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Originally posted by: asmi_joya

I am more concerned with their standing positions in the family scenes...Until and unless they dont have to talk about Ram Sita and do some ritual/Pooja....this is their usual standing position... This was never the case in the original...RK and Rono were always always at distance,until and unless the duo had their scenes......

From scenes, to standing positions, to expressions to reactions/actions all look like they are husband wife ...Just dialogues say otherwise...Sometimes even dialogues ad well dont... This show is one of the worst in terms of story, execution, direction.... The actors extremely disregarding towards the story and the characters...

They are still trying to get the invisible chemistry to forefront by making them stand next to each other instead of Didi standing next to Samrat 🤣.

Funny thing not even Sai or Ashwini stand this close to Virat 🤣 and it doesn't even bother me anymore. If they are not standing next to eachother then I will feel something is wrong 😆

Originally posted by: Rdigest

They are still trying to get the invisible chemistry to forefront by making them stand next to each other instead of Didi standing next to Samrat 🤣.

Funny thing not even Sai or Ashwini stand this close to Virat 🤣 and it doesn't even bother me anymore. If they are not standing next to eachother then I will feel something is wrong 😆

Exactly no one...Neither his onscreen mother, nor his onscreen sister , his Kaku, bua!! Wife chor do, I dont expect Sai to stand next to him even when things are fine between them... Who gets to stand so close, the same woman who is ex, who is his Bhabhi, who he is supposed to maintain a 'dignified and respectful' distance because of the past he shared with her and for present and future that he wants , oops Sorry, he 'claims' he wants to share with her....

Can we have a continuation of today's scene where she is soooo caring for Virat 😆 where Samrat asks her , Patralekha, remember me , your husband and he is you devar 🤣

Originally posted by: sadiltl

What I meant is, he is definitely not genuine when he says 'dost' too! Because if you observe, when it comes to his decisions, Pakhi doesnt feature at all. It is either Sai or Samrat for him. He is pretty clear with Pakhi in his personal confronations with her, he was okay to leave her in the cafe in between the converstaion too when she was crossing the line. Those are his real emotions for her, because there is no one there to influence his responses. So I take that as the status of his feelings or thoughts for Pakhi. He was irritated for sure.

But he didnt reveal for several reasons we already discussed, definitely not for keeping Pakhi close to him. If we agree to that also, then why does he not shut her up.? It is very confusing, but only thing possible is that he tries to ignore her. Even when with Sai, if she blabbers rubbish, he just takes her words to judge Sai's responses. He 'uses' her actually to get response from Sai is what I stared to feel. That is very wrong of him to do. But thats what he has been doing. The best example is how he did not flinch when her saree caught fire. That is his 'equation' with her.

What bothers me with Virat is I thought his love for Sai is selfless. That he will always put Sai ahead of him, but recnet actions showed otherwise. But today again I could see the Virat I wanted to see. And him leaving Sai after the accident, definitely shows that he ultimately puts Sai ahead of his needs.

Sorry I am thinking completely different here. But that answers most of my questions related to his behavior.

My understanding is - Virat is being emotionally unfaithful but he doesn't realise it. This is what I believe the writer intends to convey. As Asmi has pointed out in numerous posts, lot of times, people fail to recognise that they are involved in an emotional EMA because they haven't slept with the 'other'.

Virat has strong feelings towards Sai because he feels good when he is with her, and he senses that she is a caring person - he wants to be as important to her as her abha was. He is in love with the idea of being with her.

But Virat is also always hungry for acceptance - and he gets that in plenty from Pakhi. He no longer feels any romantic inclination towards Pakhi - so he convinces himself that his actions towards Pakhi is just friendship. But there is a disturbing tendency to take liberties with her, an instinctive need to protect her - because he relates to her, sees himself to be a bit like Pakhi. As laksh had so beautifully explained in one of her posts - both Pakhi & Virat give too much importance to the rush of feelings they get (Virat towards Sai & Pakhi towards Virat) and build it up as a fantasy in their mind - but at the same time, they fail to recognise the foundation of a real relationship - trust, respect and genuine care. Both their 'love' is shallow. So while Virat may not realise, subconsciously, he not only relates to Pakhi, but also likes the acceptance that Pakhi extends to him. All this is happening at the subconscious level ofcourse, and hence the contradictory actions - where he tells Pakhi he is off limits but continues to engage in unacceptable behaviour with Pakhi. He doesn't have deep care towards Pakhi either.

In short, Virat is a psychological mess.

Apart from this emotional side, there is another side to him - the Ninad in him. The one that at a deep level, doesn't have real respect for the spouse, that feels entitled to punish/ill-treat his spouse for failing to understand him.

Before Samrat's return, even I thought Virat is being protective towards Pakhi for the sake of Samrat. I also ignored a couple of inappropriate scenes of Virakhi hand-holding as a stunt by the makers to keep the third wheel angle alive. But all this leeway given have been shattered by Samrat's return. His continued empathy and blindness towards his ex, him ganging up with his ex to humiliate his wife has opened the can of worms that we were all trying to ignore.

I still don't particularly look for love in his actions - SaiRat's lack of communication has been so bad that I don't expect either of them to be in love. Couples can take years to reach that stage. I don't mind him not trying to get Sai back due to his hurt either. I'm also ok with him acting selfish and self-absorbed - because it has been established that's how he is. What is troubling is the complete lack of respect that he has shown towards Sai. No matter the magnitude of the issues between a couple, I cannot see ANYONE ganging up with an ex to insult/humiliate his/her spouse. He has destroyed the dignity of spousal relationship. It completely broke Sai.

Nethraa, I am just trying to understand here, hence this question. Do you deny all the confrontations between Virat and Pakhi as lies or Virat spoke out of nowhere? I can never see Virat in the way you said, because then the entire premise of the story and Virat's characterizzation from the beginning would be wrong.

If we say that he is somewhere tied to Pakhi at emotional level, then what does his major 3 confrontations with her tell us? He was as straightforward as he could be. His conversation at cafe, in my opinion is the most sorted out conversation. If we believe what Virat feels for Sai is superficial then we should not believe in his words in the entire 3 conversations above! But All the 3 conversations are turning points in the story line...which cant be inconsequential to understand Virat's stand.

Understanding a character in a story setting is different from understanding a person in real world, in my opinion. Real world, you have many situations to make an opinion on a person. But in a story, few plots you have to agree on, othewise the entire premise of the story and the characterization is missed. Even if we believe Virat is a shallow person, we cant deny his words in these confrontations. They are placed for a reason, at very appropriate times. Thats all I am saying.

Again, I am not refuting any opinions. I am giving my perspective of how I see the characters.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Nethraa, I am just trying to understand here, hence this question. Do you deny all the confrontations between Virat and Pakhi as lies or Virat spoke out of nowhere? I can never see Virat in the way you said, because then the entire premise of the story and Virat's characterizzation from the beginning would be wrong.

If we say that he is somewhere tied to Pakhi at emotional level, then what does his major 3 confrontations with her tell us? He was as straightforward as he could be. His conversation at cafe, in my opinion is the most sorted out conversation. If we believe what Virat feels for Sai is superficial then we should not believe in his words in the entire 3 conversations above! But All the 3 conversations are turning points in the story line...which cant be inconsequential to understand Virat's stand.

Understanding a character in a story setting is different from understanding a person in real world, in my opinion. Real world, you have many situations to make an opinion on a person. But in a story, few plots you have to agree on, othewise the entire premise of the story and the characterization is missed. Even if we believe Virat is a shallow person, we cant deny his words in these confrontations. They are placed for a reason, at very appropriate times. Thats all I am saying.

Again, I am not refuting any opinions. I am giving my perspective of how I see the characters.

I have Written this in previous thread too See unpopular opinion , but this has been on my mind since many days ... There the actors playing RK and Rono were actually a popular jodi previously in two other serials , so they decided to show Rono stern with RK from the very beginning right from chilli grinding ( because both the lead actresses had chemistry with the male lead unlike here ) ... But here Virat was very soft from the starting and you all know the backstory so I won't go there .... Here ( I hope , my gut feelings says ) I am not wrong but fake pregnancy track would actually make sense with the Virat Pakhi equation ( although it's creepy anyways ) that why Pakhi would do that or how she would dare to do that because here Pakhi got actually very much leeway with everything ( in terms of family and Virat ) because RK did not get this much leeway ... I hope fake pregnancy track would be the final nail in the coffin for all the Pakhi puran we have been getting ... I sincerely hope I am not wrong ... Because It didn't make sense in KD that why Badshah forgave RK despite being stern with her from the beginning because it looked out of the place when he forgave her but here atleast it would make sense that why Samrat will forgive Pakhi because he actually is very much smitten by here ... Hope vanku don't do my beizzati

( Pardon my English )

BTW Neil was brilliant with those expressions when Kaku talked about Sai being jealous of Patralekha, because she is considered as the better bahu...He agreed to Kaku.. The man who never understood her jealousy as a wife, agrees to the jealousy as a family member, as the Bahu of the house, even after she has spoken about her insecurities clearly on that aspect...After the pyaar and sammaan she gets in the house by Ghar ke ache bade and by Patralekha, after the way she is 'never' ridiculed by the family because of Patralekha, he understands and knows clearly she is 'plain' jealous...he raised above the script to convey those expressions of agreement...Rono could never do that...NB take a bow..🥳

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

I am more concerned with their standing positions in the family scenes...Until and unless they dont have to talk about Ram Sita and do some ritual/Pooja....this is their usual standing position... This was never the case in the original...RK and Rono were always always at distance,until and unless the duo had their scenes......

From scenes, to standing positions, to expressions to reactions/actions all look like they are husband wife ...Just dialogues say otherwise...Sometimes even dialogues as well dont... This show is one of the worst in terms of story, execution, direction.... The actors extremely disregarding towards the story and the characters...

I'm actually immune to it now. It's unbelievable Asmi that they don't realise what they are doing, how they are coming across.

It's total arrogance and disrespect towards the story they are showing. Pakhi's place is one of influence, from what I understood about RK's character, not physical closeness, but here they have consistently tried to cross those limits.

And I always thought, Pakhi is like this influential mother in law ...or any influential family member that we normally see in tv serials ..mother in law, sister etc.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Nethraa, I am just trying to understand here, hence this question. Do you deny all the confrontations between Virat and Pakhi as lies or Virat spoke out of nowhere? I can never see Virat in the way you said, because then the entire premise of the story and Virat's characterizzation from the beginning would be wrong.

If we say that he is somewhere tied to Pakhi at emotional level, then what does his major 3 confrontations with her tell us? He was as straightforward as he could be. His conversation at cafe, in my opinion is the most sorted out conversation. If we believe what Virat feels for Sai is superficial then we should not believe in his words in the entire 3 conversations above! But All the 3 conversations are turning points in the story line...which cant be inconsequential to understand Virat's stand.

Understanding a character in a story setting is different from understanding a person in real world, in my opinion. Real world, you have many situations to make an opinion on a person. But in a story, few plots you have to agree on, othewise the entire premise of the story and the characterization is missed. Even if we believe Virat is a shallow person, we cant deny his words in these confrontations. They are placed for a reason, at very appropriate times. Thats all I am saying.

Again, I am not refuting any opinions. I am giving my perspective of how I see the characters.

I don't feel Virat was lying when he told Pakhi off during his confrontation with her. That's why I said his soft corner towards Pakhi is subconscious. Consciously, he believes himself to be in love with Sai so he thinks he is doing the right thing by telling Pakhi off. So he is not really lying. But apart from these confrontations, his actions have been contradictory. His subconscious craving for approval makes him go soft with Pakhi, and take liberties with her at normal times and also to allow her to humiliate Sai during the bad times. My take on Virat may seem complicated but such people do exist in real life.

Most people who engage in emotional EMA (either knowingly or unknowingly) do so because they feel they are not getting the love, attention that they want.

I agree with your point about placing faith in the story despite creative liberties taken here and there since it is fiction- and that's how I approached Virat's characterization too. But I'm increasingly getting convinced that Leena Gangopadhyay did not write a made-for-each-other love story as it appears. The scenes after Samrat's return has changed my perspective. Ghum is very very complex. I do believe that Leena was hinting at emotional affair too - which if we go by KD, continues to wreak havoc in SaiRat relationship.

This is purely my POV based on what has been shown.

Originally posted by: scarlett22

I'm actually immune to it now. It's unbelievable Asmi that they don't realise what they are doing, how they are coming across.

It's total arrogance and disrespect towards the story they are showing. Pakhi's place is one of influence, from what I understood about RK's character, not physical closeness, but here they have consistently tried to cross those limits.

And I always thought, Pakhi is like this influential mother in law ...or any influential family member that we normally see in tv serials ..mother in law, sister etc.

The fact that she is his ex who hates his wife and yet him agreeing to her words, her actions, Sai being jealous of it all was no less, that they have to stand closer in almost all the family scenes... There dance sequences early on, their catch and fall early on, their confrontations everything except the chemistry has been better..