The Bachchan's cold shoulder towards Aishwarya Rai - Page 15

Originally posted by: JodhaBai

Well, that's not misogyny. Someone believing its better for a woman to stay home and raise their child isn't a bad person. They just have different values than another person. If Amitabh said this I see it as him praising Kajol for making the sacrifice to stay home for her child. Seems to me Aishwarya made that choice too. I think that makes them strong women. If a man stayed home and the wife went to work I'd say the same thing about them.

Yup. Here it comes. The *values* argument.

Is your contention then that women like Sharmila Tagore, Indira Gandhi, Indira Hinduja, Shiney Abraham, Indra Nooyi were not strong?

What about the teachers, the doctors, the nurses, the not so elite athletes, the businesswomen who no one knows about? Are they weak for working after kids?

Hey, how about Amitabh and Ajay Devgan? How come they continued working after they had children? Were they weak men?

Of course you're going to say it's their choice . Strange how the choice somehow ends up with women quitting work and losing their financial independence.

But it's not misogyny. Not at all.

There's an old saying. You can only wake those who're actually sleeping, not those pretending to sleep. So go ahead and pretend. I'm not going waste my time arguing the point.

I like Aish, and empathize with her but I honestly don't think this is a terrible situation. Yes, the bachchans ignore her but she probably does not care too much and if she does, I hope she takes comfort in the fact that she has it better than many other women. There are women who are ignored or straight up reviled by their in-laws, but they dont have the luxury or financial independance to get out of the situation.

It would be a mistake to refer to Aish as a bechari or tortured bahu, she has plenty of power and knows how to wield it- which is a good thing.

Why are people painting Shweta out be a victim? That arranged marriage at a young age was wrong but her not going into films cuz of her family is not something to pity her for. She is not even ambitious to do anything. Shweta is pushing 50. You're telling me that in half a century, she didn't amount to anything except living off her parents money and husband's alimony? Even her kids have no career to speak of. Shweta comes from immense privilege. She didn't have to go into films to become something of substance if that was the issue. She chould've gone into any other line of work. She chose to be a freeloader. Last time I checked, successful people can be from any field of work. Her relationship not working out was probably a blow for her but she's not ambitious. She's a true example of getting everything on a platter and not working a day in her life cuz she had the choice not to. I don't feel sorry her. Her not liking Aish for whatever reason is petty. Aish is self-made no matter what anybody has to say about her skillset. Shweta can't amount to half of what Aishwariya is.

Originally posted by: pomegranate

I like Aish, and empathize with her but I honestly don't think this is a terrible situation. Yes, the bachchans ignore her but she probably does not care too much and if she does, I hope she takes comfort in the fact that she has it better than many other women. There are women who are ignored or straight up reviled by their in-laws, but they dont have the luxury or financial independance to get out of the situation.

It would be a mistake to refer to Aish as a bechari or tortured bahu, she has plenty of power and knows how to wield it- which is a good thing.

I honestly think Abhishek is not talking about the movie because AB has a dispute with Mani Ratnam. Just like Jaya and Ayan earlier, I think the Bachchan's have a policy where everyone has their own "relationships/friendships" and the others don't meddle.

- Jaya interacted with Ayan even though Amitabh is mad at Ayan

- Aishwarya has always been close to Rekha, Rekha helped her and encouraged her a lot.

- Aishwarya has the good relationship with Mani, so Abhishek doesn't meddle. He's not the one working with him.

- Abhishek is closer to KJO than Amitabh is, KJO-Amitabh's fallout could/probably has happened, but Abhishek will maintain a relationship.

- Abhishek is close to certain people Aishwarya is not - ie he is cordial with Salman because of the policy: he doesn't shut out Salman because he won't meddle. I'm sure if Aishwarya is uncomfortable he would leave early from an event or something - but he will interact and praise Salman.

- Shweta does not like Aishwarya, she has her own friend circle with Karan and her childhood friends.

Why poor Aishwarya? She seems happier with this arrangement and doesn't have to deal with the burden of the Bachchan's expectations. Also since she is more comfortable with her coworkers in the South, it makes sense she would take her daughter there. She doesn't take Aaradhya so publicly to every movie, but Poniyan Selvan is probably one of the last biggest movies she'll ever get - it makes sense she wants Aaradhya to experience that.

The Aishwarya Rai brand is different from the Bachchans. Amitabh and Abhishek's images are intertwined. They are one brand. Jaya technically is part of that brand but also maintains a political image since Amitabh's political ventures failed.

Originally posted by: Cookies..

Why are people painting Shweta out be a victim? That arranged marriage at a young age was wrong but her not going into films cuz of her family is not something to pity her for. She is not even ambitious to do anything. Shweta is pushing 50. You're telling me that in half a century, she didn't amount to anything except living off her parents money and husband's alimony? Even her kids have no career to speak of. Shweta comes from immense privilege. She didn't have to go into films to become something of substance if that was the issue. She chould've gone into any other line of work. She chose to be a freeloader. Last time I checked, successful people can be from any field of work. Her relationship not working out was probably a blow for her but she's not ambitious. She's a true example of getting everything on a platter and not working a day in her life cuz she had the choice not to. I don't feel sorry her. Her not liking Aish for whatever reason is petty. Aish is self-made no matter what anybody has to say about her skillset. Shweta can't amount to half of what Aishwariya is.

That is probably why Shweta does not like her.

Originally posted by: pomegranate

I like Aish, and empathize with her but I honestly don't think this is a terrible situation. Yes, the bachchans ignore her but she probably does not care too much and if she does, I hope she takes comfort in the fact that she has it better than many other women. There are women who are ignored or straight up reviled by their in-laws, but they dont have the luxury or financial independance to get out of the situation.

It would be a mistake to refer to Aish as a bechari or tortured bahu, she has plenty of power and knows how to wield it- which is a good thing.

Like I said I like Aish too. She at the very least has a loyal husband and will always be a legend at the end of the day. Nobody can take that away from her. The point is if you deny the Bachchan's are a bit old school and regressive you are not being honest with yourself. It seems a lot of people in their family suffered somewhat due to this mentality.

Originally posted by: -PoisonIvy-

Like someone earlier asked - What did Ash see in these men ?
Both Salman and Ranbir seem to be cut from the same cloth. Both have major flaws , latter is toxic and emotionally abusive..former ke toh kya kehne . Still they get the prettiest and the most successful women falling for them. Guess theyr both smooth talkers.

Vicky seems like a stand up guy, though. Hope he doesn’t go the Ab jr way in a few years.

The best part about being in 2022 is that he can't. The bacchans get away because their fans are regressive. Vicky does it and his whole family will be shamed, he will be called a truck driver and so on and forth. He'll get his ass dragged on social media and even in interviews. Seeing how Kat stopped giving effs after her and RKs breakup and told him to let her speak, Ig she'll either walkout or make a scene. We saw the massive support Alia got just coz her husband "joked" about her weight and the support Ranveer gets for being there for his wife, atleast from the women, it won't fly if this sort of behaviour is repeated in the showbiz world with someone like Kat's stature.

But then i read this thread and realise that people think that a woman walking out of a bad relationship, having treatments done on her skin or being a bad actress gives her in-laws the excuse to emotionally be unavailable to her and her child, I go back to 1990s and man is this the wild time for being a woman!

lol looks like AB Sr has run afoul of the brigade. Poor guy. They will not rest in peace till they get Aish divorced from AB Jr. and break up his family. 😆

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Yup. Here it comes. The *values* argument.

Is your contention then that women like Sharmila Tagore, Indira Gandhi, Indira Hinduja, Shiney Abraham, Indra Nooyi were not strong?

What about the teachers, the doctors, the nurses, the not so elite athletes, the businesswomen who no one knows about? Are they weak for working after kids?

Hey, how about Amitabh and Ajay Devgan? How come they continued working after they had children? Were they weak men?

Of course you're going to say it's their choice . Strange how the choice somehow ends up with women quitting work and losing their financial independence.

But it's not misogyny. Not at all.

There's an old saying. You can only wake those who're actually sleeping, not those pretending to sleep. So go ahead and pretend. I'm not going waste my time arguing the point.

Those women made the choice to work and others made the choice to stay home. I didn't call anyone weak. The issue we're discussing here is just because Ash or Kajol chose to stay home it was because some man forced them. As if these women aren't capable of making their own choices. I guess women are that weak to you?

Financial independence? Give me a break. It's a blessing that people like Ash or Kajol made enough money that they can stay home. I know others aren't as fortunate yet there are many others who make far less money than actors who still made the choice to stay home because that's what they thought best so they made sacrifices. If you and your husband or wife decide to both work that is your decision. I'm sure you wouldn't want anyone judging your decision but many folks here feel comfortable labeling others who have done differently misogynistic.

If ABSr or Ajay wanted to stay home that's between them and their wives. I know men who have stayed home. But if a person is being honest they will say it is the female who is the nurturer.

You're just jumping to conclusions that because a women stays home its because they are some victim of a man. Cry me a river. Just maybe the husband and wife discussed this as a family.

Originally posted by: pomegranate

That is probably why Shweta does not like her.

Shweta has openly spoken about she’s not ambitious AT ALL (like we know that, woman 😆) and how she wants her children esp Navya, to make better choices & work well. Navya’s whole positioning as a social entrepreneur is so funny to me b/c wtf does she know about villagers & how to empower women?! Sorry I know I am sounding v bitter but the girl has no credentials for it. But atleast she’s doing something & not being a freeloader like her mother, which is something I suppose.