sin

Originally posted by: zooni.blue

You don't need proof for a triple talaq... It is definitely valid.. Legally it maybe banned but people who follow Islam accept triple talaq as a valid divorce especially the conservative types...

There can be many version of a talaq for which a scholar can be consulted... Like if husband says if you vist your parents house then it means triple talaq from my side.. This is all debatable talaqs but uttering the word thrice just removes doubt and it is pint of no return...

A nikah is now nullified and anything physical a sin

oh I see; in India, it has been banned and so how it happens is totally different. the talaq needs witnesses. so they need to go to the council and it has to be done with notice to the wife. I am not too sure but I also think that someone from her side needs to be present to accept and witness in front of the council. there is also some sort of time in between each of the 3 notices. that is what I was told by a family we know.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

oh I see; in India, it has been banned and so how it happens is totally different. the talaq needs witnesses. so they need to go to the council and it has to be done with notice to the wife. I am not too sure but I also think that someone from her side needs to be present to accept and witness in front of the council. there is also some sort of time in between each of the 3 notices. that is what I was told by a family we know.

Dunno what is procedure after the ban in India but most divorces of course happen with a council and stuff... The anger divorce with triple talaq is considered valid by all Orthodox Muslims irrespective of legality

Originally posted by: zooni.blue

Dunno what is procedure after the ban in India but most divorces of course happen with a council and stuff... The anger divorce with triple talaq is considered valid by all Orthodox Muslims irrespective of legality

oh I see; another question -- if either of the parties (like fardeen) here contest the event and say it never happened, would it still be accepted as valid? or does it become a he said/she said kind of mess?

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

oh I see; another question -- if either of the parties (like fardeen) here contest the event and say it never happened, would it still be accepted as valid? or does it become a he said/she said kind of mess?

This is when matter drags to courts, scholarship come in with fatwas and all that...

The thing is when a triple talaq is done... Both parties if they accept the rigid rules of Islam them will opt for a legal divorce deed soon after... But if they aren't practising Muslims they may just ignore it as a fight and move on

Here the issue is kinza is very much into Islam as a base for all actions... She doesn't allow physical contact till nikah bit azfar is modern and wouldn't mind premarital sex so a triple talaq wouldn't matter to him... The conflicting religious views and how it will be dealt with needs to be seen

Originally posted by: zooni.blue

This is when matter drags to courts, scholarship come in with fatwas and all that...

The thing is when a triple talaq is done... Both parties if they accept the rigid rules of Islam them will opt for a legal divorce deed soon after... But if they aren't practising Muslims they may just ignore it as a fight and move on

Here the issue is kinza is very much into Islam as a base for all actions... She doesn't allow physical contact till nikah bit azfar is modern and wouldn't mind premarital sex so a triple talaq wouldn't matter to him... The conflicting religious views and how it will be dealt with needs to be seen

thanks for the explanation; I was thinking that because it didn't happen in front of a council and witnesses, he was saying it is not real. now the episode makes more sense.

Originally posted by: Ctrl-Alt-Del

I agree with everything you said. Yes, Kinza and Azfu are great in their respective roles. And yes, Fazila Qazi is still pretty though she was prettier in her young days. Also, yes, she and the guy who played her husband in this drama and in Bakhtawar too, is her real-life husband, Qaiser Nizamani.

As for the drama, not just the subject is good, the acting and execution are also so good so far. I was not expecting Uzmi this courageous as she was in today's episode. I'm impressed by the way she never let Fardeen make any false story. The promo will most probably kill this pleasant surprise for me but I don't wanna think about that right now. The way all characters responded after the big reveal is confusing as in one scene the person reacts exactly how we want her/him to react but in the next scene he/she change his/her stance or start showing confusion and we get confused too. For instance, mother-in-law was was so supportive and righteous after knowing the news but after coming back from Uzmi's home she start saying perhaps she did a mistake.

What shocked me more than anything is Uzmi's mother. Uzmi was praising her bhabi that she told me the importance of consent in a husband-wife's relationship. First, the bhabi was like Uzmi isn't praising her but putting blame on her. And then, the way mother reacted was the biggest shock for me. She reacted as if bhabhi is the real culprit and she has no problem with if Uzmi had made any sexual relation with Fardeen before rukhsati for the sake of keeping their rishta intact.

Thank you for the pics. Whenever Fazila Qazi is on screen I only look at her ❤️

I love the kinza's subtle change in emotions as she now knows Fardeen is not ever going to reveal anything and stands up for herself. Also Azfu is too good in a negative role. I don't think Uzmi had any second thoughts throughout the whole episode. I too, don't want to think about the promo right now.

Yes. For now, I liked Uzmi's mother-in-law and her bhabi better than her mother. Although mother-in-law flipped later, at least she immediately let Uzmi go and confronted Fardeen immediately, and gave a much-needed slap. And now she actually knows that her son is the actual culprit. I guess her love for her son and then her husband's manipulation is the reason for her to flip. But, eventually she too might support Uzmi.

Also, I liked the way her bhabi asked her to reveal everything so that she could confront questions that were eventually going to come on her way. But, again, her mother started blaming bhabi😡. But, I liked the way Uzmi cleared her point and defended bhabi. Uzmi's mother is one of the reasons Uzmi is in trouble in the first place😡. Also, pointing fingers at bhabi just because her words gave uzmi courage😡. She is the type of mom who is most concerned about what others will say. Although there are some mothers like her, Wish we get strong mothers in Pakistani shows.

I was kind of confused, maybe I missed something. Did he not tell his father what he told his mother? Or does the father know and is obfuscating or essentially contributing to the his gaslighting?! Because the father is now saying son didn’t say talaq even to his mother, someone pls clarify. I am understanding it as father is also lying

Originally posted by: columbia

I was kind of confused, maybe I missed something. Did he not tell his father what he told his mother? Or does the father know and is obfuscating or essentially contributing to the his gaslighting?! Because the father is now saying son didn’t say talaq even to his mother, someone pls clarify. I am understanding it as father is also lying

I think he did tell his father everything but those scenes were muted with music. the father was like "what is wrong with you moron?" but then fardeen plays the only son card and how he can't live without uzimi. because he is a spoilt brat who must get what he wants, the father is playing along because he also thinks they can find some sort of workaround as long as uzimi is in their fold. that was what I understood but I could bewrong.