Virat : The Blindfold of Fear, Guilt, & Everything in Between Updated - Page 7

Virat as a character needs some "thehrav".

CVs lose it there.

Either they lift him up as it is from KD or they do something of their own with V.

Yeh khichdi is killing the entire essence.

And NB is a decent actor. He can really pull it off well if the makers spend more time on Virat.

Virat as a character is in absolute jeopardy and needs immediate attention.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

The problem is changing the way character was written in the original. They can’t dare to show rono on national television. He is very real. They made virat softer who doesn’t suit the depth of emotions shown in the writing. Actually KD experts here also say emon is not the one written in original. So the characters are changed a bit and sometimes the plot and dialogues are retained from the original. This itself is enough for the disconnect. Either be true to the story and characters or change the story when you change the characters. But they falter in balancing the Both. That’s my conclusion 😅

Tonning down of Sai worked till the anniversary whereas to make Virat better version of Ronno they've turned him ridiculous. Ronno wasn't spineless per se, he'd stand up where when he feels like unlike Virat who's shown bheegi billi most of the time when it concerns Sai but became sher for Shruti. It's not like Virat can't but they don't make him stand up for Sai god knows why.

Originally posted by: daydreamers

Long time no see.

Hum aa gaye, pleej see 😂😂😂

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me 😍

With you on that one. But again there is an extension to my thoughts wrt Virat.

Sai is clear and simple. No complexities that ways. So nothing I have there to add.

I agree to the fact that Virat had accepted Sai wholeheartedly long back and he functions with the same thought process. (I tried to find an old post of mine, which where pretty much on similar lines. Couldn’t find it. Will look it up and share once I find it). And that is why he was most disappointed with Sai during Shruti track. Because he was banking on her to stay by his side, while giving her all the crap. Thanks for highlighting the honour vs lie stakes. That gives me more understanding of that track.

However, when I look at him in the long run, is where the problem arises. Like I said I have the same opinion about Virat holding Sai as one unit same as him. But he has been functioning this way, and taking her for granted.

1. It's only his view, not Sai's - Now while he has accepted and given Sai all rights as a wife, his actions at times are dubious, which give out wrong messaging both to Sai & P. This would have not been the case had he told Sai where he is coming from. Their relationship status lacked clarity. And Virat knew that fact. So while he has a certain fact clear in his mind, he had to make the same clear to Sai. Sai that ways is very mature. Once she knew her territory, she would have understood Virat's actions without him spelling it out. So basically Virat is functioning at a single unit with Sai, but that is limited to his mind. He had failed to express that to Sai. Hence, this whole fact is more a fiction of his mind as he never took Sai into confidence. When 2 people form a team, they both need to be aware of that fact. Here it was only Virat who made the team and the rules. Sai had no clue.

2. Taking Sai for granted - While I understand that here he went by stakes. But then again, it is not fair from a spouse's POV to take them for granted always. That's why Sai had said she found him confusing. He is too good at times and very mean at the other. And the latter are not a rare. Between a husband and wife there are times that you inaudibly stand by each other in public. one may direct their anger the spouse as they are unable to do so with the person responsible. At times times vent out frustration and mood swings. But he does that way too much with her and takes her for granted. And for Sai who has no insight in his feelings is bound to be confused to see a calm composed Virat for family, losing it out on her. She is bound to MU. He never aligned her with his mindset.

I don't know whether I would compare P and SH case. Sai being blamed for V's affair with SH can be credited to their non existent conjugal relationship. But P was in his life before Sai. Hence, the situation gets reversed. And here the claim and the reality (technically) stands valid that P was the reason why Sairat relationship was rocky.

While saving P's honor, I always feel that he has done wrong to his brother. Samrat would probably not have been this much into P if V had come clean. Samrat had a right to know. Virat here valued P's repo, than Samrat's life. He has treated P's advances way too lightly.

Loved your analysis. This is perfect and your post is wonderful. The truth is people only see from one side and ignore the other specially if it's from Virat's point of view. People forget that there are two sides in a coin and we should consider both the sides.

Virat never sidelined Sai even though he wasn't in love with her. He always protected and fought for her. But, again sadly all these things are forgotten. He always considered Sai as his own and therefore he commands and reprimands her in public. But, doesn't behave the same way with Pakhi.

Originally posted by: daydreamers

Virat as a character needs some "thehrav".

CVs lose it there.

Either they lift him up as it is from KD or they do something of their own with V.

Yeh khichdi is killing the entire essence.

And NB is a decent actor. He can really pull it off well if the makers spend more time on Virat.

Virat as a character is in absolute jeopardy and needs immediate attention.

I agree .. today the way virat behaved .. Rono would not have . He always was a police officer . Nobody could take him lightly on that ..

Thanks for replying Sherry. And for taking my comments in the right spirit. I approach Virat, not as someone who I like but how he is written from the beginning. His methods appear wrong and go wrong but his will to do the right thing motivates his ations. Thats how I see Virat. He takes too many things into consideration while making a decision. Only with Sai, when his personal emotions are involved he behaves impulsively. So if I appear to 'defend' him, thats not my intention. I see him from top view and try to analyze him from the viewpoint of his motivatation to do the right thing. Whether it is right or wrong is subject to interpretation. For example: The leeway he gives to Pakhi and not expose in front of Samrat. He is doing with a good intention, but yes Samrat is left in the dark. When is the right time to expose her? For Virat, it seems not yet :D.

Originally posted by: sherry_24

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me 😍

With you on that one. But again there is an extension to my thoughts wrt Virat.

Sai is clear and simple. No complexities that ways. So nothing I have there to add.

Yes. I agree. Her intentions are right and she approaches them headon. Her approach leaves bad taste to many around her, but it clarifies things fast for the consequences to be dealt later. She deals like a judge in the court.

I agree to the fact that Virat had accepted Sai wholeheartedly long back and he functions with the same thought process. (I tried to find an old post of mine, which where pretty much on similar lines. Couldn’t find it. Will look it up and share once I find it). And that is why he was most disappointed with Sai during Shruti track. Because he was banking on her to stay by his side, while giving her all the crap. Thanks for highlighting the honour vs lie stakes. That gives me more understanding of that track.

However, when I look at him in the long run, is where the problem arises. Like I said I have the same opinion about Virat holding Sai as one unit same as him. But he has been functioning this way, and taking her for granted.

Virat takes her for granted. That is true. If they take future KD tracks, his behavior stems from taking for granted. He needs big jolt to see that Sai is his priority. time and again.

1. It's only his view, not Sai's - Now while he has accepted and given Sai all rights as a wife, his actions at times are dubious, which give out wrong messaging both to Sai & P. This would have not been the case had he told Sai where he is coming from. Their relationship status lacked clarity. And Virat knew that fact. So while he has a certain fact clear in his mind, he had to make the same clear to Sai. Sai that ways is very mature. Once she knew her territory, she would have understood Virat's actions without him spelling it out. So basically Virat is functioning at a single unit with Sai, but that is limited to his mind. He had failed to express that to Sai. Hence, this whole fact is more a fiction of his mind as he never took Sai into confidence. When 2 people form a team, they both need to be aware of that fact. Here it was only Virat who made the team and the rules. Sai had no clue.

@blue bold. Virat thinks till recently Sai is not mature enough. Even in cafe meeting when Pakhi asks whether everything is right between him and Sai. He asks her not to compare samrakhi's relationship with his and Sai's and points out the Sai is bachchi. He thinks Sai is adamantly stuck on the vaada.

@red bold. The only reason for this is that he wants Sai to accept him despite all this. He has to be her choice. He is adamant on that till the end. He doesnt want to say the magical words and obligate her. Thats what he tells Sunny in the hospital post AJ kand. It is underlying emotion that runs latently in their relationship that Virat wants Sai to confess to him. Because he is the one who set the conditions and because he is in love now, he cant make them null and void. It is not fair right? He cant have his way all the time.

@green bold: That is the misfortune and the drama that drives the plot. His motivation for not revealing has pushed Sai to the backfoot. Whenever he tried to be explicit through actions, like in anniversary she misunderstood him. Sai wants clear words from him, just like he spoke about commitment. But he will not say that because it is unfair according to him.

2. Taking Sai for granted - While I understand that here he went by stakes. But then again, it is not fair from a spouse's POV to take them for granted always. That's why Sai had said she found him confusing. He is too good at times and very mean at the other. And the latter are not a rare. Between a husband and wife there are times that you inaudibly stand by each other in public. one may direct their anger the spouse as they are unable to do so with the person responsible. At times times vent out frustration and mood swings. But he does that way too much with her and takes her for granted. And for Sai who has no insight in his feelings is bound to be confused to see a calm composed Virat for family, losing it out on her. She is bound to MU. He never aligned her with his mindset.

@bold: This I totally agree. When he is high and Sai is responding to him favorably, he expects the same reaction in all settings. For example in MiMO track, he was flying high on Sai's friendship and forgot that it is a wife who is reacting to the situation. He was blind to her emotions!! For once, he did not think that she is getting fried in jealousy. You know why? Virat doesnt have confidence that Sai will ever love him. And he believed it completely after MiMo track. He is stuck in limbo till something big happens that shakes him up.

Same with Sai, for the longest time she did not believe that Virat could ever love her. After anniversary kaand, her monologue in front of the mirror shows her inner feelings. She was terrified that day that he will make final decision, which is to live with Pakhi or leave for transfer. Not even for a second she considers that Virat will stay for her, atleast till her education is finished. They both have low confidence when it comes to each other, that the other person considers them good enough for love.

I don't know whether I would compare P and SH case. Sai being blamed for V's affair with SH can be credited to their non existent conjugal relationship. But P was in his life before Sai. Hence, the situation gets reversed. And here the claim and the reality (technically) stands valid that P was the reason why Sairat relationship was rocky.

Yes Pakhi was there in her head till MiMo track. And Virat never clarified it to her in the way she wanted. But if you observe, she was already out of her mind by the Diwali night. MiMo track removed Pakhi altogether. But Sai's insecurity that Virat will never find her as his partner is still there. Thats why when Pakhi implanted the third person doubt in her mind during Diwali night, she fell right into the trap. She looked Virat from that tainted glass. Virat's lies around Sruthi, gave the needed ammunition to her doubts. The writers failed here to highlight this scene where Pakhi implants the doubt. They should have shown it multiple times to the audience so it would have come across as the main contention. Ayesha in one of the SBS interviews, clearly says it is pakhi's words that made her behave like that with Virat. Pakhi was the reason till now, and going forward also if they have any conflicts. Sruthi was just the catalyst.

While saving P's honor, I always feel that he has done wrong to his brother. Samrat would probably not have been this much into P if V had come clean. Samrat had a right to know. Virat here valued P's repo, than Samrat's life. He has treated P's advances way too lightly.

This is what I said in the beginning. Virat gave too much leeway to her, only for one reason that she did not get the chance to move on. In cafe meet up, he mentions it again and again that he understands why she is stuck and pleads her to give Samrat another chance. After cafe kaand, I think he is cut off completely. Only after fake pregnancy, he will see to what extent she can go. This the reason I believe, Vankar will not skip this track. It is high point.

Originally posted by: Moor278

There's a significant scene in the movie where Simba looks at his reflection and sees Mufasa. It's the subtle yet powerful realisation that he is the Lion, he is the King, and his Pride needs him.

Who makes him realise this?

Nala, Rafiki, Mufasa.

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Read your analysis again and these lines struck a different chord.

I agree with you that Sai is unidimensional character... So her growth has been easy to track and understand. She is straightforward, honest, very clear headed and with a strong moral and ethical compass.

V on the other hand is grey character... very real...

The lines above detailed for me how V has changed over the years he met Sai and how that has contributed to his growth.

V is the lion and he needs to lead his pride. And the three characters who make him realise it are Nala, Rafiki and Mufasa.

For obvious reasons, Sai is Nala.

His love interest and his muse, his motive to change for better. And just like Nala pushes Simba, Sai pushes V towards a more honest, truthful approach to tackle the problem.

Just like Nala, Sai too is a character who is unafraid to take risks. And she stands by V when needed... Holding the fort in his absence. ❤️

Rafiki is KJ... V ka moral compass. It's a bit strange that V looks up to KJ more than he does Ninad.... Also maybe because he recognises the behavioural attributes of Ninad and when compared to KJ, finds KJ better. This too has come from Sai and that anniversary party is the proof that V changed forever.

He had recognised how crudely Ninad treats Ash but never had the guts until Sai came along. That's her direct contribution to this... But this indirectly also stemmed from KJ and how he never remarried for the sake of Sai. So if he can remain alone for his whole life for his daughter, Ninad should be better behaved to Ash na...

KJ also is his guru and mentor, exactly like Rafiki. He answers the queries indirectly forcing Simba to look for answers within himself. Exactly what a guru should do... A guru can only guide, introspection has to come from you. That's why V too speaks to KJ on and off like Sai does. He has never done that with anyone, certainly not Ninad... And even though KJ cannot reply back .. unburdening himself with all that he feels, a clear head appears.

The third and obvious character is BK as Mufasa.

Not because she is related but she is the trigger for Simbas growth. Simba looks up to Mufasa... Wants to be like him. V does that too. Has immense respect for BK.

But the similarity in the movie ends here for this character.

In ghum, BK has an extended role, so obviously her idiosyncracies and her mindset is the reason for all that happens in the show and in their lives.

How have all three contributed to V's growth???

KJ as I said gave him the moral compass. There is an initial dialogue (cannot quote exactly) about what's the difference between an officer and a criminal when both pick up arms. And KJ explains that the officer picks it up for saving lives while the criminal does it for harming.

That gives V the guts to take charge... Protect his tribe with harsher means when need be.

Pushing Scar off the cliff.

BK and her policies and Sai's presence and opposition to them is the another reason for his growth.

I firmly believe that had V not met Sai, BK would have got a Pakhi version of wife for V. Who would be happy to stay at home and shower her husband with love.

Everyone would have been happy and V would have never even thought or realised the importance of what a career means to an independent woman.

All the ensuing drama of denying food, following the strict rule book of the house... Even Ninad ka behaviour to Ash ... Would have remained as it is... Status quo and no one would lift a finger.

Devi Shivani would have remained single and alone.

All this changed because he met Sai... And Sai met BK... A worthy opponent. Two ends of same stick.

Right from her admission to her actions to patchup DevKit, to her opposition to those regressive mindsets, to patching NiNi... All this has contributed to V's growth. All this has opened his eyes to how wrong his family and BKs policies are.

Simba idolised Mufasa. V does too... But because of Nala/Sai he also recognises that not everything is white or black... Mufasa should not have trusted Scar so much.. our idols fail too... So while BK may be right in her intentions, her approach is wrong and that is what V is trying to change. A step at a time...

Sai coming into his life has made him more open to ideas, has a new outlook and he now subconsciously notices the difference between the obvious and the hidden.

Those are his layers that Sai is either peeling off or patching up... But yes... Building him up to be a great individual.

In the end, it is Simba who will lead but not without Nala by his side, Rafiki standing in the shadows ready to emerge when need be and with the blessings of Mufasa....

Oh... Typing all this made me realise how much I love Lion King 😊😊😊

P.S. all this is fine but the current writers are doing a bad job of V... I hope they get their groove back soon.

Very interesting!👍🏼

I quite liked your comparison with The Lion King regarding all the things that influenced Virat in his life and in his growth...as well as what will help him be a better king.

Here are my two cents...

I completely agree on Sai's contribution towards Virat's growth. If it had not been for Sai, situations at CN would have remained status quo. Virat would not have grown.

I think V derives his moral compass from a variety of people around him - foremost Nagesh Chavan, who seems to have been a man of integrity & compassion, his mother, possibly even Samrat, his own experiences from college (Sada) and during his training(KJ)...and probably BK too whom he believes kept the family united. As far as I have seen, Virat consults KJs photo only when it is related to Sai (correct me if I am wrong). So maybe Rafiki is the combination of all these people? OR perhaps could be KJ as you say..or maybe Sai whose morals trace back to KJ ultimately?😊

//Simba idolised Mufasa. V does too... But because of Nala/Sai he also recognises that not everything is white or black... Mufasa should not have trusted Scar so much.. our idols fail too... So while BK may be right in her intentions, her approach is wrong and that is what V is trying to change. A step at a time... //

I liked the above comparison.😊

Only one thing I am still debating. Virat may be a lion, but is he the Lion King who will lead his pride one day? My view is that Virat is not a leader. He is the protector, the provider, the pacifier and also a follower. He maybe the loyal, unbending Head Knight or Commander who protects his pride from enemies selflessly but swears his oath to a more powerful, strong leader figure.

Let me know what you feel. 😊

PS : Had to use wikipedias help to refresh the name of the characters. The Lion King is love.❤️

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Very interesting!👍🏼

I quite liked your comparison with The Lion King regarding all the things that influenced Virat in his life and in his growth...as well as what will help him be a better king.

Here are my two cents...

I completely agree on Sai's contribution towards Virat's growth. If it had not been for Sai, situations at CN would have remained status quo. Virat would not have grown.

I think V derives his moral compass from a variety of people around him - foremost Nagesh Chavan, who seems to have been a man of integrity & compassion, his mother, possibly even Samrat, his own experiences from college (Sada) and during his training(KJ)...and probably BK too whom he believes kept the family united. As far as I have seen, Virat consults KJs photo only when it is related to Sai (correct me if I am wrong). So maybe Rafiki is the combination of all these people? OR perhaps could be KJ as you say..or maybe Sai whose morals trace back to KJ ultimately?😊

//Simba idolised Mufasa. V does too... But because of Nala/Sai he also recognises that not everything is white or black... Mufasa should not have trusted Scar so much.. our idols fail too... So while BK may be right in her intentions, her approach is wrong and that is what V is trying to change. A step at a time... //

I liked the above comparison.😊

Only one thing I am still debating. Virat may be a lion, but is he the Lion King who will lead his pride one day? My view is that Virat is not a leader. He is the protector, the provider, the pacifier and also a follower. He maybe the loyal, unbending Head Knight or Commander who protects his pride from enemies selflessly but swears his oath to a more powerful, strong leader figure.

Let me know what you feel. 😊

PS : Had to use wikipedias help to refresh the name of the characters. The Lion King is love.❤️

@bold Wow, I agree to some extent. He might be a leader when it comes to his profession, but in personal life, he is a learner! which is not bad actually...

But I do think he has a mind of his own, defined by his 'rules'. Why else he would go to such an extent even though he knows he messes up with Sai? Where does that conviction come from. That dare devil attitude to continue what he believes in when the entire city is burning? Will a follower be like this? He doesnt surrender to Sai also. That makes me think he choses when he should be leader and when to be follower. No?

I think V derives his moral compass from a variety of people around him - foremost Nagesh Chavan, who seems to have been a man of integrity & compassion, his mother, possibly even Samrat, his own experiences from college (Sada) and during his training(KJ)...and probably BK too whom he believes kept the family united. As far as I have seen, Virat consults KJs photo only when it is related to Sai (correct me if I am wrong). So maybe Rafiki is the combination of all these people? OR perhaps could be KJ as you say..or maybe Sai whose morals trace back to KJ ultimately?

Maybe... I cant say...

NC seems like a good person but we havent seen his interactions... so while he is definitely revered... I dont think V looks up to him for guidance. Its more like idolizing.

While he loves Ash... she is again too weak a character to be guiding him properly. Though he takes her advice... but mostly when it pertains to Sai and I feel that too is because she knows about his love for Sai.

Same goes with Sunny and Samrat.

While he does talk to KJ when it is about Sai... when KJ was alive it was more about philosophical discussions and that's where I feel he gives a higher moral ground to KJ than Ninad.

See, V took Ninad's guidance when he was conflicted about marrying Sai but then the way Ninad disowned him, made V take a step back. That hurt him more than anything else. If I remember correctly, he even says to Sunny that I was hoping Baba would support me.

And this is where KJ turns to be morally upright.

I dont know... totally my interpretation.

Daydreamers, Sadhika and Sherry can come in here.

My view is that Virat is not a leader.

Agree to this to some degree.... he is not a leader on his own. Simba wasn't too. He was happy being alone with Timon and Pumba.

But he takes up the job on the prodding of Nala... here that would be Sai.

Even if he doesn't want to... as Chavan heir, V has to take it up in future... and will do it perfectly with Sai by his side.

If I have to relate, Sai says the exact same thing to him on the day of her pehli rasoi...

"aap thik se khaiye.. aapko sab ka khayal rakhna hai"

So right from day one, she understands his role and pushes him to do better... even if at that time, she was in a deal marriage.

My idea again... not sure if it convinces you