Pyar paramatma tak pahunchne ki pehli seedi tho hai - Page 2

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Posted: 3 years ago
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"...Again, the kind of person I am, I do not believe in forgiving without the other person ever acknowledging the mistake. I feel like a fool if I am the one mad, I am the one forgiving and moving on and then the other person feels hunky dory, has no clue how they have wronged me, and continue to behave in the same way. Forgiving only gives me peace of mind, but doesn't do anything else. I generally need more than that, vindication too. I will not waste my energies on pursuing grudges, wishing for bad things to happen, no I won't do that. But, if there is no acknowledgement and realization, there is not going to be any forgiving toosmiley28 ...."

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mili -- just responding to this; so what you have posted above is the step to reconciliation. that is not forgiveness. there are huge differences between reconciliation and forgiveness. they are not the same but people confuse them because they are quite close. so like I mentioned in my ealier post, forgiveness simply means letting go of the past, the anger, the hurt and pain. so lets clear up the misconceptions:

-- it does not require anything from the other person

-- it dot not mean what the other person did was acceptable or right

-- it does not mean that your feelings of hurt and anger are no longer valid

-- it does not mean that you have to have a relationship with the other person.

shockingly I learned all of this from a kdrama discussion on another forum. if anyone ever says watching dramas and participating in forums is a waste of time, I would disagree -- I grew so much emotionally through these conversations on that drama and platform. it has stayed with me.

so to give a bit of context, I too have struggled with forgiveness. there are some toxic relatives in my family and lots of family politics and drama. I won't get into the details but the conflicts went on for years. so much so that the bridges have been broken.

for me, I struggled with forgiveness because I didn't want these people in my life where they keep hurting us and neither was I willing to accept that these people were okay in their actions. given our kinship ties, it was inevitable that we would see these people at various functions. it was not like we can just ignore them.

so it was such a game changer for me to learn about the differences in forgiveness vs reconciliation. I would highly recommend you do so well -- there are really enlightening as well as heartbreaking articles/blogs on this topic. so understanding forgiveness made a huge difference. I was able to stop obsessing about the past and just move on.

in some instances, there was reconciliation between the relatives -- whether it was direct acknowledgement or indirect (through actions, they were trying to show). with some, there was no reconciliation at all and I doubt it will ever happen. however, we as a family have forgiven them in the sense that we are no longer holding on to the anger or the pain and the past. it took an enormous amount of prayer -- I don't believe forgiveness is possible from a human heart without divine intercession.

however, it does not mean we have forgotten the past or the humiliations or the insults or the wrongs. it just means that past no longer has this control over us.

and when I see these relatives, I can have a civil conversation and I do wish them well. with some, there is a genuine tie even though it is not like how it was before. with others, I just have no interest of having a real relationship and civility is as far as it will go.

so yea, I struggle with watching these ITV dramas with mahaan FLs who pretend like none of it matters. I cannot relate to that and will likely never will. 🤷

Edited by mango.falooda - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago
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In general I don't believe in pure love without conditions and expectations except maybe parents love (restricted to the period of conception to age 5). But that is purely about my affinity or capacity for love. I don't think it's applicable to others.

Every person is different and so is the way they feel deep emotions, and also their way of expressing them.


In ITV we're shown that only FL is capable of selfless, conditionless love. I don't mind that, but i hope they'd stop showing their FLs take rebuke and insult in name of love whether it's from partner or parents/in-laws or children.


I can't handle love without boundaries (in real life), fiction me thik hai, i can watch and forget, i definitely do not look to imbibe these characters.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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@mili and @mango.falooda

We all have our positives & negatives and it's not because you are pessimistic that you are not able to have a similar thought. It's just that we all have our own set of experiences and have different outlook to life. I can understand what you both are trying to say. Because, that's how a normal human will respond. At the same time, I can also understand Imlie, because of the way I have started viewing life in the past 2years. To be precise, ever since COVID started. People all over the world struggling to save their lives and some other breaking down watching their dear ones suddenly disappering without being able to say a final word, triggered me to think about the purpose of our lives and prompted me to think of our soul - the only element that remains even after we leave this world. So, since then, everything, everyone or every situation I engage with has also this perspective in mind. Now, any circumstances arise, at the end, what matters me most is my peace of mind and a cleansed soul. For that, if I have to let go off a hurt and keep aside my ego, I will do it. So, I can understand Imlie and her actions to some extent. It's just that her constant mahaanta was what was getting to my nerves. Because, like Imlie, I can't go back to the person who keep hurting me constantly (unless the person is so unavoidable) and be at their service, as if nothing happened. For courtesy sake I might say a hi or may even have a superficial talk. As falooda has put it out, we are human beings and so, at some point of time we are bound to make mistakes. We can't be perfect everytime. But I also accept that aisa karne mein mann ko shanthi milthi hai tho, there is no wrong in Imlie's way too. At the end it's the person's decision. And what I mainly meant with my post is that, since it's shown that she has this spiritual perspective of love, I can now see her mahaantas as her subconscious urge to not taint her soul which belongs to the Paramatma. Uske aage bolega tho, it will turn to be another long essay. So, stopping it here.😆

Edited by Enlightened21 - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago
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What a beautiful write up. And i concur with each n every word. Its very rare to come across such people in real life n if u do come across them we tend to think them pretentious or just too good to be true. Therefore even in screen we get irritated by their acts. We cannot think like them. Because we have human frailties. Currently i had some really bad personal experiences in life which has taught me to believe in God n God’s power. In love. So I am trying to love n have faith in life n in my relations. I might not be Imlie in her POV but do aspire to view life like her. With unfailing faith n optimism. To cry n laugh with her whole heart.

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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: Wanderbug

What a beautiful write up. And i concur with each n every word. Its very rare to come across such people in real life n if u do come across them we tend to think them pretentious or just too good to be true. Therefore even in screen we get irritated by their acts. We cannot think like them. Because we have human frailties. Currently i had some really bad personal experiences in life which has taught me to believe in God n God’s power. In love. So I am trying to love n have faith in life n in my relations. I might not be Imlie in her POV but do aspire to view life like her. With unfailing faith n optimism. To cry n laugh with her whole heart.

Sorry for the late reply WB.

Bold - Every experience we encounter in our life has some purpose. We will have something to learn from it. In our youth days, we might ignore it all. But as we mature in age, our thought processes change and we start thinking differently. And if it's happening under the influence of spiritual reformations that guide us to the Supreme power, then nothing can be more beautiful than it. Evolving each day to be a better person than we were yesterday makes us lot more content. Happy to hear that you too are trying to be in the same path. 😊

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