Originally posted by: sherry_24
Thats an interesting read and very deep analysis👏👏
Hi Sherry, thanks for your time. I guess this is the first time we are interacting elaborately. Toh pehle toh welcome hain ji badhiya sa! 🤗
And a little warning - I update at snail's pace 😂 and my health has made it worse these 2 weeks 🥺
I really like how you drew the parallel with the lion and lioness dialogue. How you have compared their and personified them with the characteristics.
Thank you ji
To be honest with the current set up I thought it was more around justifying V.
I'm not sure whose justification is being talked about here. Is it me justifying through the post or otherwise.
Apologies! I write the entire day 😂 and I only reply on IF at night. So my conscious is half-dead by this time🤣 Jo bhi aata hai it comes from a different realm.
But anyways, I think majority here must be feeling that I either justify or defend some or the other through my posts - either CVs or characters 😂 . Tbh justifying someone else's work is not my job. Ghum isn't my baby, and even Sairat is not.
And if at all I find the need to justify my original work, then one thing is clear that my writing lacks clarity and I need to work more on my skill to perfect it.
Ideally the story should speak for itself and the characters should speak for themselves. And I'm very sure here's where KD comes in picture as Ghum is a remake. But as I had mentioned in many of my previous posts that I haven't watched KD and I don't intend to. Am unable to watch Ghum daily, no time for KD ssly. But purely from the perspective of storytelling, Ghum always had a great potential to be independent of KD but I don't if it's the channel, makers or everyone. Copy aisi karni chahiye na ki samjhe nahi copy ki hai 😂. And Vanku bhai is terrible at this 🤣 I'm still not able to wrap my thoughts around the leap.
So I have my set of complaints but one can't let a show spoil their mood, reason might be anything.
Overall, I speak from the technical aspect of writing and the market.
Ghum is the baap of bad pace, inconsistency, and poor remake. They rush what needs to be held and hold on to whatever needs to be rushed.
And majorly the way Sai's character is developed and showed is because of market demand. In many ways she is unconventional. And there's another angle of SJ and NB's availability. It's the same channel so they managed. But V's character arc suffered here. I still can't forget Shruthi track. It was a nightmare.
I think I've repeatedly mentioned that story moves ahead with conflict - inner & outer. V is crucial because in his case it is inner conflict unlike Sai (to a great extent) but the catch is Sai is an independent character. She doesn't need anyone to shine. But V is quite a dependent character. He needs some other character to bring him out of his shell. His alter ego shows up only after some or the other conversation with other characters. It might be Sunny, Sai, Ninad or Kamal.
Ghum in greater terms is V's journey on a subconscious basis. And how does a story portray subconscious evolution of a character? It needn't be a psychological thriller. The subconscious evolution of any character is the undercurrent of the story. And how does subconscious evolution happen? Majorly through inner conflict. And where does inner conflict begin? When you are met with something extraordinary or unusual at an external level that which you can't comprehend or even imagine.
Same has happened with V when Sai entered his life. She is absolutely opposite of whatever atmosphere he has grown up in. The external differences evoke internal conflict and that's where the alter-ego starts. Hold on to this because it is a partial answer to your last question.
And unfortunately, very unfortunately makers have been pretty "inconsistently paced" with V's character arc.
I use the word "inconsistently paced" because the real V shows up in bits and pieces but not as a complete picture anywhere.
GC wala V was best in my opinion!
But you busted me on that one. While I agree to most of your analysis, I do have some extensions to these thoughts. Bringing in a twist there. Would love to know your perspective on this one. I enjoy reading different angles to same concepts and stories. In broadens ones thoughts and allows to see things differently.
I try to bring out 10 different from one scene at one time 🤣 Somehow cursed. But I also enjoy multiple perspectives on one thing.
And anyways I love to talk about characters and scenes. My favorite job!
I agree that V has always been careful not to insult or embarrass P in public or infront of his family. All his blow ups, reprimands and face offs have been offline. Get that. He was protecting her, being respectful. Earlier it may be because of his guilt and then knowing his limits with their relationship and respecting it unlike her. Rare occasions he has had a stern one liners with that “Vishay Sampla” undertones. One he is capable of shutting her up, but he seldom uses his mouth for it. Sai is capable of speaking for herself. But, does he not have a responsibility to protect her whenever he can. How can he allow people to insult her in his presence? While he is careful about P’s respect why does he fail to do the same with Sai? Just because she is good enough for herself or because he wants to play safe and not enter a controversy space till he is compelled to? Like a lion.
There's no one answer to this. Many angles pertaining to character layers and development. So hold onto my previous pointers as well 😂
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Because I haven't really watched Virat Pakhi's first meet, etc etc.
If am correct, even during his first GC posting V was on a quest to reach out to Pakhi and vice versa. But destiny had other plans. V meets Sai. Samrat marries Pakhi. V's promise to Pakhi was out of love, heartbreak, and most importantly denial. What's the denial? The denial that life can play such a cruel joke with them. Now add some guilt to this. No matter what Virat cannot and will not go against his family and Samrat. I mentioned there are other lions here. It was BK here. Unlike Sai, Virat and others have grown under a matriarch. And we know how BK is. She is concerned more about her family status in the society. This concern is often looked up by others as "genuine". V might not agree with her, but he also doesn't oppose her. After NC, it was and is BK. Now this is the backdrop and everything isn't shown on screen. BK must really have gone through some tough time after her husband's death and the family has seen it. Maybe that's also one reason that no one goes against her. Even if it's fear, she has kept this entire circus of CN wasis together.
V cannot go against his family, and out of guilt makes a promise to Pakhi (which he couldn't keep).
Few questions to ponder -
- Was Pakhi's love enough for Virat to compel him to go against his family? - NO (hold on to this thought)
Reason?
Pakhi is again a dependent character. She needs someone to thrive on. Someone's approval, validation, love, care, or even higher importance in the family. (Here's the kavdi scene 😉)
Can two dependent individuals fulfill each other? - NEVER
To understand V's behavior with Pakhi and Sai, it is necessary to understand Pakhi's character arc.
And I'm interpreting this purely from the initial episodes.
Sai - "Pakhi didi apni izzat apne haath mein hoti hai. Kabhi bhi kuch itna unchi awaaz mein nahi kehna chahiye ki dusron ke saamne khud ki hi nazrein jhuk jaaye" (Smthn on these lines)
Precisely, Pakhi is going to dig her own grave.
Sai knows it. Virat also knows it.
Why does Sai voice it out?
Why doesn't V say anything?
On the wedding day, Virat tells Sai about Pakhi. The only thing that is stuck in her mind from then on is "Virat is committed to Pakhi"
Sai's pain is visible right from the first day! Not only the fact that she has been pushed into someone's life who loves someone else, but her territory is also threatened.
Sai - "Aapke pati ki koi khabar nahi aayi nahi hai. Aapko unke baare mein pareshaan hona chahiye. Par nahi. Aap toh yaha dusre ke pati par nazar rakhe huye hai."
Sai and Virat had marked their territory the day they married. They never told this to each other. But it showed up as anger, pain, and all the subconscious expressions that they repressed for long.
Virat called Sunny and Pakhi to the wedding.
Why did he tell Sai about Pakhi?
2 reasons -
They were forced in the marriage. Sai was beyond upset. To diffuse the situation, he says he already has someone else in his heart. So she needn't worry as his responsibility is only to help her become a doctor. But in this attempt, he gave her subconscious a scar.
How can a person whose own subconscious is hidden understand this pain? He obviously can't.
Second reason - the guilt of breaking his promise to Pakhi in order to fulfill the promise made to Kamal Joshi. This was the defensive approach.
Initially Virat asked Sai to become mature like Pakhi. Why did he think Pakhi was mature or imitable? The family had accepted her. Most importantly BK had accepted her.
And Sai was irritated with Virat. And Virat notices this irritation. He eventually also understands that Sai doesn't like Pakhi coming to their room. He has mentioned this to her in some episode. Not sure which.
Virat was shook when he brings Sai home. He voices out this to Sunny. He never expected his family to react like this. The only thing that he has seen since their return as couple - Not being accepted.
But did Sai compel Virat Chavan to go against his family?
Did his promise to Kamal Joshi gave him courage to go against his family?
YES!
It might have started off with guilt but it transformed over time.
Why could only Sai and KJ compel V to go against his family?
It's the honesty, purity, and a rare genuineness.
No one will ever give his or her life to save someone.
The CVs gave a great closure to it when Virat saves a police officer and gets shot. The flashback was crucial. His guilt dies down a little in that moment.
It is also where DIG's Kohinoor dialogue comes into play. That's the very scene when he starts inclining towards Sai. That's where he subconsciously detaches from the idea of Pakhi.
Why he doesn't protect Sai in front of everyone?
Again, no one answer to this. 😂
1. As stated before he really wants Sai to be accepted by the family. Especially BK. Why? As I said, BK is the main lion. If she accepts Sai, if the matriarch accepts Sai, she will be safe.
Remember Sai's second accident? Reason might be any, but BK ne sabko kaam pe laga diya tha. And she was fire when Sonali called Sai an orphan.
She's quite a character!
Virat knows for a fact, if BK accepts Sai she'll never face any problem from the family.
That's also the reason when he'd ask Sai to also help in household chores.
The recent episodes are a proof. He's ready to lie if BK is showering all the love on her.
But Sai is Sai 😉
As before it's again KJ vs BK (ideologically). Sai doctor toh ban gayi. KJ's dream fulfilled. Score is 1-0. Now it has to be seen where does V's lie take them.
2. This is again some sort of philosophical truth. Love is a feeling. Even hate is a feeling. If you really don't feel anything for someone you have really moved on.
Virat is definitely irritated by whatever Pakhi does. Not because he feels anything for her. But it always comes in between him and Sai. And Sai is more important for him. Love is more important than hate. So let Pakhi do whatever she has to. Let her dig her own grave.
3. Defending also is a form of reassuring assumptions and prior truths. Had Virat answered or back answered any of Sai's accusations/outbursts/ questions it would have reinstated that kuch toh hai inn dono ke beech. Instead Virat waits Sai to come to conclusion by herself.
4. Lion is the king. And king never answers anyone. If need be not even the queen. There's always pride associated with a lion. He'll never level himself down to prove anything. He lets Pakhi and Sai whatever they want to.
5. There was quite a comic scence. It wasn't comical but i found it funny. I think it was after cafe scene or samrat's return. Pakhi and Sai are quarelling in room. And V says something on the lines ki yeh jo tum dono ka chal raha hai tum dono hi iske jimmedaar ho. I mean i really liked V there.
6. This entire love triangle was based on assumptions and mistakes!
V's mistake - tell off that marriage is a deal. They can never be husband wife.
Sai's assumption - V still has an affair with Pakhi.
Pakhi's assumption - Sai can and will never love V. And V will regret forever.
Samrat's assumption - He was betrayed and bruised badly!
Had Samrat waited and confronted V it would never had been this complex.
And with Samrat's return V's guilt kicks in. It is not for Pakhi. It is purely for Samrat. And he makes an attempt to rectify it post cafe meet by telling the truth.
7. Aur haan, Kohinoor se koi takkar nahi leta. A Kohinoor doesn't need protection. It can be stolen. But it will never lose its shine and purity. 😉
And what's Kohinoor here? It's not just Sai, but it is also KJ's morals and values.
The same values that he has passed on to V as a mentor. For how long can the lion hide? Only time will tell.
An example. The show down after Harini’s birthday when Sai spills the beans on P and V’s past. Sai spoke the truth. While she may be wrong in her assessment of V (I’m not getting into Sairat equation. Leaving that for another day.), but she wasn’t completely wrong. She spoke the truth. But none believed her, or supported her except Ashwini (who was no use). She was labelled a liar and trouble maker, while P got away as the victim. V never acknowledged it. It wasn’t until Samrat came back that the family got to know the truth in it. Which means if it is his or P’s repo at stake vis-a-vis Sai, he will throw Sai in the fire.
Respect is given where it’s due. Especially when someone has crossed all limits of decency and entered pure evil land.And by just letting someone lose to say anything and indirectly encouraging them to enter your personal space is foolishness. Fine he can’t talk about these things with everyone. He has his boundaries with P which she crosses and he chooses to let her walk in as per his convenience giving mixed signals and hopes. Why has he never discussed P with Sai? Whether she loves him or not, as a spouse she had a right to know his space with P. When he did that before wedding by drawing up that clause, why did he fail to do so after his equation changed? I understand that with marriage he had defined the territories and he maintained the sanctity of their marriage. But she deserved to know it. With their conditional marriage, it was very crucial.
Mentioned few points above. For now I don't have anything else to add to this. Agar kuch aata hai toh I'll write for sure.
One more request. What do u think about that scene where V circles around P in his room after the Ajinkya episode where P was exposed? Lion circling his prey? But then it was a one off case. They lion let off his prey to live and conspire again.
Circling around is a warning!
More of like, I now know what you're up to. My eyes are on you. Think twice or even 10 times before doing anything. And now that I know certain things, I won't be fooled.
Because Pakhi had led Ajinkya to the room. And Pakhi was the only one to inform Virat about Ajinkya. So she double-crossed and fooled.
Again letting the prey off - it's not worth the time to hunt things. The prey will dig its own grave. There are other important things.
Have more.
Keep them coming.
But this itself seems too long🙈
I've made it longer. 😂
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