Waah re duniya!!! - Page 5

Originally posted by: Couch.Potato

Amazing post ❤️

Pallavi clearly needs to step back but are makers brave enough to show that ? I hope they are.

Thanks I try 😳

Yes I hope they will show her walk away with her dignity and Raghav groveling to win back her trust. This show has proved time and again how different this is so I have expectations.

Was he drugged or not did they do the deed or not, but Raghav will believe he DID, so he was capable of DOING IT, he voluntarily put himself in that situation so that itself makes him a cheat…is his intent enough to whitewash his actions…reverse the gender..naked Pallavi next to naked Mandar…will we be then talking about intent, deed done or not, who drugged who or will we be questioning her actions??? Words carry no weights when not matched with actions…

I don't think walking into the trap makes him a cheat. He made poor choices but he's an emotional fool. We all know badly he reacts to things. He is not a practical banda and he makes mistakes. But his intentions are right, he didnt want to cheat on Pallavi. He would never cheat on her even during the time he hated her in their marriage- initial days.

I just want him to come clean to P that this is what happened and they get to know it was a trap and nothing happened. I still feel there's a scope to save Raghav and Raghvi.

However if he has slept with Esha in a drunken state, I'd never accept that. There's no redemption and I don't think the makers will do him so dirty. Kal patha chalega or even if that's not the plan, given the backlash, eventually they will show Esha orchestrated the entire thing and actually nothing happened. This is a classic ITV track 🤢

If roles were reversed, no one would forgive Pallavi. I would have may be given her the same leeway (may be) but my post is made to address the same hypocrisy of the duniya.

Here my reaction also depends on how the characters are written and my individual threshold to cheating vs intentions.

Originally posted by: Anu1975

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naked Pallavi next to naked Mandar…will we be then talking about intent, deed done or not, who drugged who or will we be questioning her actions???

Of course not, if a naked pallavi wakes up beside mandar we would call it a rape and would ask mandar to be killed. I don't think there would be this much discussion about whether pallavi was drunk or not drunk.

Have not seen many posts where this is termed as a rape/assault except for 1-2 posts by a single user. After all the scene has not been aired yet. If Raghav was drugged and they have slept together implies it should be called a sexual assault. Is raghav not getting victim shamed for being alone with his ex in a room or for getting drunk. I do not want to be an MRA or even defend Raghav's actions. I would be ok with raghav or pallavi getting bashed. My problem is with the conclusions drawn from the bashing. Just don't think that the woman hate woman narrative is relevant in this situation - atleast in the forum responses here. I could guess and list down many reasons for people disliking Pallavi and I don't think most of them have anything to do with her gender.

Imo the contrived scenes of desi tv and fans' reactions to these should not be used for gender studies or for drawing any conclusions about feminism. Especially with scenes like one lead is blackmailing to marry a person and another is hitting the former with a stick. But to each his own 🤷

Originally posted by: Ruhi.007

naked Pallavi next to naked Mandar…will we be then talking about intent, deed done or not, who drugged who or will we be questioning her actions???

Of course not, if a naked pallavi wakes up beside mandar we would call it a rape and would ask mandar to be killed. I don't think there would be this much discussion about whether pallavi was drunk or not drunk.

Have not seen many posts where this is termed as a rape/assault except for 1-2 posts by a single user. After all the scene has not been aired yet. If Raghav was drugged and they have slept together implies it should be called a sexual assault. Is raghav not getting victim shamed for being alone with his ex in a room or for getting drunk. I do not want to be an MRA or even defend Raghav's actions. I would be ok with raghav or pallavi getting bashed. My problem is with the conclusions drawn from the bashing. Just don't think that the woman hate woman narrative is relevant in this situation - atleast in the forum responses here. I could guess and list down many reasons for people disliking Pallavi and I don't think most of them have anything to do with her gender.

Imo the contrived scenes of desi tv and fans' reactions to these should not be used for gender studies or for drawing any conclusions about feminism. Especially with scenes like one lead is blackmailing to marry a person and another is hitting the former with a stick. But to each his own 🤷

Thanks for the tag. I'm working under the assumption that Raghav is framed aur kuch nai hua. I think most of the forum members are believing this to be the case (sach kal hi patha chalega).

If he's drugged and Esha forces herself on him, it is an assault and should be called out as strongly as Mandar would have in case genders were reversed (there I still think Pallavi would have been bashed for drinking, staying alone, taking care etc).

I strongly believe it's a trap and nothing happens.

Unfortunately, in off chance that he was drugged and Esha forced herself on him, he'd still be called a cheater coz that's how ITv operates. Here, the gender being male is a disadvantage, he wouldn't be offered the same leeway as a woman.

Originally posted by: joliefemme

Was he drugged or not did they do the deed or not, but Raghav will believe he DID, so he was capable of DOING IT, he voluntarily put himself in that situation so that itself makes him a cheat…is his intent enough to whitewash his actions…reverse the gender..naked Pallavi next to naked Mandar…will we be then talking about intent, deed done or not, who drugged who or will we be questioning her actions??? Words carry no weights when not matched with actions…

I don't think walking into the trap makes him a cheat. He made poor choices but he's an emotional fool. We all know badly he reacts to things. He is not a practical banda and he makes mistakes. But his intentions are right, he didnt want to cheat on Pallavi. He would never cheat on her even during the time he hated her in their marriage- initial days.

I just want him to come clean to P that this is what happened and they get to know it was a trap and nothing happened. I still feel there's a scope to save Raghav and Raghvi.

However if he has slept with Esha in a drunken state, I'd never accept that. There's no redemption and I don't think the makers will do him so dirty. Kal patha chalega or even if that's not the plan, given the backlash, eventually they will show Esha orchestrated the entire thing and actually nothing happened. This is a classic ITV track 🤢

If roles were reversed, no one would forgive Pallavi. I would have may be given her the same leeway (may be) but my post is made to address the same hypocrisy of the duniya.

Here my reaction also depends on how the characters are written and my individual threshold to cheating vs intentions.

@bold: That’s my issue here…if they won’t accept Pallavi in the same situation and how come they have no qualms in accepting Raghav…if she won’t be forgiven then why should Raghav be…if Pallavi woke up next to a man the way Raghav woke up next to Esha, Pallavi would have been Sl*tshamed…they would have called her names, brought her, her entire kaandaan to muds…but Raghav doing it is a part of his flawed personality…in fact if pallavi chooses she can forgive Raghav for this moment of weakness or else she can choose to leave and then come back after few years to take care of Raghav and Esha’s baby…Whateven???????

Kya jabardasti hai…why should Pallavi take responsibility of Raghav Esha’s child..matlab she is she a human or an alien that even after a leap she will have to take care of the Pehala pyar ki pehali nishaani which keeps reminding her of the most tormented days of her life…what kind of sadistic expectations that people have from a woman while they give a free pass to a man who cheats in the name of personality trait…

Originally posted by: Anu1975

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Love all the points you brought up. It was what I wanted to say but couldn’t explain enough. His choices put him in that bed scenario. He did not maintain enough distance from her and chose to drink. And whether that drink was spiked or he just got drunk fact is that he put himself in that room. And he chose to stay. He chose to sit that close. There were like 5 other places to sit. He chose to blow into her wound. What, is she a kid ? He chose to lock eyes with her. Wtf was that. He chose to forget about calling Pallavi. I get no network but they didn’t have a landline? He chose to drink.

All of that is leaning towards a form of emotional infidelity. Idk if I can personally call him a cheater outright. But if my husband did that with an ex, it would feel like a betrayal of trust. In a marriage you should do everything to safeguard your relationship. You don’t put yourself in situations where there could even be the possibility of a misunderstanding. What married man is comfortable staying in a hotel room with his ex ? I don’t care about how much he personally thinks nothing is going to happen. He knew then that his ex still had feelings for him yet no distance. SMH. I’m thoroughly disappointed in him.

Pallavi did things many of us also didn’t like, but none of it was a betrayal of trust and that’s why this is so difficult to watch.

Originally posted by: Anu1975

@bold: That’s my issue here…if they won’t accept Pallavi in the same situation and how come they have no qualms in accepting Raghav…if she won’t be forgiven then why should Raghav be…if Pallavi woke up next to a man the way Raghav woke up next to Esha, Pallavi would have been Sl*tshamed…they would have called her names, brought her, her entire kaandaan to muds…but Raghav doing it is a part of his flawed personality…in fact if pallavi chooses she can forgive Raghav for this moment of weakness or else she can choose to leave and then come back after few years to take care of Raghav and Esha’s baby…Whateven???????

Kya jabardasti hai…why should Pallavi take responsibility of Raghav Esha’s child..matlab she is she a human or an alien that even after a leap she will have to take of the love ki nishaani which keeps reminding her of the most tormented days of her life…what kind of sadistic expectations that people have from a woman while they give a free pass to a man who cheats in the name of personality trait…

There is a lot of hypocrisy around us, R is given a more free pass for a lot of things than Pallavi ever would have received. My first post was exactly to address the same thing.

Expecting Pallavi to forgive or become mahan again is another lame expectation that comes from years of conditioning and gaslighting that happens via these ITV shows. It's a misogynistic and patriarchal mindset. Just have a look at the top 5 trp shows you'll know.

I think this is what people are used to seeing on ITv so it's nothing new. Didn't this happen in almost all balaji shows in the 2000s.

A lot of it is also coz people love the swag of RR and don't like the simplicity of Pallavi. In my opinion, both have flaws but one is liked way more than he should and one is disliked way more than she should.

I think our show will go the drugged and nothing happened route.

Raghav's personality trait is that he hates cheaters, he'd never cheat on Pallavi, not even when he hated her during their initial days of marriage. If they didn't fall in love, he'd remain celibate for the rest of his life. That's how much I trust in the man.

Originally posted by: hapc

I get giving her the room and bringing her to it. But was there no hotel lobby? Could he not have given her the room and just went there ? Did he have to drink with her in that same room too? Did he have to sit on the same bed when there was a couch, and two chairs?

It’s not outright cheating, that’s why I said I can’t call him a cheater. But it still feels like a betrayal of trust and that’s what I can’t vibe with.

Originally posted by: fria319

Love all the points you brought up. It was what I wanted to say but couldn’t explain enough. His choices put him in that bed scenario. He did not maintain enough distance from her and chose to drink. And whether that drink was spiked or he just got drunk fact is that he put himself in that room. And he chose to stay. He chose to sit that close. There were like 5 other places to sit. He chose to blow into her wound. What, is she a kid ? He chose to lock eyes with her. Wtf was that. He chose to forget about calling Pallavi. I get no network but they didn’t have a landline? He chose to drink.

All of that is leaning towards a form of emotional infidelity. Idk if I can personally call him a cheater outright. But if my husband did that with an ex, it would feel like a betrayal of trust. In a marriage you should do everything to safeguard your relationship. You don’t put yourself in situations where there could even be the possibility of a misunderstanding. What married man is comfortable staying in a hotel room with his ex ? I don’t care about how much he personally thinks nothing is going to happen. He knew then that his ex still had feelings for him yet no distance. SMH. I’m thoroughly disappointed in him.

Pallavi did things many of us also didn’t like, but none of it was a betrayal of trust and that’s why this is so difficult to watch.

All what you mentioned 💯. Also they were cute-talking. 😐

Till noon I was willing to give Raghav a benefit of doubt and didn’t want to believe that a character I have loved should be called a cheater now, but then it dawned upon me that it was indeed emotional infidelity. And to add to this now, Ragahv will hide everything from Pallavi. If by the end of this track, they do not hold Raghav accountable for whatever happened in today’s episode and for lying to Pallavi later, i don’t see how RaghVi can be salvaged. Saare feels destroyed! They made Raghav a disloyal husband 🥺

Finally the writers have done what I feared right from the beginning of this track. 👏

Originally posted by: fria319

Love all the points you brought up. It was what I wanted to say but couldn’t explain enough. His choices put him in that bed scenario. He did not maintain enough distance from her and chose to drink. And whether that drink was spiked or he just got drunk fact is that he put himself in that room. And he chose to stay. He chose to sit that close. There were like 5 other places to sit. He chose to blow into her wound. What, is she a kid ? He chose to lock eyes with her. Wtf was that. He chose to forget about calling Pallavi. I get no network but they didn’t have a landline? He chose to drink.

All of that is leaning towards a form of emotional infidelity. Idk if I can personally call him a cheater outright. But if my husband did that with an ex, it would feel like a betrayal of trust. In a marriage you should do everything to safeguard your relationship. You don’t put yourself in situations where there could even be the possibility of a misunderstanding. What married man is comfortable staying in a hotel room with his ex ? I don’t care about how much he personally thinks nothing is going to happen. He knew then that his ex still had feelings for him yet no distance. SMH. I’m thoroughly disappointed in him.

Pallavi did things many of us also didn’t like, but none of it was a betrayal of trust and that’s why this is so difficult to watch.

In mandaar track pallu was way to oblivious to mandaar's intention but she was transparent about everything... Here knowing that Esha has feelings for him he chose to do everything that you mentioned.. Also how can he believe whatever Esha said...I mean maybe she was actually a gold digger and married that guy but he turned out to be an abuser hence now she wants to get back with Raghav because he is rich now and she assumed that he still has feelings for her given the ways he is still so much affected by her... Not once did he doubt her intentions😕...She was the girl due to which he hated women for soo long and now he believes her sob story without doubting even once...he told pallu to not believe her as she is manipulative