Your opinion about what Nawaz is saying here? - Page 8

Perhaps Bollywood should be clarified as the Bombay film industry. It was conceived and rose to prominence in Bombay. A large majority of the film fraternity lives in Bombay. Linguistically, Bombay is a melting pot.

Some interesting discussion here by folks.

Language imposition is wrong. You cannot force people to speak a specific language. People will naturally speak in the language they are most familiar with.

Language accommodation is reasonable. People who are more comfortable reading in Devanagiri should get scripts in Devanagiri. If people are uncomfortable with English then the best efforts should be made to translate or restate.

Mocking someone for not knowing English is wrong. And yes, the Bollywood elites often use their fluency in English as a status symbol to exert superiority and that is disgusting.

But turning the tables and looking down on everyone whose default language is English is also not right.

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At one point Nawaz mentions theatre actors being more comfortable in Hindi. In the USA, LA is the movie and pop music scene. NYC is the theatre scene. Where is the theatre scene in India?

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

Aren't you here to lagao aag 🔥? I was just fanning that fire a little. 😉

People/NRI's get mocked all the time here for being ABCD's, clueless, and some even go far enough to say that our opinions don't count. Putting people down happens both ways and its a problem you, my friend, won't be able to resolve on india-forums. It's a systemic problem, def. not something that started here and neither will it be addressed well or end here.

Mera bhi dil hai; mai bhi hurt hota hoon 😒 aur jab hurt hadh se badh jaata hai to duniya me aag lagane nikal padta hoon. Aap chronology samajhiye. 😳

Yes i agree it's a universal problem. I'm just stating that i have a problem with this problem... Hope it could change gradually as people become more considerate, on both sides...

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

Mera bhi dil hai; mai bhi hurt hota hoon 😒 aur jab hurt hadh se badh jaata hai to duniya me aag lagane nikal padta hoon. Aap chronology samajhiye. 😳

Yes i agree it's a universal problem. I'm just stating that i have a problem with this problem... Hope it could change gradually as people become more considerate, on both sides...

No problem, I'm all for voicing your problems and grievances as long as they can hear the other side out too. So you're here to star in india-forums version of Agneepath? I see how it is. 🔥

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Perhaps Bollywood should be clarified as the Bombay film industry. It was conceived and rose to prominence in Bombay. A large majority of the film fraternity lives in Bombay. Linguistically, Bombay is a melting pot.

But what's the purpose of renaming Bollywood at all? It's not like the name is problematic in any way. Am I missing something here?

With globalization, world getting smaller by the day, and most of the people being able to access movies from across the globe, how does it make sense to change "Bollywood" to "Hindi film industry" ? It only sounds like a step backwards.... to make the name sound less inclusive in the title itself before someone non-Indian even bothers to check out one of the movies. Sounds like a marketing campaign that's bound to fail. Me no comprende at all that.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Perhaps Bollywood should be clarified as the Bombay film industry. It was conceived and rose to prominence in Bombay. A large majority of the film fraternity lives in Bombay. Linguistically, Bombay is a melting pot.

Some interesting discussion here by folks.

Language imposition is wrong. You cannot force people to speak a specific language. People will naturally speak in the language they are most familiar with.

Language accommodation is reasonable. People who are more comfortable reading in Devanagiri should get scripts in Devanagiri. If people are uncomfortable with English then the best efforts should be made to translate or restate.

Mocking someone for not knowing English is wrong. And yes, the Bollywood elites often use their fluency in English as a status symbol to exert superiority and that is disgusting.

But turning the tables and looking down on everyone whose default language is English is also not right.

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At one point Nawaz mentions theatre actors being more comfortable in Hindi. In the USA, LA is the movie and pop music scene. NYC is the theatre scene. Where is the theatre scene in India?

Theatre has not remained so popular in current times. I would say even almost on the verge of extinction. However, theatres get actors who are common people attached to their roots and hence very well connected with the realities of common people, unlike the elite English proficient star kids of today who are cut off from the day to day "struggles" of a common man / woman.

I believe the script should be in both Roman and Devnagari like user manuals have more than one language. Also efforts should be made to converse in Hindi, in a Hindi film industry atleast, but if someone is more comfortable in English then English can be used for them. Also pride should be associated with being able to converse well in Hindi just as it is associated with conversing well in English. For that reason i admire Ashutosh Rana a lot. His Hindi is very good and i believe he has a theatre background too.

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

No problem, I'm all for voicing your problems and grievances as long as they can hear the other side out too. So you're here to star in india-forums version of Agneepath? I see how it is. 🔥

I'm a bad guy with a heart of gold. Hope girls here can see that. ☺️

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

Theatre has not remained so popular in current times. I would say even almost on the verge of extinction. However, theatres get actors who are common people attached to their roots and hence very well connected with the realities of common people, unlike the elite English proficient star kids of today who are cut off from the day to day "struggles" of a common man / woman.

I believe the script should be in both Roman and Devnagari like user manuals have more than one language. Also efforts should be made to converse in Hindi, in a Hindi film industry atleast, but if someone is more comfortable in English then English can be used for them. Also pride should be associated with being able to converse well in Hindi just as it is associated with conversing well in English. For that reason i admire Ashutosh Rana a lot. His Hindi is very good and i believe he has a theatre background too.

Their English sucks. I usually don't mock people for not knowing English because that's ridiculous. But they flaunt English as a class symbol.😆 So yeah...

Yeah, script should be provided in Devanagari or Roman, whichever they're comfortable with. I am actually stunned someone would hire an actor of the caliber of Nawaz and not provide what he needed.

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

But what's the purpose of renaming Bollywood at all? It's not like the name is problematic in any way. Am I missing something here?

With globalization, world getting smaller by the day, and most of the people being able to access movies from across the globe, how does it make sense to change "Bollywood" to "Hindi film industry" ? It only sounds like a step backwards.... to make the name sound less inclusive in the title itself before someone non-Indian even bothers to check out one of the movies. Sounds like a marketing campaign that's bound to fail. Me no comprende at all that.

Bollywood seems like a copycat word.

For an industry looking for individual global positioning or recognition, a name should reflect individuality not of being a copycat of Hollywood.

@Zeal Plenty of people live in India who have a different mother tongue than Hindi and prefer to learn English rather than Hindi as 2nd language because English gets them further in the modern world.

Southern states with a 3-language system (which Hindi belt still hasn't implemented to any satisfactory extent after 75 years of independence) teach mother tongue first, then English, THEN Hindi.

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

https://twitter.com/kundanshashiraj/status/1518466766426767360?t=maWChVUbfIWUZS2x4gWhSA&s=19

I’m not sure where this joke is from but it’s an urban legend

I set my voicemail and it said

For English press 1 and for Spanish move to Mexico 🤣

Learn English or you’ll fall behind 🤷‍♂️ (Anywhere in the world)