GHKPM daily episode discussion thread #84 - Page 55

I’m waiting for Neilu Peelu sena k tweets about how his family emotionally manipulated him into offering a honeymoon to his achi dost/pyaari cheez/ex bhabhi cum present wife Paapi🤣🤣

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Yeah i think so. See the more Sai goes away from him, he will take drastic steps!!

Either, it could be him forcing himself to move on (Direct theory) OR his gameplan to protect Pakhi and fix everything with Sai soon (Indirect theory...mahan chavan at play)

Both ways, the more Sai goes away from him, he will grow (act) closer to Pakhi.

In direct theory, fate will intervene..In indirect theory, Virat himself will twist the scenarios. But I think there will be no moving on or consummation in either case. Till now, nothing has been shown that he wants to move on. Only yesterday he said he cant love anyone else.

How is he going to "Fix" all this with Sai?!... she is literally seeing it with her eyes that he is remarrying P on his own decision...shes not seeing his turmoil she doesnt know he said he cant love anyone else...

Indirect theory is complicated I dont think creatives will put that much work into it...the easy route is fate....and Sai will melt easily as shes already reflected that she has feelings still.....but V is not worthy of her anymore...so the whole Fate thing is stupid because he doesnt deserve her ....

I had hoped that the eventual track would be V redeeming himself moving mountains fighting everyone to bring down Sais walls and be with her again....but they twisted it so he's doing everything to be with P when he doesnt even love her lol its so stupid...

Originally posted by: Kumuda-123

The moment he snatched vinu from sai despite knowing she can't be a mother again & vinu is only her blood relation on the earth.

That was end of sairat for me. Him marrying pakhi is nothing infront of it.

So I can't trust his love. I am not sure does he even know the definition of love.

Love definition can be subjective but one thing is constant that no one can make their love suffer for whatever reasons.

But he unapologically sent her jail , made plans to keep her there permanently.

The fact that he slept peacefully on the bed while sai was suffering in jail because of him.

No person in love can do that.

Even if he has great reason behind his actions towards pakhi.

That great reason can't be enough worthy for the pain sai is enduring because of him. Never.

Hmm..let me explain something.

see everyone of us have definitions of love. We should not let that interfere with the story. We should try to see the characters, listen to the dialogues and understand it. For example: No girl would want to marry a person like Virat who prioritizes other women. I dont want him in my life. But sai has him in her life and they are showing their love story. You can only feel good or bad about what is shown. You cant make a story work like how you want it.

Let me give you an example: If you know the story of Mahabharatha, 50% of people love Karna and think he is a victim and 50% think he is the anti hero, who stood against Dharma. It depends on your definition of "dharma". No one is wrong. But people dont go and say Dhuryodhana is the hero. Never. There are some characters who are black. And some grey characters, who will need to be analyzed based on your own understanding of life.

I have one more example. In Ramayana, when Lord Ram leaves his mortal body, his brothers leave their families and join him. Is it right or wrong? Lakshman follows him leaving his young wife to serve his brother. is it right or wrong. If someone loves their brother dearly, they think Lakshman is the best brother. For a person who sympathizes with women, Lakshman troubled his wife. Bharat and Shatrugan troubled their wives. How can they leave their wives who they promised to protect, for their brother!! But thats how you have to understand their characters. You cant judge them based on your understanding. The brothers in Ramayana are inseparable. They love their eldest brother more than anything. If you understand their decision by being in their shoes and what is told by Valmiki, you will appreciate them or debate their choices. Otherwise, in every story there will be something that you dont like it.

Long story short, check my answers to your questions in red. I am not supporting them. I am bringing to your attention what is shown in the plot.

The moment he snatched vinu from sai despite knowing she can't be a mother again & vinu is only her blood relation on the earth.

From Virat's POV(Ayesha said this too in her interview), Pakhi committed suicide under PPD. He believes in the doctor that Pakhi had no meaning to live after Vinu was born and given away to Sai. SO, he gave Vinu to Sai "For some period of time". He doesnt know that Pakhi threatened Sai about snatching Vinu. Sai's truth is different from his. However, the way he snatched and gave to Pakhi is deplorable and tear jerking. And paved way for Sai's insecurities. He faced the consequences by losing Sai and Vinu.

That was end of sairat for me. Him marrying pakhi is nothing infront of it.

So I can't trust his love. I am not sure does he even know the definition of love.

Love definition can be subjective but one thing is constant that no one can make their love suffer for whatever reasons.

This is true! I agree. Sai has been suffering. No doubt. But will she feel rewarded if she gets back Virat intact? And will she get back Virat with all her confusions gone? If so, her suffering might be worth it. I mean love should not be the end goal to any girl's life, but this is a love story so I am talking about it as end goal. Just story POV.

But he unapologically sent her jail , made plans to keep her there permanently.

See this Sai also forgiven him. She understood his anger and pain. This is no where close to what he has done by getting bail to Pakhi.

The fact that he slept peacefully on the bed while sai was suffering in jail because of him.

Here is where your judgements are coming in. You have to see how sai didnt even count it. She understood his pain and anger and forgave him. Atleast that is what shown in the story

No person in love can do that.

Your judgement again :) If you bring in your judgements you will not like it. At this point, either you should stop seeing the show or settle for what is shown. :D

Even if he has great reason behind his actions towards pakhi.

That great reason can't be enough worthy for the pain sai is enduring because of him. Never.

This is upto Sai. If she gets back virat with all his mistakes addressed and her all insecurities addressed and knowing once for all they only loved each other, what Sai is eduring can be rewarding in the end. Picture abhi baaki hain mere dost!!

Read this with neutral mindset. I am not a virat stan, i m story stan. I am Vankar stan you could say (I doubt that sometimes). So I am not putting your opinion down. I am just addressing why people are so agonized over this story. If you see the episodes as they are shown, see the emotions and dialogues...and go by them, you will not feel so agitated.

If you ask me, what will put me off. Marriage with Pakhi has already put me off. But then why am i seeing it? Because the characters are established so well and the love between them, I have a hope that they will stick to their character arcs and the story pre-leap. I have trust on the story writers and Vankar that they will tie the loose ends. If they show Virat and Pakhi in the end, they not only fooled us, they fooled themselves and the original writer too. What can we do then?😃

Sai forgiving someone, moving past something people have done to her or ignoring it and focusing on other important things in life is different than saying that we should all watch with hope for Sai V reunion and accept that this is what a loving relationship looks like because thats what is being shown. People stuck around to watch for the sake of justice, to see how Sai will move on, NOT to watch Sai reconcile with V after all that he has done. The way the story stands, the logical conclusion that people want to see is that V and P should be miserable, realize that they are paying the price of screwing sai's life, repent all their life but realize that they cannot undo the wrongs they have done. Sai gets to move on happily witht the kids +/- another man who can value her for who she is. Seeing this end with Sai V reunion because its fate or for the sake of kids is unacceptable. Seeing this end by saying V always only loved Sai will be even worse because love isnt what they have shown. He has dropped to such lows that it is impossible to accept the explanation that he has done it all out of love. No frickin way. They have not shown him have even an iota of dilemma, discomfort when he has harassed and harmed the woman he claimed to love. The ending cannot be that sai needs V to be happy in life. Its a huge disservice. ITs endorsement of toxicity and abuse. Even if V realizes he screwed up, whats done cannot be undone. Sai going back to being with a guy like that means that it compromises even her character. they can be coparents but the doors on Sairat should be firmly shut.

Originally posted by: mysticriver

Where's the show going. I ain't gonna watch anymore but do tag me once if something changes in the show ☺️

Good bye till then!

i dont know I am so excited to watch it. As I said when whole FD has given up, I will be on the prowl 🤣

People in Odisha see Duryodhana as a white character because his wife was from Kalinga and Odisha fought the war from Kaurava's side. I have read many folklores where Duryodhana was the hero 😆

Even I see Duryodhana as a grey character

Karna on the other hand was the one who called for Draupadi's chirharan so he is nothing more than a molester for me

Originally posted by: NSharma01

People in Odisha see Duryodhana as a white character because his wife was from Kalinga and Odisha fought the war from Kaurava's side. I have read many folklores where Duryodhana was the hero 😆

Even I see Duryodhana as a grey character

Karna on the other hand was the one who called for Draupadi's chirharan so he is nothing more than a molester for me

Yes me too I cant forgive Karna for what he has done during cheerharan. But we have stories on him as hero.

Vyasa himself made dhuryodhan black, but not Karna. So yeah. There are people who think Lord Ram is the worst husband. But still 99% of women want a man like Lord Ram. Why because he is the one who has proved, he will not marry the second time if wife dies even if he is entitled to. For wives, that is the only thing they want. He gave the best answer to "willl you remarry if I die?". 🤣. What else does a wife want.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Hmm..let me explain something.

see everyone of us have definitions of love. We should not let that interfere with the story. We should try to see the characters, listen to the dialogues and understand it. For example: No girl would want to marry a person like Virat who prioritizes other women. I dont want him in my life. But sai has him in her life and they are showing their love story. You can only feel good or bad about what is shown. You cant make a story work like how you want it.

Let me give you an example: If you know the story of Mahabharatha, 50% of people love Karna and think he is a victim and 50% think he is the anti hero, who stood against Dharma. It depends on your definition of "dharma". No one is wrong. But people dont go and say Dhuryodhana is the hero. Never. There are some characters who are black. And some grey characters, who will need to be analyzed based on your own understanding of life.

I have one more example. In Ramayana, when Lord Ram leaves his mortal body, his brothers leave their families and join him. Is it right or wrong? Lakshman follows him leaving his young wife to serve his brother. is it right or wrong. If someone loves their brother dearly, they think Lakshman is the best brother. For a person who sympathizes with women, Lakshman troubled his wife. Bharat and Shatrugan troubled their wives. How can they leave their wives who they promised to protect, for their brother!! But thats how you have to understand their characters. You cant judge them based on your understanding. The brothers in Ramayana are inseparable. They love their eldest brother more than anything. If you understand their decision by being in their shoes and what is told by Valmiki, you will appreciate them or debate their choices. Otherwise, in every story there will be something that you dont like it.

Long story short, check my answers to your questions in red. I am not supporting them. I am bringing to your attention what is shown in the plot.

The moment he snatched vinu from sai despite knowing she can't be a mother again & vinu is only her blood relation on the earth.

From Virat's POV(Ayesha said this too in her interview), Pakhi committed suicide under PPD. He believes in the doctor that Pakhi had no meaning to live after Vinu was born and given away to Sai. SO, he gave Vinu to Sai "For some period of time". He doesnt know that Pakhi threatened Sai about snatching Vinu. Sai's truth is different from his. However, the way he snatched and gave to Pakhi is deplorable and tear jerking. And paved way for Sai's insecurities. He faced the consequences by losing Sai and Vinu.

That was end of sairat for me. Him marrying pakhi is nothing infront of it.

So I can't trust his love. I am not sure does he even know the definition of love.

Love definition can be subjective but one thing is constant that no one can make their love suffer for whatever reasons.

This is true! I agree. Sai has been suffering. No doubt. But will she feel rewarded if she gets back Virat intact? And will she get back Virat with all her confusions gone? If so, her suffering might be worth it. I mean love should not be the end goal to any girl's life, but this is a love story so I am talking about it as end goal. Just story POV.

But he unapologically sent her jail , made plans to keep her there permanently.

See this Sai also forgiven him. She understood his anger and pain. This is no where close to what he has done by getting bail to Pakhi.

The fact that he slept peacefully on the bed while sai was suffering in jail because of him.

Here is where your judgements are coming in. You have to see how sai didnt even count it. She understood his pain and anger and forgave him. Atleast that is what shown in the story

No person in love can do that.

Your judgement again :) If you bring in your judgements you will not like it. At this point, either you should stop seeing the show or settle for what is shown. :D

Even if he has great reason behind his actions towards pakhi.

That great reason can't be enough worthy for the pain sai is enduring because of him. Never.

This is upto Sai. If she gets back virat with all his mistakes addressed and her all insecurities addressed and knowing once for all they only loved each other, what Sai is eduring can be rewarding in the end. Picture abhi baaki hain mere dost!!

Read this with neutral mindset. I am not a virat stan, i m story stan. I am Vankar stan you could say (I doubt that sometimes). So I am not putting your opinion down. I am just addressing why people are so agonized over this story. If you see the episodes as they are shown, see the emotions and dialogues...and go by them, you will not feel so agitated.

If you ask me, what will put me off. Marriage with Pakhi has already put me off. But then why am i seeing it? Because the characters are established so well and the love between them, I have a hope that they will stick to their character arcs and the story pre-leap. I have trust on the story writers and Vankar that they will tie the loose ends. If they show Virat and Pakhi in the end, they not only fooled us, they fooled themselves and the original writer too. What can we do then?😃

Just because sai wants virat, I can't call whatever virat has for sai as love. When his actions no where proving it.

I am not mahaan like sai who see actions like power abuse, domestic abuse as that person's pain & agony. By this logic every abuser in the world has his pain behind his abusive actions. That is not okay just because the victim is okay with it.

@bold he didn't face consequences. He himself created those consequences by bailing pakhi very well knowing what impact it can create on his married life.

About the examples you took. Had virat showed conflict between a family member, a friend, anyone (who is not the woman he knows loves him, has feelings for him, don't mind harming sai his supposed to be love for him ) & sai. Then your examples can be suited.

But he prioritised a woman who don't mind harming his so called love for him.

It's not his duty, it was his decision. So it isn't some unavoidable things like the above examples.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Yes me too I cant forgive Karna for what he has done during cheerharan. But we have stories on him as hero.

Vyasa himself made dhuryodhan black, but not Karna. So yeah. There are people who think Lord Ram is the worst husband. But still 99% of women want a man like Lord Ram. Why because he is the one who has proved, he will not marry the second time if wife dies even if he is entitled to. For wives, that is the only thing they want. He gave the best answer to "willl you remarry if I die?". 🤣. What else does a wife want.

But why does the wife want her husband to spend his life alone in misery? Shouldn't she ask him to move on and be happy if she loves him?

PS - We'll discuss Hindu mythology in appropriate forum, I don't want to get a warning 😆

Originally posted by: Kumuda-123

Sorry agree to disagree.

Just because sai wants virat, I can't call whatever virat has for sai as love. When his actions no where proving it.

I am not mahaan like sai who see actions like power abuse, domestic abuse as that person's pain & agony. By this logic every abuser in the world has his pain behind his abusive actions. That is not okay just because the victim is okay with it.

@bold he didn't face consequences. He himself created those consequences by bailing pakhi very well knowing what impact it can create on his married life.

About the examples you took. Had virat showed conflict between a family member, a friend, anyone (who is not the woman he knows loves him, has feelings for him, don't mind harming sai his supposed to be love for him ) & sai. Then your examples can be suited.

But he prioritised a woman who don't mind harming his so called love for him.

It's not his duty, it was his decision. So it isn't some unavoidable things like the above examples.

Then your choice is either to stick for some more time and see what happens or discontinue.

You cant agonize on what happened already. I dont think they are changing the story based on TRPs. may be the drama factor is influenced by TRP. Vankar has his plot ready IMO. He withheld his forte during "illegal" surrogacy itlself. That was the toughest choice IMO. He compromised the hero and an IPS. So his plot is ready. I dont think he is changing that based on TRPs. that is why i think sairat is the endgame. If you dont want such kind of a story, then switching off is the only option right? I am genuinely asking not condescending.

For example: If they show Pakhi virat love, I am done. I will switch off.