Regressive films - Page 7

Originally posted by: iBleedPink

@bold: aw! 💕 I like to believe that Veer Zara is the answer to all the movies where SRK and Preity were done wrong by their creative teams. He either dies or rejects her or cheats on her (KHNH, Dil Se and KANK respectively) 😆 For the love of God, even in VZ, they don't get together without him spending 22 long years in jail at her behest, but at least they do reunite at the end!

Here's another song where she's in tears with SRK making a gigantic sacrifice for your viewing pleasure. 🤗😆 At least he's just a figment of her imagination in it! (I love the song though, and I'm not kidding there, heh)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Y8xEfyXTs

Originally posted by: infinity101

I love this song ❤️. Though have never seen the movie but do have a vague idea that the lead pair had to spend some 20 or so years apart SRK seemed to have a hard luck getting the girls at the end in his movies during the 90s and early 2000s 😆

He gets the girl in DDLJ, Pardes, Yes Boss and DTPH. 😆 So it's okay. and KKHH too but I felt too awful for Aman there to celebrate Rahul and Anjali's reunion there.

in saying that, I've always preferred SRK movies from his earlier days like Darr, Bazigar, etc. and then Chak De, Swades, Main Hoon Na, etc. in between where the story isn't centered on Rahul romancing a girl.

Originally posted by: iBleedPink

He gets the girl in DDLJ, Pardes, Yes Boss and DTPH. 😆 So it's okay. and KKHH too but I felt too awful for Aman there to celebrate Rahul and Anjali's reunion there.

in saying that, I've always preferred SRK movies from his earlier days like Darr, Bazigar, etc. and then Chak De, Swades, Main Hoon Na, etc. in between where the story isn't centered on Rahul romancing a girl.

Originally posted by: infinity101

Omg I thought I was the only one who ALWAYS enjoyed watching SRK in those villainous and badass roles more than his lover boy ones, I mean I know he played a psycho/killer in movies like Darr, Baazigar etc but it was so easy to root for him because he was just phenomenal in them❤️ SRK during the 90s was something else, I fell in love with most of his characters because of the sheer brilliance he showed in his performances, and I am not even a fan. And he was as usual being his super adorable self in movies like Kabhi Haan kabhi Na, Yes boss, Pardes The only movies that I can think of where I didn't like it much when he got the girl were DTPH and KKHH😆

Count me in, too. I dislike SRK's Dharma films.

Originally posted by: pathaka

Just so that the dying lover can a “see her settled” ? Isn’t that regressive …?

I didn't see it as regressive because it appears to be a universal emotion dying people experience irrespective of gender, culture, and nature. Dying people always seem to want to see their loved ones settled or reconcile estranged loved ones. But perhaps it is regressive.

Originally posted by: iBleedPink

But I can say with 99.99% confidence that the story writer of this movie didn't even put half as much thought into it than you did while reasoning out every bit of it with such indisputable facts and logic.

LOL. It is my perception and interpretation of the movie. I'd say it is more emotional than logical and quite disputable because every person will interpret the movie differently.

And I did say, I may be biased. The movie also came right after my very first breakup - so I am extremely fond and defensive of this movie.

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But genuine question - can we be manipulated to experience an emotion we do not truly feel? I find it impossible. I think you can nudge two people who already have feelings for each other to enter a relationship. But if there is nothing there at all - it won't work at all.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

LOL. It is my perception and interpretation of the movie. I'd say it is more emotional than logical and quite disputable because every person will interpret the movie differently.

And I did say, I may be biased. The movie also came right after my very first breakup - so I am extremely fond and defensive of this movie.

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But genuine question - can we be manipulated to experience an emotion we do not truly feel? I find it impossible. I think you can nudge two people who already have feelings for each other to enter a relationship. But if there is nothing there at all - it won't work at all.

I was just pulling ya leg. 🤗 cuz you were knocking them out one by one with logical reasonings. My bad for missing the emotional aspect of it -- why else would anyone make sure they cover all the bases of this movie if they didn't feel so strongly about it, right? :)

I think we can definitely be manipulated into experiencing emotions - yes. People can literally manifest feelings and desires that didn't even exist in you just with their actions/words. What else would explain a girl just going about her day and suddenly a guy showing up in her life, them having a good time, and then the girl suddenly wanting all these things she never even knew she wanted?

It might not have been "manipulative" from his side but there are definitely people who can pick up on your weaknesses/insecurities and manifest desires in you that probably aren't even yours to begin with. Can we recognize them? Perhaps... if we're super self aware but it still happens to the best of us.

In saying that, I'm someone who believes in being swept off my feet, not knowing what hit me, and all that jazz, so I am not a fan of two people being nudged into a relationship and trying to make a relationship work like a business transaction devoid of passion/attraction. ☢️ But I'm sure it works for some people.

Kal Ho Naa Ho is corny now

Originally posted by: iBleedPink

You say that Nisha was "simply asked" if she'd be open to the idea of filling her sister's shoes and keeping the hamster wheel going without disrupting anyone else's lives, but was it really just a "simple" question?

We differ there cuz I don't buy that the family members and Rajesh showed any sign of care or consideration towards Nisha and her life by popping a question like that to her. One sister dies, so let's get the other one to replace her is such a loathsome idea. Personally speaking, that option should have never been on the table at all.

Another irksome part about it is the urgency to fill in the vacancy of Rajesh's wife and the baby's mother, and the assumption that a man can't look after himself or his baby when life throws him a curveball. It just couldn't wait cuz he was so depressed he started roaming around with a shawl on at all times. Forget the fact that they were all mourning, including Nisha who lost her sister and was much closer to her than anyone else. His mental health took a hit and his baby needed a new mommy, but her life and mental health didn't matter?

No matter how many times they asked her for reassurance and "consent" with the decision, they all did her wrong by even initiating such a preposterous "proposal" to begin with. Rajesh was okay with the prospect of Nisha sacrificing her life to keep his family going and so were the rest of the family members, and that is problematic enough on their end.

I agree

Plus she has seen Rajesh and her sisters marriage for years, and probably thought of him in the capacity of a sibling/brother…

The assumption that she will be ok with suddenly thinking of him as a husband, perhaps at the expense of her expectations out of married life (a lot of girls her age would expect romance, intimacy, kids of her own which is a question mark at best, if she marries Rajesh…)

And not letting Rajesh heal from his grief and immediately wanting to get him married ..:

The idea that u can fix grief by immediately partnering the grieving person with someone else…no…that someone else deserves a happy partner ..people are not rehab centres for the heartbroken folks

The elders were wrong here …

Originally posted by: iBleedPink

You say that Nisha was "simply asked" if she'd be open to the idea of filling her sister's shoes and keeping the hamster wheel going without disrupting anyone else's lives, but was it really just a "simple" question?

We differ there cuz I don't buy that the family members and Rajesh showed any sign of care or consideration towards Nisha and her life by popping a question like that to her. One sister dies, so let's get the other one to replace her is such a loathsome idea. Personally speaking, that option should have never been on the table at all.

Another irksome part about it is the urgency to fill in the vacancy of Rajesh's wife and the baby's mother, and the assumption that a man can't look after himself or his baby when life throws him a curveball. It just couldn't wait cuz he was so depressed he started roaming around with a shawl on at all times. Forget the fact that they were all mourning, including Nisha who lost her sister and was much closer to her than anyone else. His mental health took a hit and his baby needed a new mommy, but her life and mental health didn't matter?

No matter how many times they asked her for reassurance and "consent" with the decision, they all did her wrong by even initiating such a preposterous "proposal" to begin with. Rajesh was okay with the prospect of Nisha sacrificing her life to keep his family going and so were the rest of the family members, and that is problematic enough on their end.

Like I said, the film would've been truly regressive if the film went ahead with their stupid plan of Nisha and Rajesh's marriage. But they turned around THE MOMENT they realize the truth.

The idea of Nisha and Rajesh's marriage was brought up by Bindu (Pre & Rajesh's mami) and the chain reaction started from that point. At that time, the family was grieving with Pooja's loss and they were all worried for the baby. They only had one point that growing up without a mom is not easy, which is not completely wrong. (Ask any child without a mother in the world).

The baby was literally months old. The mother was gone. The family was devastated. It was pretty obviosu that Rajesh wanted to get married for the baby.

So No!, I don't think Nisha OR Rajesh's families were regressive people who wanted to get them married for society or whatever. Neither think Rajesh was a misogynistic guy. Mind you that Rajesh even realizes his mistake towards the end of the film, and says "Main hi samajh nahi paya". (that Prem and Nisha could be in love)

AT NO POINT in the film Nisha was forced or pressurized to get married. (unlike HDDCS, Namastey London etc) She had the option to say NO or clarify the confusion. The problem was that she herself realized it too late, and then decided to play mahan along side Prem, which was stupid.🤓

@bold

That's the whole point of the movie. The family realizes that there was no urgency in getting them married.👍🏼

In the end, Rajesh does end up bringing up the child on his own, supported by his family.... so the film was rather progressive in showing that, and the ultimate messaging of the film wasn't wrong. So, nothing regressive there per my opinion.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I didn't see it as regressive because it appears to be a universal emotion dying people experience irrespective of gender, culture, and nature. Dying people always seem to want to see their loved ones settled or reconcile estranged loved ones. But perhaps it is regressive.

I get that ,….but I think settled is not equal to marriage or partnership with someone else …settled is financial and emotional/ mental stability and some sort of emotional support…like friends or family u can rely on….

naina was a strong willed girl who had her entire family behind her (post aman fixed her family problems ) …rohit had her back without or without marriage ….he was always there for her …she was settled in many ways …perhaps not romantically involved but that has to happen organically …which it will if she has he chance to heal in due course

I didn’t think getting her married would be the fix for her grief …her and rohit could have continued to date, be engaged and committed to each other, process their grief for aman and in due course get married one they feel ok …it’s exactly the same

….except that she wasn’t getting married with unprocessed grief in her head on her wedding day …and rohit isn’t as conflicted in his head next to his weeping bride