Aryan Khan Case Discussion ~For the People Who Want a Rationale Debate - Page 10

He was arrested at a place of a party where drugs were being consumed.

Zeal, this argument lacks logic...there were more than 1000 people "at a place of a party where drugs" had been found...So, why didn't the NCB detain and question all those people but did just grab 8... and ACCIDENTALLY (????!!!!) Aryan who was in a queue outside the ship was one of these 8.

Will you REALLY deny that they went for him on purpose?

If I let my thoughts do an assumption, then I would imagine, that they accidentally grabbed Arbaaz (thinking it was Aryan), quickly planted a small quantity of dope on him and realized that they made an error...but darn! they hadn't any dope anymore to plant on Aryan but they took him nevertheless.

Arbaaz' lawyer wanted to see the CCTV footage yet I did not read that he got to see it...

Originally posted by: Beautyful_Mess

@Blue: You didn’t say this in the words i used but that's what i have understood from you saying "let this be a wake up call" That's wrong in eyes, even if the kid did consume drugs everything that was done with this case and how it was conducted is wrong therefore he shouldn’t be in jail at all. Something being a wake up call is learning a lesson in my definition and right Aryan is in jail although he shouldn’t be according to the law so I took it as you have no problem with it as long as he learns his lesson since it's in his betterment. I would like to know why you have a problem with others considering that the government has something to do with it. I'm convinced that they do because I have things that led me to believe that. you asked a question and asked you back the same question. why can't you do the same of what you’re asking of others, considering he took drugs and this is for his own, the same way why don't consider a higher power is in play??

First thing. They were not in Jail and you have used it numerous times. So let me clarify it to you that they were in custody of NCB. For the major part of your opinion which is formed against NCB they were with NCB and not in Jail. So I'm talking about between Oct 2 - Oct 8 all this time they were in NCB office and Guest House.

NCB didn't declare them terrorist or criminal. All those arrested weren't getting 3rd degree treatment or anything even close to any criminal treatment. They were in custody only for questioning if they co-operate nothing would go wrong. One of the father's of those in custody, who is lawyer himself mentioned is NCB is cooperative and believed in the system. ( You must be Wondering why I used they/them and not HE, firstly stop looking this case from perspective of NCB VS Aryan Khan. Aryan is detained with 7 other people on that day.

Read the statement:

"It is all baseless allegations, but it is under investigation. It is very premature to state anything at this point in time. The NCB has been very cooperative and very nice to the kids. I being a lawyer, have faith in the judiciary. The truth will prevail and they will come out scott-free. They are innocent," Aslam Merchant(Father of Arbaaz Merchant) told Times Now.

Now you said conduct of NCB is wrong and Aryan is in jail although he shouldn’t be according to the law.

NCB is legally responsible institution from the day they stepped out to conduct that raid to the entirety of this case they will be answerable in the court of law. If there is any misconduct with any of the 8 detained in NCB office. They can be taken to court. If Aryan is in jail NCB office and shouldn't be according to the law. Aryan lawyer can file the case in court for legal action against NCB.

why don't consider a higher power is in play??

Give me a viable reason why out of all their enemies. They would want to avenge Sharukh Khan. and then I would start thinking about the possibility of higher power is in play.

Originally posted by: Beautyful_Mess

@Red: I want to clarify first and foremost I didn’t read the 100s of posts you have made on Aryan. I have responded to this because i saw this the first time i visited here. you didn’t call him a drugie but you’re posting against him, you’re okay with him being in jail although there haven’t been any evidence that he has done something wrong. you're okay for him to sit in jail for suspicion and that's what bothers me Zeal. There are lots of people who are against him, have you seen me quoting anyone else un it's celebs?? I wanted to know from the start why are you comfortable with whatever that's happening in this case. Am i missing something here?? did they say they found something on him or in his system?? If not then he shouldn’t be sitting in jail. so plz tell me why he's still there?? don't say they are investigating because they had more than enough time to do it. also don't say they are trying to catch criminals because that's just wrong in eyes of the law unless India is different.

Now Aryan(and other 7 people but we are going to talk only about Aryan) is in NCB custody which we have already established. Day 1 when he was captured they got 1 day custody and then they asked court for extended custody but were given only 4 days. In those 4 days he was questioned only once. He gave name of Aachit. Who is a drug dealer.

Now they are in court again.. NCB asks for further extension but are reprimanded by the court. Court says you had Aryan for 4 days what were you doing.. you questioned him only once. NCB lost Aryan custody. Court now gave Aryan Judicial Custody. The reason why Aryan is now in Jail is not NCB but Aryan Lawyer.

Once Court took out of NCB custody he would have been gotten bail next day if it wasnt for Aryan Lawyer to file case in wrong court.

So Like Merchant father has trust in Judiciary same way I have to.. so when you say why are you comfortable with whatever that's happening in this case. Am i missing something here??

Is because of my trust in Judiciary that if Aryan is innocent he would be free.

Originally posted by: Beautyful_Mess

@Green: My question is not wrong Zeal but you see it that way, here am asking what makes you believe and hope something that's not there (evidence) but discard the ones that are right in front of you. now you said "were no drugs in his medical good for him but he must have said something" why are you hoping that he must have said something that justifies everything that's done to him so far when the NCB didn’t say any such thing in court?? you believe they are looking out for him that's why they didn’t disclose anything he must have said to incriminate himself?? my question still stands because you haven’t answered me, why are you so comfortable with everything that's happened with this case so far?? why are you defending and giving the benefit of the doubt where mistakes were made and want to blame somebody who we haven’t seen doing anything wrong while wait so patiently for their mistakes and crimes to be discovered.

NCB must have found something during the questioning with Aryan and 7 other people. That now total arrest related to cruise has extended to 20. Most people they have arrested from outside cruise are drug peddlers.

What I'm trying to tell you is look beyond Aryan Khan.. NCB sole focus isn't Aryan it is not even those 7 unspoken kids. NCB is venturing further they want capture the sources these kids get drug from.. NCB main aim is to break the drug nexus. NCB work is to figure out supply chain and the only way is to go bottom up. Next they will investigate through that dealer where he got his supply from. That's how it works

NCB found Aryan during the cruise raid. He was drug free. Its been established. NCB didnt fight for it. They fought for time to get info out Aryan. They got something.

Now if NCB believes they wont get more from Aryan, then he can get easily get bail. But if they still feel they need Aryan they will fight for Bail cancelation. Which will be harder for them to defend.

Originally posted by: Beautyful_Mess

@Pink: I don’t care what happens in the future and who's punished for their mistakes what care about is what's happening now and from where I stand this case has not being handle like professional officers busting drugs but unprofessional officers with an agenda is all i see. don't be so bias you cover your eyes and ears LITERALLY. There are NOT only two parties involved. If that was the case the ship and everyone on board would be in custody. if the officers were to bust drugs they wouldn’t take few people and let the rest go. they would’ve questioned everyone since they can't possibly tell who has what and who's using what. If this was really a bust they would’ve brought everybody on that ship and they wouldn’t have let it go. that's first proof something isn’t right, second letting citizens touch an accused person, third letting them take pictures with the said accused. you're willing to overlook all of it when it comes to certain party but although there's no one single thing that indicates that Aryan has done anything wrong yet you're alright with him sitting in jail and support it in the hopes something will come up.

Unprofessional officers with an agenda: Can you substantiate this? Or it is your assumption?

How many years NCB has been in this profession. How many cases they might have handled.

You are calling them Unprofessional is not your biasness?

Don't you think NCB is answerable to why they picked only 8 out of 1000s on the cruise. There must be certain criteria.

Now we are talking about the day raid was conducted. Do you know there were 9 Independent Witnesses with NCB team. All these 9 Independent Witnesses will be questioned about NCB conduct in the court.

Out of these 9 Independent witnesses are the two people you have shared picture below.

Originally posted by: Beautyful_Mess

@bold: Are you denying these guys being involved?? if yes then there's nothing more to discuss

if not tell me who they are and what they doing here??

When NCB conduct raids these Independent Witnesses has to be with them till the time they reach NCB office. So when you see these IW outside NCB office that is all valid. One of these witnesses clicked a selfie with Aryan. Which I'm sure will be accountable at later stage.

Thanks for the tag Zeal.

I don’t wanna mention media reports here. They write whatever they wants.

what I understood from court proceedings is
despite of no possession and no drugs found in his system, why NCB strongly opposing bail for Aryan?

1. Aryan is with his friend Arbaz who caught with drugs in possession. and NCB says they didn’t come separately, they reached there in same car,

2. both taken into custody and questioned. Arbaz (?) and Aryan revealed Achit’s name. and they also found Aryan’s WA chats with Achit enquiring ‘bulk quantity’. Aryan’s advocate says it’s about football match. but NCB argued what’s the connection between football & bulk quantity? Their interpretation of those chats between Aryan and Achit was some international drug trafficking.

3.Achit taken into custody with drugs in possession. He revealed other’s name,………and so on.

4.NCB says their main target is to catch the bigger fish and break the chain but not how much quantity (small or large) of drugs seized.

where NCB gone wrong?

1. NCB said they have leads and prior information about the rave party and drugs consumption , why didn’t they wait unti the party began? culprits would have caught red handedly.

2. even if they got tips/leads from them, NCB shouldn’t have allowed private persons to handle accused persons. taking selfies with them, posting on SM makes a mockery of institution.

3. While taking them to court, hospital and bringing them back to NCB office, they should have covered accused faces. what if they proven innocent? parading them before media would ruin their future.

ps: the above said points are my opinions based on my observations. don’t ask me to prove or debate. anyone can feel free to agree to disagree with me.

Originally posted by: hasini009

Thanks for the tag Zeal.

I don’t wanna mention media reports here. They write whatever they wants.

what I understood from court proceedings is
despite of no possession and no drugs found in his system, why NCB strongly opposing bail for Aryan?

1. Aryan is with his friend Arbaz who caught with drugs in possession. and NCB says they didn’t come separately, they reached there in same car,

2. both taken into custody and questioned. Arbaz (?) and Aryan revealed Achit’s name. and they also found Aryan’s WA chats with Achit enquiring ‘bulk quantity’. Aryan’s advocate says it’s about football match. but NCB argued what’s the connection between football & bulk quantity? Their interpretation of those chats between Aryan and Achit was some international drug trafficking.

3.Achit taken into custody with drugs in possession. He revealed other’s name,………and so on.

4.NCB says their main target is to catch the bigger fish and break the chain but not how much quantity (small or large) of drugs seized.

To further add.. (I'm sorry have taken information from media house but it doesn't seem false if they really have access to panchanamas)

India Today has accessed two separate panchanamas. One is that of Aryan Khan, Arbaaz Merchant and others, while the second panchanma is that of Munmum Dhamecha and others. Kiran Gosavi is mentioned as panch in both.

According to the panchnama 1,

NCB officer Ashish Rajan Prasad explained the provisions of Section 50 of the NDPS Act to them. The anti-drugs agency also offered to search Aryan Khan and Arbaaz Merchant before gazetted officers, but the two young men declined.

The investigating officer then asked Aryan Khan and Arbaaz Merchant if they are in possession of any narcotic substance, to which Arbaaz replied yes, mentioning he has charas hidden away inside his shoe.

Arbaaz Merchant voluntarily took out a ziplock bag containing a “black, sticky substance” from his shoe, and the substance was tested with DD kit and confirmed to be charas. Total six grams of charas was recovered from him.

Arbaaz Merchant told the NCB officer that he consumes drugs with Aryan Khan and they were going inside the cruise ship for a blast.

On asking Aryan Khan, he also admitted to consuming charas and corroborated that they had been planning to use the drug seized from Arbaaz Merchant while aboard the cruise liner.

The panchnama was recorded in the presence of two panchas -- namely, Kiran Gosavi and Prabhakar Roghoji Sen. Kiran Gosavi identifies as a private detective and was seen in a viral selfie with Aryan Khan clicked at the Mumbai International Cruise Terminal last Sunday, prior to the star kid's arrest.

Drugs bust case co-accused Ishmeet Singh and Vikrant Kocchar were also mentioned in the panchnama. The two were approached by the NCB at the departure gate at around 4.30 pm on Sunday and had admitted to carrying narcotics.

Originally posted by: hasini009

where NCB gone wrong?

1. NCB said they have leads and prior information about the rave party and drugs consumption , why didn’t they wait until the party began? culprits would have caught red handedly.

2. even if they got tips/leads from them, NCB shouldn’t have allowed private persons to handle accused persons. taking selfies with them, posting on SM makes a mockery of institution.

3. While taking them to court, hospital and bringing them back to NCB office, they should have covered accused faces. what if they proven innocent? parading them before media would ruin their future.

ps: the above said points are my opinions based on my observations. don’t ask me to prove or debate. anyone can feel free to agree to disagree with me.

1. Agreed.

2. This I just explained in my previous post. Those private persons were among total 9 Independent Witnesses and they were with NCB from time raid was conducted to the time Aryan and 7 others were brought to the office. That's how NCB raid works. Taking selfies and posting on SM ~ I'm sure they will be held accountable.

3. I never understood this process of taking them to court, hospital done in India. Such a lousy way its done and the amount of media present. Kya BC hai. It should be done in more professional way not just this but with all such cases.

Hasini, Zeal… great posts 👍🏻 I wasn’t aware of 9 independent witnesses… so these people can have political background too?

And FINALLY somebody addressed these grown ass people as “Young Men” and not “kids” 😂

An advocate of the Supreme Court - just to underline it - doesn't agree with the NCB's proceeding in Aryan's (cruise raid) case:

Originally posted by: TheMinion

Hasini, Zeal… great posts 👍🏻 I wasn’t aware of 9 independent witnesses… so these people can have political background too?

And FINALLY somebody addressed these grown ass people as “Young Men” and not “kids” 😂

NCB doesn't have time to do background checks on them.. Supreme court has also said that if among all the IWs some of them turns out to be with untrustworthy its doesn't weakens the prosecution case as long as other IWs are reliable.

Yr Rahul Ganghi aur Ranbir Kapoor to aaj tak youth bolte hai to shayad definitions have changed.

Under 30 is still kids, under 40 is still youth lol

Let the law take it course.. Any Advocate who sees mistakes in the way NCB has conducted the case.. Should reach out to Aryan Khan(and SRK) and they should take NCB to court.

May the Justice prevail

I spoke with my mum on phone and asked her what’s on TV. She said - Mishra ji ka beta, Khan sahab ka beta and IPL.

So the other case is also getting equal coverage? Anybody in India can confirm?

Originally posted by: hasini009

Thanks for the tag Zeal.

I don’t wanna mention media reports here. They write whatever they wants.

what I understood from court proceedings is
despite of no possession and no drugs found in his system, why NCB strongly opposing bail for Aryan?

1. Aryan is with his friend Arbaz who caught with drugs in possession. and NCB says they didn’t come separately, they reached there in same car,

2. both taken into custody and questioned. Arbaz (?) and Aryan revealed Achit’s name. and they also found Aryan’s WA chats with Achit enquiring ‘bulk quantity’. Aryan’s advocate says it’s about football match. but NCB argued what’s the connection between football & bulk quantity? Their interpretation of those chats between Aryan and Achit was some international drug trafficking.

3.Achit taken into custody with drugs in possession. He revealed other’s name,………and so on.

4.NCB says their main target is to catch the bigger fish and break the chain but not how much quantity (small or large) of drugs seized.

where NCB gone wrong?

1. NCB said they have leads and prior information about the rave party and drugs consumption , why didn’t they wait unti the party began? culprits would have caught red handedly.

2. even if they got tips/leads from them, NCB shouldn’t have allowed private persons to handle accused persons. taking selfies with them, posting on SM makes a mockery of institution.

3. While taking them to court, hospital and bringing them back to NCB office, they should have covered accused faces. what if they proven innocent? parading them before media would ruin their future.

ps: the above said points are my opinions based on my observations. don’t ask me to prove or debate. anyone can feel free to agree to disagree with me.

1 If it was a rave party then how come they arrest Aryan and Arbaaz from the dock and ship was allowed to sail after it and party was allowed to continue? Rave party means everyone or most came their for consumption, 1300 people on the ship, how come only 11 arrested and 3 were allowed to leave within hours, one of those 3 being Pratik Gaba, who extended the invitation to Aryan Khan.

2 NCB lawyer said How can all of these 8 people be at the same place, just because Aryan didn't have drugs on him doesn't mean these 8 people being together is a coincidence

3 Arbaaz named Achit and there were one year old chats between Aryan, NCB says Achit is a supplier but they didn't even ask for Achit's further remand, in fact they didn't even attend court to seek his remand and this Achit was the reason they wanted Aryan’s further custody.