Blind Deshmukhs - Page 4

Originally posted by: DaffodilsNew

Its not just abt women safety for me. Throwing Pallavi out of the house at the middle of the night was so much more significant for me. It was insulting and humiliating. It was mistrust. It shattering years of trust she had entrusted into these people she called her parents. No parent will throw their daughter out jusy bcz some random stranger comes and accuses her dt she slept wid him for favours !!! If you are an actual parent......you will listen to your daughter. You believe your daughters words above anyone else's. VD didnt do dt.........bcz whatver he might hv said in the past......Pallavi was never actually a daughter to him.

And why is Amruta a child and Pallavi isnt ??? To a parent ......every one of their children is equal. How much experience did Pallavi have ?? Just bcz she chose to carry the whole responsibility of her in laws and D house doesnt make her a grown woman. Yes she did mistakes and lied but it ws done wid good intentions which VD chose to ignore .....bcz Pallavi wasnt their daughter. Here he ignores everything Mandar does but for Pallavi's every mistake she was put in a court where everyone was allowed to judge her.

About Raghav and VD......honestly I hv no issues if they stay this way forever. I dont consider VD pallavi's father figure. He is selfish and uses Pallavi according to his own benefit. One recent example is the deceitful promise he took from Pallavi for Mandar .So I dont hv an issue if Raghav and VD never make ammends .

Originally posted by: Cinderella100

Totally agree. There must be a 4-5 year age gap between Pallavi & Amruta and lets face it What Amruta did wasnt a child's mistake. Another thing that I disliked abt VD is when Raghav showed the video of Sulochana's confession to VD he wasnt least bit disgusted with Sulo's behaviour. Instead he showed attitude to Raghav. For someone with so much morals he was okay with an innocent mother & daughter going to jail wrongfully accused of prostitution. During the abortion track he mentioned abt Amrta getting married to the guy that got her pregnant, so with his mentality shouldnt Raghav's marriage to Pallavi after his(Raghav) shaming of pallavi be accepted as repentance by Raghav. But VD didnt like that because Pallavi's remarriage upsets his life. He was too comfortable with Pallavi playing head of the house & fulfilling his duties. Lets face it if he really showed an interest in his Sari shop Pallavi wouldnt have got away showing him incorrect figures. His care for Pallavi (I wouldnt use the word love) was conditional that she remains a slave to the Deshmukhs. Ayi on the other hand proved she unconditionally loves Pallavi.

Right !!

He has completely different yard sticks of morals for judging his family and Pallavi. While his owm blood family is forgiven for major mistakes , all of Pallavi's smallest mistakes are projected as some criminal offense.

Going by his own yardstick , he should hv married Pallavi to Raghav ,but he just didnt want to think abt her . He just thought of himself nd how Pallavi had gone against him . Not a care abt Pallavi. Selfish to the core he is. And yes he was against the marriage bcz it disrupted their own comfortable life.

The same nyt proved what unconditional love is. Aayi 's love ws uncinditional in the exact same situation where VD love .....wasnt exactly love for Pallavi.

@ bold : Absolutely correct.

Hello DaffodilsNew:

When Vijay threw Pallavi out, he didn't blame her for indecent sexual activity; he said that she was treacherous for showing him fake accounts (true), for acquiring the shop for herself (trick by Raghav), and for trying to register his business in her own name (fabrication by Raghav). Raghav's lewd talk and obscene photos were merely the how-it-happened of Pallavi's treachery. So, the comparison shouldn't be Amruta vs. Pallavi for sexual activity; it should be Sulochana vs. Pallavi for treachery.

Both Sulochana and Pallavi joined the family by marriage, but Vijay has to put up with Sulochana's troublemaking for the sake of her husband and children. Pallavi's alleged betrayal hurt Vijay more because he believed that she was a genuine person who appreciated his life's work and wanted to carry it on, not steal it from him. Pallavi's secrecy humiliated Vijay and shattered his trust; then Vijay did the same to her. He was wrong. In the moment that Vijay was ready to end his own life, and his heart was about to give out physically, he made the mistake of disowning Pallavi.

I won't deny that Vijay benefited from Pallavi paying the property tax, and he imposed on her for Mandar's recovery, but Vijay also works hard because he does not like to be dependent. I think he sincerely believes that if Pallavi left Raghav and rejoined the Deshmukh family, she would be more respectable and happier.

Hello Cinderella100:

Why should Vijay have believed Raghav's video of Sulochana confessing that she implicated Jaya and Kirti in something? The part of the video that Raghav played had not one word about prostitution or jail; Vijay had never heard of this incident before; Sulochana said that Raghav beat her to get that false confession; and indeed she was standing there covered in bruises. Raghav who says he lied about Pallavi is to be believed when he accuses Sulochana?

Anyway, even if Vijay had known what Raghav was talking about, Vijay is not responsible for how Raghav's police deal with a crime. Raghav had the confession and evidence to arrest Sulochana if he wanted to, but Raghav told Pallavi that he decided, since he had wronged Pallavi, he would tell the Deshmukhs the truth and let them punish Sulochana. Of course, Raghav's reasoning is nonsensical and he had no right to spare Sulochana; it should have been Kirti's decision.

Vijay never expressed the mentality that marriage is repentance for indiscretion. You are projecting. Vijay only said to Sharada that as elders, we should look at what we can do for Amruta. Who is the boy that impregnated her? Does he love her? Does she want to marry him and would she be happy with his family? These were Vijay's questions, not directives. In Pallavi's case, the answers were out in the open: Raghav is notorious for disrespecting women; Raghav says that he and Pallavi prefer sex without commitment; Pallavi says that Raghav harassed, kidnapped, and tried to kill her. Naturally, Vijay disapproved of Pallavi marrying Raghav and staying married to him.

Here's a parallel to "if Vijay had really showed an interest in his saree shop, Pallavi wouldn't have gotten away with showing him incorrect figures." If Raghav had really showed an interest in watching Kirti, if he had micromanaged her bodyguards, he would have known about Sunny, known that Kirti doesn't drive ... See how ridiculous it is? Delegation of work is not a character flaw, but if you think it is, let's give Vijay credit because he learned from his mistake of trusting Pallavi. After Mandar supposedly died and Vijay had his first heart attack, he took time to recover at home, but after his second heart attack and Nikhil's arrest, Vijay went back to work selling sarees on the street to provide for his family. Vijay is not exploitative; he's self-respecting.

As an expert weaver who has a loom set up in his home, Vijay probably continued to work after his first heart attack; he just entrusted the shop to Pallavi. After Vijay and Pallavi were interviewed on TV, Vijay came to the shop to help out, but he was needed at home before he could discover the skimpy clothes planted by Raghav and the real accounts concealed by Pallavi. So, Vijay made the effort, but luck was against him.

Originally posted by: BrhannadaArmour

Hello DaffodilsNew:

When Vijay threw Pallavi out, he didn't blame her for indecent sexual activity; he said that she was treacherous for showing him fake accounts (true), for acquiring the shop for herself (trick by Raghav), and for trying to register his business in her own name (fabrication by Raghav). Raghav's lewd talk and obscene photos were merely the how-it-happened of Pallavi's treachery. So, the comparison shouldn't be Amruta vs. Pallavi for sexual activity; it should be Sulochana vs. Pallavi for treachery.

Whatever the reason you might argue it to be , none of them can justify throwing your DIL or daughter out of the house ( day or night is insignificant to me ). Why would he trust a stranger's words over Pallavi ? Why would he not give her a chance to explain and then choose to believe her and not some stranger. Why in the world would he believe Pallavi is a treacherous person ?? You can only and only believe such things if you hv never loved someone as your very own. Doubts only hv a place when you dont accept the person as your own. And did Pallavi do it for herself ? Did she gain anything from it ?

No way you can make me agree to the fact that Vijay Deshmukh was reasonable or justifiable for what he did to Pallavi dt day. So lets agree to diagree here.

Both Sulochana and Pallavi joined the family by marriage, but Vijay has to put up with Sulochana's troublemaking for the sake of her husband and children. Pallavi's alleged betrayal hurt Vijay more because he believed that she was a genuine person who appreciated his life's work and wanted to carry it on, not steal it from him. Pallavi's secrecy humiliated Vijay and shattered his trust; then Vijay did the same to her. He was wrong. In the moment that Vijay was ready to end his own life, and his heart was about to give out physically, he made the mistake of disowning Pallavi.

In the moment you say !! Okay den . What about the next day ? What abt after dt ? What about months after dt ? The only time he was willing to take Pallavi back is when he wanted Raghav to go to jail for framing him . Dt too wid such an atitude as if he was doing some charity by taking her back. No ....dts no way real parents will ever behave.

And if sulochana is being tolerated like you said bcz she has a husband and kids , then Pallavi was a widow. A widow who loved and respected that family like her own . And yet Sulochana is more trustworthy and forgivable than her.

Honestly I dont like the reason you gave. So what someone has family and the other doesnt ? What reason is dt ? What if sulo goes and kills someone? Should they also forgive her on dt basis. She defamed not just Pallavi but Keerthi too. And VD did nothing . This is how criminals are born.

I won't deny that Vijay benefited from Pallavi paying the property tax, and he imposed on her for Mandar's recovery, but Vijay also works hard because he does not like to be dependent. I think he sincerely believes that if Pallavi left Raghav and rejoined the Deshmukh family, she would be more respectable and happier.

Lol are you kidding me ? You really think that ? VD himself said Pallavi is their Bahu and her right place is wid her husband Mandar. Those are his exact words. And you know when he said those ??? When Pallavi was unconscious . You know why??? Bcz Pallavi couldnt see his real motives in dt state.

While taking the promise , he said he just wants Mandae to get well and Pallavi can help him. But that wsnt the truth. He wanted to stay der bcz he believes they own her bcz she married their son first and their son wnts his wife back. What Pallavi wants or where Pallavi's happiness lies is insignficant to him. Like alwys for him Pallavi comes last. He cares for his home , his son and their happiness.......not Pallavi's.

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Raghav understood in his first meeting with Sanki (back then he was called Rambo) that the guy didn't trust his own daughter. He used this to great effect to discredit Pallavi but I don't think even he expected Sanki would throw her out of the house, that too in the middle of the night.

Even in his anger, he couldn't believe that Sanki would do that on the words of a stranger, especially because it was about his ego and his hatred for Raghav more than for Pallavi.

The episode where Raghav goes to tell the Ds about her innocence and how just in those few words exchanged with them he realized exactly how toxic they were, was one of the best episodes of the show. It was blatantly obvious to him, so when he told her that explicitly after returning home, she slapped him out of anger and because deep down she knew it was true. Poor thing wasn't in a state to handle that because of how broken she was. 😭 Unfortunately she saw for herself how selfish Sanki was, yet now it's all hunky dory between them. He wasn't fit to be called a father-in-law (her words) and now it's back to calling him Baba and being emotionally manipulated by him again. I hope she doesn't get trapped and leaves because Sanki won't change so easily. He might not be able to refute the proof of Mandaar's crimes, but I won't put it past him to blame Sunny or someone else for what Mandaar tried to do.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Raghav understood in his first meeting with Sanki (back then he was called Rambo) that the guy didn't trust his own daughter. He used this to great effect to discredit Pallavi but I don't think even he expected Sanki would throw her out of the house, that too in the middle of the night.

Even in his anger, he couldn't believe that Sanki would do that on the words of a stranger, especially because it was about his ego and his hatred for Raghav more than for Pallavi.

The episode where Raghav goes to tell the Ds about her innocence and how just in those few words exchanged with them he realized exactly how toxic they were, was one of the best episodes of the show. It was blatantly obvious to him, so when he told her that explicitly after returning home, she slapped him out of anger and because deep down she knew it was true. Poor thing wasn't in a state to handle that because of how broken she was. 😭 Unfortunately she saw for herself how selfish Sanki was, yet now it's all hunky dory between them. He wasn't fit to be called a father-in-law (her words) and now it's back to calling him Baba and being emotionally manipulated by him again. I hope she doesn't get trapped and leaves because Sanki won't change so easily. He might not be able to refute the proof of Mandaar's crimes, but I won't put it past him to blame Sunny or someone else for what Mandaar tried to do.

Absolutely . It was easy to spot the lack of trust VD had for Pallavi. It was very evident from the first few episodes only. Raghav used dt to his own advantage.

And how did I forget this .....VD believed Raghav when he accused Pallavi but when the same Raghav came to reveal Pallavi's innocence VD didnt listen to a word of his. Fine he wanted to punish Raghav but instead what he did ws punish Pallavi. Which kind of father punishes his own daughter for soneone else's fault ? In the initial days of their marriage , had VD once asked Pallavi to return to them.....she would hv happily ran back but he never did. If he really thought Pallavi would be better off at D house.........den how come he never asked her to up until Mandar came back and demanded to hv his wife back.

His motives hv always been selfish...always .

@ bold : This is what annoys me the most.

inlieu, your perception is completely different from mine. Raghav didn't understand anything when Vijay came to tell him off (their third meeting, not first); he was offended that Vijay looked down on him, so he spat whatever insults came to his tongue, including that Vijay might not trust Pallavi and that Pallavi was at his feet with the other girls chasing him.

Raghav went to a lot of trouble to falsify evidence against Pallavi because he knew that her family wouldn't believe him easily. And Vijay didn't, until Pallavi admitted that she falsified the accounts. Vijay saw that Pallavi had made a fool of him, and then he asked her, Raghav was endangering your life but you still went to see him against my wishes - why? Vijay's disdain (not hatred) for Raghav wasn't enough to turn him against Pallavi, but the disssonance between what Pallavi claimed and how she acted convinced Vijay that she tolerated Raghav out of greed.

Raghav was quite drunk when he found out that Pallavi had been thrown out, and for several episodes after that, Raghav didn't care how Pallavi suffered. Raghav told Jaya that Pallavi had betrayed her father; he never once said that Pallavi had been wronged by her family. Kirti told Raghav that it was his fault that Vijay had a heart attack, but still Raghav threw a check at Pallavi and told her to leave Hyderabad while her father was in the ICU, and when she didn't leave, Raghav tried to stop payment on the check, just because he thought Pallavi was a "bl**dy gold-digger." When he offered water and biscuits to Vijay, Raghav mocked him for giving his shop to Pallavi, and not for throwing her out - although by then Raghav was almost convinced that he had punished Pallavi for what Sulochana did.

Only after Raghav told Vijay without any apology, "Everything I said about Pallavi was a lie; that was Baḍā Bindī's fault; now I've fixed my mistake and you people have to fix yours," and Vijay said that he would believe anyone in the world over Raghav, Raghav vented his frustration by saying that the family didn't deserve Pallavi and they're a "crazy bunch of egoistic people" - the same words he had called Pallavi and Vijay together a few days before: "egoistic bunch of crazy people." That's just how Raghav reacts when someone won't follow his orders.

When Raghav expressed frustration that Pallavi's family believed his lies and then didn't believe the truth from the same person (who now admits that he's a liar), Luṅgīvālā Raghav correctly asked Raghav to think, why is the old man behaving like this, and Raghav admitted, "I'm the reason." Luṅgīvālā Raghav advised Raghav to talk honestly with Pallavi, and it would take time, but the problems would be solved. Instead, Raghav talked to Pallavi without apology, as if he should be admired for telling the truth, and tried to deflect blame onto Pallavi's family. Pallavi told Raghav that more than his lies, his "Maiṃ Bhagavān hūṃ" complex was hurting her; his conceit that he has the right to change people and change them back at will.

Since you like the May 17 episode, you might want to watch it again to take away what I took away from it.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/mehndi-hai-rachne-wali/5241906/for-fun-i-hope-vijay-versus-raghav-score-card

This is a very interesting topic and I'd like to add my observations:

In the initial episodes when Aayi wanted Pallavi to remarry, VD was shown hesitant. It was implied (I believe) that he worried for her happiness and hence the hesitation. However, when Raghav walked into their lives and VD realised he's losing his control over Pallavi, he tried to stop her using all possible tactics. Pallavi knew what she was doing was right and hence went ahead with her actions. This infuriated VD even more.

You could see how slowly and steadily his care and worry for her began to fade as his trust wavered. Whether it was the day when Raghav was found in her room, he saw Raghav shirtless and Pallavi walk out of his house, his mehendi on her hands, her staying overnight at Raghav's house during lion track, sangeet night where he stopped Nikhil from going to look for Pallavi, Raghav giving her the trophy of best sari maker, the abortion fiasco, and the infamous allegation night.

VD is a very selfish person - so long as Pallavi was the dutiful daughter in law who took care of the kitchen, the shop and the family and was sacrificing everything to make them happy, she was his daughter. The day he realised, she's going astray (in his perception), his true colors came to the fore.

Under no circumstance would a father throw his daughter out of the house, however big the mistake. When they didn't throw Sulo or Amruta out, why Pallavi? Because she was their own only till the circumstances were in favor. Also, as regards the shop papers and fake accounts, Pallavi clearly told VD that she did it so he didn't suffer an attack. In the past 2 years didn't that man see how much this girl toiled to ensure the shop stays afloat. One instance where he found out she lied for his sake, she became the villian of their life.

It was all the more surprising that he didn't allow Pallavi an explanation. She kept on saying I swear by you it's all a lie but he chose to trust Raghav then. Even Nikhil and Aayi believed Pallavi but not VD which clearly proved his fake love for Pallavi.

After marriage, when he came to take her back or agree to forgive her if Raghav fulfilled his twisted condition, it was all to put Raghvi down and not because he genuinely cared. That is why the day Pallavi was thrown out of that house, she never went back. She recollected that night on her wedding day when Aayi wanted to take her back and when VD forced to take her back after the necklace fiasco. That is the reason she agreed she doesn't want that family (except Aayi and Kaka) back during the lota confrontation with VD.

Having said all the above, I really hoped she kept her distance from VD because that man is still selfish. I can't forgive him for scheming to separate Raghvi for getting a one up on Raghav and getting his son his favorite toy, locking the door to prevent Pallavi from meeting Raghav, forcing Pallavi to be his daughter in law when she was legally Raghav's wife, insulting Amma and Keerti at Janmashtami when they were guests at his house despite all the favors done by Raghav on the D family.

I really hope that tomorrow, VD gets to see what he created and how Mandar is not what he appears to be. I really hope this man repents. Seeks forgiveness from raghvi and accepts their marriage.

About the bold lines below:

VD might say he threw pallavi out for her treacherous activity, but his prior actions and express I say otherwise. He is the same person who went about the town enquiring about the 'chaal-chalan' of his DIL whom he used to pretend ss daughter. He followed pallavi and warned off raghav. Even if we excuse this, his next action of going to the shop which is Pallavi's workplace and asking krishna the question Raghav aur Pallavi ke "sambandh" kaise hai is unpardonable? I do not remember the question verbatim but do remember the word sambandh very clearly. Not only was I uncomfortable as a viewer but the character krishna also showed such uneasiness on her face. He had no right to barge into a workplace and ask such questions about a woman to another woman. Even if we call the shop as his family business and whatever may be his relationship with Pallavi, it is still a workplace for krishna and he should not be going and spouting such stuff to her. If I was in Krishna's place I would have been disgusted to face such a person.

VD had always been shown as bothered by pallavi and Raghav's relationship. Be it him being shirtless or his mehendi or the blouse hook incident. The show has spent quite amount of screen time showing VDs reactions to all these. A major part of his anger towards pallavi was the sexual activity and not the shop treachery. Imo, he would have forgiven the shop/ accounts fraud with Pallavi's explanation if it was not colored with the sexual allegation on pallavi.

Originally posted by: BrhannadaArmour

Hello DaffodilsNew:

When Vijay threw Pallavi out, he didn't blame her for indecent sexual activity; he said that she was treacherous for showing him fake accounts (true), for acquiring the shop for herself (trick by Raghav), and for trying to register his business in her own name (fabrication by Raghav). Raghav's lewd talk and obscene photos were merely the how-it-happened of Pallavi's treachery. So, the comparison shouldn't be Amruta vs. Pallavi for sexual activity; it should be Sulochana vs. Pallavi for treachery.

Both Sulochana and Pallavi joined the family by marriage, but Vijay has to put up with Sulochana's troublemaking for the sake of her husband and children. Pallavi's alleged betrayal hurt Vijay more because he believed that she was a genuine person who appreciated his life's work and wanted to carry it on, not steal it from him. Pallavi's secrecy humiliated Vijay and shattered his trust; then Vijay did the same to her. He was wrong. In the moment that Vijay was ready to end his own life, and his heart was about to give out physically, he made the mistake of disowning Pallavi.

I won't deny that Vijay benefited from Pallavi paying the property tax, and he imposed on her for Mandar's recovery, but Vijay also works hard because he does not like to be dependent. I think he sincerely believes that if Pallavi left Raghav and rejoined the Deshmukh family, she would be more respectable and happier.

Hello Cinderella100:

Why should Vijay have believed Raghav's video of Sulochana confessing that she implicated Jaya and Kirti in something? The part of the video that Raghav played had not one word about prostitution or jail; Vijay had never heard of this incident before; Sulochana said that Raghav beat her to get that false confession; and indeed she was standing there covered in bruises. Raghav who says he lied about Pallavi is to be believed when he accuses Sulochana?

Anyway, even if Vijay had known what Raghav was talking about, Vijay is not responsible for how Raghav's police deal with a crime. Raghav had the confession and evidence to arrest Sulochana if he wanted to, but Raghav told Pallavi that he decided, since he had wronged Pallavi, he would tell the Deshmukhs the truth and let them punish Sulochana. Of course, Raghav's reasoning is nonsensical and he had no right to spare Sulochana; it should have been Kirti's decision.

Vijay never expressed the mentality that marriage is repentance for indiscretion. You are projecting. Vijay only said to Sharada that as elders, we should look at what we can do for Amruta. Who is the boy that impregnated her? Does he love her? Does she want to marry him and would she be happy with his family? These were Vijay's questions, not directives. In Pallavi's case, the answers were out in the open: Raghav is notorious for disrespecting women; Raghav says that he and Pallavi prefer sex without commitment; Pallavi says that Raghav harassed, kidnapped, and tried to kill her. Naturally, Vijay disapproved of Pallavi marrying Raghav and staying married to him.

Here's a parallel to "if Vijay had really showed an interest in his saree shop, Pallavi wouldn't have gotten away with showing him incorrect figures." If Raghav had really showed an interest in watching Kirti, if he had micromanaged her bodyguards, he would have known about Sunny, known that Kirti doesn't drive ... See how ridiculous it is? Delegation of work is not a character flaw, but if you think it is, let's give Vijay credit because he learned from his mistake of trusting Pallavi. After Mandar supposedly died and Vijay had his first heart attack, he took time to recover at home, but after his second heart attack and Nikhil's arrest, Vijay went back to work selling sarees on the street to provide for his family. Vijay is not exploitative; he's self-respecting.

As an expert weaver who has a loom set up in his home, Vijay probably continued to work after his first heart attack; he just entrusted the shop to Pallavi. After Vijay and Pallavi were interviewed on TV, Vijay came to the shop to help out, but he was needed at home before he could discover the skimpy clothes planted by Raghav and the real accounts concealed by Pallavi. So, Vijay made the effort, but luck was against him.

Vijay did not follow Pallavi to Raghav's house. Vijay just happened to see Pallavi leaving when he went there to warn Raghav after Raghav had trespassed in Pallavi's room and reached around her torso after she told him to leave.

Vijay's question to Krishna wasn't prurient. He was asking about the tenant-landlord relationship between Pallavi and Raghav. Krishna was uncomfortable because she knew that Raghav was torturing Pallavi, and Vijay would have protected his daughter, but Pallavi didn't want Vijay to know.