What is happening to the world ? - Page 13

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

can you stop changing goal post?

for all my points, you haven’t made a coherent argument.

I gave you history of goobear n you changed goal post.

And yes Rana Ayyub is devil. She did fraud. She had accepted that to ED. She did crowdfunding for covid relief and used that for her personal expenses. Court still let her go. Rana is a biggest fraud. If she so cares for Democracy, why didn’t she talk about beheadings in India? I guess beheadings are part of democracy. Sorry my bad.

It’s a time waste to debate with the likes of you. Again my bad for indulging.

I am sorry you do not find my responses coherent. I am not even sure which post you are referring to?

I am just giving you examples of many journalists. Freedom of the press is important because it helps keeps the government in check. Especially when a government like BJP that has too much power.

Woops another evil journalist. He also deserved prison?

"Journalist Siddique Kappan has been in prison since October 2020. He has been charged under India’s sedition law and the draconian Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act (UAPA) for trying to report on the Hathras gang rape and murder case. In Hathras, a 19-year-old Dalit woman was gang-raped by upper-caste Thakur men and later died in the hospital. She was hurriedly cremated by the Uttar Pradesh Police in the middle of the night without the consent or the presence of her family. The gruesome violence and the police complicity in protecting the perpetrators made headlines in India. Kappan and three others—two student activists, Atikur Rahman and Masood Ahmed, and their driver, Aalam—were arrested. After his arrest, Kappan was tortured by the police and denied medication for diabetes."

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/india-violence-journalists/

My point is there can't be something wrong with all of the journalists that have been imprisoned or faced some sort of legal consequences. Modi has been cutting down press freedom by a lot. Republic and Times are already his puppets. If no one is left to ask difficult questions how will a party that already has a super majority be kept in check from abusing their power.

Since August 2019, immigration authorities have barred journalists, mostly from Indian-administered Kashmir including Pulitzer winner Sana Irshad, Zahid Rafiq, Gowhar Geelani, and Akash Hassan, from flying outside India. human rights defenders, including the chairman of Jammu and Kashmir Coalition of Civil Society Khurram Parvez, who has been imprisoned in Tihar since Dec 2021, and Aakar Patel of Amnesty International India, have also been reportedly prevented from flying outside the country. Many observers in Kashmir believe there could be an official policy ofpressuring and imposing structural restrictions on the movement of the journalists involved in critical reporting in the area.

https://inkstickmedia.com/the-new-norm-of-censorship-in-modis-india/

Originally posted by: Grumpydwarf24

msp is the minimum guaranteed price. That is kind of like the minimum wage. You take that away and corporations can pay people whatever they would like. There are already people being abused for starvation wages. For the same reason, a crop should be given a minimum price guarantee. He should not be left at the mercy of the buyer.

How can small farming be made profitable? First of all do not pass laws without debate like these three laws were passed. And have farmers unions on the table. They had plenty of ideas.

debates dont happen on net and streets for law and policy in a democracy

let me finally tell you finally what is needed since you dont seem to read any of the reports

the current system of msp is flawed, you cannot have a fixed price, given the variations in cropping, yields , support given by states etc. the current system has led to environmentally unsustainable crops, why is punjab in paddy-wheat mono culture? and a side of stubble burning

all crops do not have msp, sugarcane operates very differently because of mills

let me list quickly what is needed to safeguard farmers as we transition, remunerative prices to farmers, market detremines price, building mechanisms to safeguard

need of the hour is to build efficient markets and provide price or income support for efficient production, rather than guaranteeing a price for every crop.

anyway i have said what i had to

Originally posted by: vcs17

debates dont happen on net and streets for law and policy in a democracy

let me finally tell you finally what is needed since you dont seem to read any of the reports

the current system of msp is flawed, you cannot have a fixed price, given the variations in cropping, yields , support given by states etc. the current system has led to environmentally unsustainable crops, why is punjab in paddy-wheat mono culture? and a side of stubble burning

all crops do not have msp, sugarcane operates very differently because of mills

let me list quickly what is needed to safeguard farmers as we transition, remunerative prices to farmers, market detremines price, building mechanisms to safeguard (dbt for small farmers) just like in commodities

need of the hour is to build efficient markets and provide price or income support for efficient production, rather than guaranteeing a price for every crop.

anyway i have said what i had to

When did I say the debate needed to happen on the street? I said farmers' unions. All of them have representatives that would make sure their interests and ideas were heard. Ideas from outside representatives are heard all the time. Also, these bills were passed without any debate even from other members of parliament.

MSP just guarantees farmers will get enough money for their crops to sustain themselves from the market. Yes, I never said it was for all crops. Even though it should be.

As in the price buying, the crops is open to negotiations in a corporate Mandi is what these bills were suggesting. As in leaving it between the farmers and buyers. Unless I read something wrong while I was reading them.

The articles being posted here and the points being mentioned about farm laws paving way to some kind of monopoly and killing off small businesses are very blanket generalisations and reflect a lack of understanding of the ground reality with respect to the middle men, the issues regarding transport from farm to mandis, working of APMCs, the poor realisation of market value of the produce, the heavily fragmented land, the skewed production of a handful of crops which has only been worsening with MSP thrown into the mix. Lessening the restrictions over the channels through which produce is sold doesn't necessarily translate to monopoly, that is a one dimensional way of looking at it, as if saying technology will pull the plug on jobs of daily labourers.

While there could have been more inclusions in the farm laws to protect the interests of small farmers and resolve the disputes with more weightage given to the small farmers' protection legally, the bare structure of it should have been stayed and welcomed. While Agriculture is the backbone, our country has to pave way for some radical changes to reduce the misery involved in the occupation and farm laws were going to be thr starting point!

Adani was already prepared to take over. There were several signs.

https://caravanmagazine.in/amp/excerpt/how-the-adani-group-is-poised-to-control-the-agricultural-market-following-the-farm-law

He has already become very rich under Modi.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/10/06/mzdm-o06.html

Originally posted by: TheekThaak

The articles being posted here and the points being mentioned about farm laws paving way to some kind of monopoly and killing off small businesses are very blanket generalisations and reflect a lack of understanding of the ground reality with respect to the middle men, the issues regarding transport from farm to mandis, working of APMCs, the poor realisation of market value of the produce, the heavily fragmented land, the skewed production of a handful of crops which has only been worsening with MSP thrown into the mix. Lessening the restrictions over the channels through which produce is sold doesn't necessarily translate to monopoly, that is a one dimensional way of looking at it, as if saying technology will pull the plug on jobs of daily labourers.

While there could have been more inclusions in the farm laws to protect the interests of small farmers and resolve the disputes with more weightage given to the small farmers' protection legally, the bare structure of it should have been stayed and welcomed. While Agriculture is the backbone, our country has to pave way for some radical changes to reduce the misery involved in the occupation and farm laws were going to be thr starting point!

Also to add to this post, yeah of course let us all legalize MSP so that we spend more money on buying the crops being produced in abundance even with a lot of environmental concerns, so that the privileged few availing MSP can get even richer and let us continously meddle into the dynamics of demand-supply and always keep it a fabricated market handled with kid gloves, doesnt matter if it is just not going to be sustainable for anybody in the long run.