Vivek - Absurd that political parties in Kashmir are blaming my film - Page 3

Originally posted by: CriticusExpert

Well Amen...just read this after my long on the soap box diatribe...could not have said it better...

Better? did you mean worse? 😂

Yeah, those have been rather longish diatribes. Meandered all over and still made no sense. 😂

Btw, when did agnihotri say he was a messiah? Can you guys back those wild claims with reference? 😉😉😉

As far as some of us our concerned, he made a movie that should have been made years earlier. Instead we had the silly kjo movies with that silly actor who keeps hamming. You ask me, we should thank agnihotri for it.😉

And still no condemnation of the political parties. Too much "taqleef" to criticise them? 😂

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

Better? did you mean worse? 😂

Yeah, those have been rather longish diatribes. Meandered all over and still made no sense. 😂

Btw, when did agnihotri say he was a messiah? Can you guys back those wild claims with reference? 😉😉😉

As far as some of us our concerned, he made a movie that should have been made years earlier. Instead we had the silly kjo movies with that silly actor who keeps hamming. You ask me, we should thank agnihotri for it.😉

And still no condemnation of the political parties. Too much "taqleef" to criticise them? 😂

*You* said he was the victim and that he was standing for the victims. Hence the use of the word messiah. Agnihotri is not the victim. He is the movie maker.

The responses are not about what the jihadi did. It's about Agnihotri's claim. He used the original tragedy and is trying to milk the current one.

I do agree with you the movie should've been made years earlier. Instead, the tragedy got ignored on purpose. When supposedly decent turn their eyes from such horror, charlatans will step in.

Originally posted by: CriticusExpert

Agniotri and people like him are always useless because they simply poke at an old wound, ripping open the crust that is slowly forming, they expose the gaping holes and make it bleed and hurt again BUT they offer no salve or solution...they just want to see the hemorrhage...Sorry I dislike people like this...a lot, they are almost as bad as the villains, sometimes worse because they victimize the suffering for a second time and if those victims had started to gain any dignity or strength, they are left destitute again...usually you do not get up from the battle ground a second time...

I disagree vehemently. The victims deserve to have their story told. Would you disagree with movies on holocaust, the black slave trade, British oppression of India, the caste system, female feticide?

LMAO! The blame always lies on someone else.

Which film or filmmaker should be blamed for the 90s genocide and exodus? Or for the religious hate crimes against Kashmiri Hindus that actually date centuries back because the religious terrorism isn't a 2021 thing.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

*You* said he was the victim and that he was standing for the victims. Hence the use of the word messiah. Agnihotri is not the victim. He is the movie maker.

The responses are not about what the jihadi did. It's about Agnihotri's claim. He used the original tragedy and is trying to milk the current one.

I do agree with you the movie should've been made years earlier. Instead, the tragedy got ignored on purpose. When supposedly decent turn their eyes from such horror, charlatans will step in.

Can we have some comprehension? I said he was on the side of the KP victims, not that he was the victim himself. Please get the difference!

Now what claim are you talking about? That the jihad parties are blaming him? Why shouldn't he do that? Doesn't he have the right to point out their shamelessness and hypocrisy? The guy is being blamed, why shouldn't he speak?

But why so cynical about motives? He is reported to have said all the profits will be given to KP charities, though there are many others who have partnered in producing the film. But even if he does not, by now, he has raked in almost everything the movie will collect. No reason for him to do any PR any more. He would ideally be on to his next project. Better returns for him to invest the millions, you see if he wants to keep it 😊

Originally posted by: Shaitan-Haiwan

I’ve literally never heard this?

2 degrees of separation of linking everything to how Shahrukh Khan is a victim

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

Can we have some comprehension? I said he was on the side of the KP victims, not that he was the victim himself. Please get the difference!

Now what claim are you talking about? That the jihad parties are blaming him? Why shouldn't he do that? Doesn't he have the right to point out their shamelessness and hypocrisy? The guy is being blamed, why shouldn't he speak?

But why so cynical about motives? He is reported to have said all the profits will be given to KP charities, though there are many others who have partnered in producing the film. But even if he does not, by now, he has raked in almost everything the movie will collect. No reason for him to do any PR any more. He would ideally be on to his next project. Better returns for him to invest the millions, you see if he wants to keep it 😊

You actually said we were blaming the victim. I quoted the post before. The only one being blamed (your word) was Agnihotri. He was and is not the victim. He made a movie on the actual victims.

Who said he didn't have a right to speak? But like anyone else in the public sphere, he will also be trolled when others see something funky.

Those who actually want to stand with victims will stand with them. Those who are interested in the politics of victimhood will stand with the politicians. As simple as that.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

A lot of KPs will say it never happened? Anything goes, right?😂

Its like blaming reporters for reporting on the nazi holocaust.... because that might have led to some nazis getting upset. 😂 Unfortunately, some desis will deny even clearly established facts like the KP genocide to burnish their phony secular credentials. What to say 😉

its really weird with desis and their political spectrum.. what is considered left/right wing in rest of the world kinda reverses in India..

people rest of the world are now revolting against colonialism..but imagine criticising hundreds of years of colonialism in India, self proclaimed left wing people will be defending being colonised..

BirdieNumNum

Better? did you mean worse? 😂

Yeah, those have been rather longish diatribes. Meandered all over and still made no sense. 😂

Btw, when did agnihotri say he was a messiah? Can you guys back those wild claims with reference? 😉😉😉

As far as some of us our concerned, he made a movie that should have been made years earlier. Instead we had the silly kjo movies with that silly actor who keeps hamming. You ask me, we should thank agnihotri for it.😉

And still no condemnation of the political parties. Too much "taqleef" to criticise them? 😂

had to quote this way because some people hide when bested

Well Alas! how am I to be blamed if you cannot follow a meandering path, sometimes they lead you to Ithaca...but never mind, skip this, it;s a challenge for the likes of you...

What the heck does Kjo have to do with any of this? That man is made to sound more powerful than a god and is like parshley...talk about meanderings...

back to topic...I have my opinion and democratically thank GOD you have yours... I invite you to also back your claims with references, in the mean time I stand by my original and unchanging opinion: People like VA are vultures that feed on victims carcasses and like all vultures they regurgitate corrosive toxicity, that helps no one but them selves.

The ball was dropped by those who should have done "something" long long ago and by those who buried their heads in the sand...you see it is very easy to watch a movie in an air conditioned theather and then as you step out, you say a few lauding words for the film that was shown regardles of how accurate it is, because you will not bother with research, VA did it for you and if he says it the it must be true...right? (meanderism and all that is tedious), then you say some words of symphaty for the supposed victims you saw (who are by the way actors who get well paid) and then you move along...woot! you did your part to support the victims of GENOCIDE, however social warrior that you are you will enter a gossip social media site and argue in favor of a non issue: because no one here (not even the very confused) is saying that 1. the events did not take place 2. all agree, that it was evil. What I disagree with and what I understand of others "meanderings" IS that: The victims have received NO HELP and the movie has acomplished only benefits and a platform for a chronic hate spewing rebel rouser, who does not give a tiny rat's a rse, for any victims or for truth... Peace...

Sorry..I cannot not gift you little laughing emoji's ...since I do not find Genocide and exploitation funny...in fact I do not even find ignorance funny, because it is a component of evil...

Originally posted by: CriticusExpert

BirdieNumNum

Better? did you mean worse? 😂

Yeah, those have been rather longish diatribes. Meandered all over and still made no sense. 😂

Btw, when did agnihotri say he was a messiah? Can you guys back those wild claims with reference? 😉😉😉

As far as some of us our concerned, he made a movie that should have been made years earlier. Instead we had the silly kjo movies with that silly actor who keeps hamming. You ask me, we should thank agnihotri for it.😉

And still no condemnation of the political parties. Too much "taqleef" to criticise them? 😂

had to quote this way because some people hide when bested

Well Alas! how am I to be blamed if you cannot follow a meandering path, sometimes they lead you to Ithaca...but never mind, skip this, it;s a challenge for the likes of you...

What the heck does Kjo have to do with any of this? That man is made to sound more powerful than a god and is like parshley...talk about meanderings...

back to topic...I have my opinion and democratically thank GOD you have yours... I invite you to also back your claims with references, in the mean time I stand by my original and unchanging opinion: People like VA are vultures that feed on victims carcasses and like all vultures they regurgitate corrosive toxicity, that helps no one but them selves.

The ball was dropped by those who should have done "something" long long ago and by those who buried their heads in the sand...you see it is very easy to watch a movie in an air conditioned theather and then as you step out, you say a few lauding words for the film that was shown regardles of how accurate it is, because you will not bother with research, VA did it for you and if he says it the it must be true...right? (meanderism and all that is tedious), then you say some words of symphaty for the supposed victims you saw (who are by the way actors who get well paid) and then you move along...woot! you did your part to support the victims of GENOCIDE, however social warrior that you are you will enter a gossip social media site and argue in favor of a non issue: because no one here (not even the very confused) is saying that 1. the events did not take place 2. all agree, that it was evil. What I disagree with and what I understand of others "meanderings" IS that: The victims have received NO HELP and the movie has acomplished only benefits and a platform for a chronic hate spewing rebel rouser, who does not give a tiny rat's a rse, for any victims or for truth... Peace...

Sorry..I cannot not gift you little laughing emoji's ...since I do not find Genocide and exploitation funny...in fact I do not even find ignorance funny, because it is a component of evil...

lol my bad, but I can never be bothered reading nonsense. Hope you don't mind?😉 See, you really shouldn't try so hard to impress. It messes up the whole flow and the logic. Now if you need other tips on how to improve on the writing, am here to help😆

coming back to topic, it's the state's responsibility to provide help, and for not the film makers and the audience to do so. The audience can only patronize films that are worth watching, and by doing so encourage other films of a similar variety. In this case, by all historical accounts, VA's accounts accurately reflect the evil that was perpetrated on the KPs by the kashmiri islamists. That's the only thing a film maker like him can really do- highlight events and present a certain point of view. It's not his role to get justice for them. In fact he cant. He was not elected to, and neither was he appointed to. You dont want vigilantes carrying out justice themselves, do you? Ditto for the audience. The audience can at best only organize and protest and vote. So if you are arguing for KP victim rights, maybe you should take that up with the politicians... and stop supporting the sickular parties if you've been doing that. That would however be another debate.

as for what VA got out of this movie, how about getting your priorities right? We should be thankful to him for telling the story in the first place, and not be upset that he did well. Think of the victims who lost their lives or did not have anyone giving them their dues. Their suffering is all that should count, nothing else. Could you do that?👍🏼