Portrayal of Raghav Rao and Inconsistencies - Page 5

Originally posted by: Vibrant_Ana

Thank you for the tag Sonia, Most of the illogical scenes are bhool bhool for me😊 I think everyone follows this mantra but sometimes you cant just do bhool bhool.

A shirtless R in P's company is justified due to the relationship between them. But other than that a No No for me. ITV is catering to the large teenage (??) female audience to garner more TRPs 👎🏼 by showing R shirtless. totally agree - it is bad

BWA and R scene - I cringed and actually FFd the entire scene, the same way I do for Mandy scenes. Same Same

D house entry, P not recognizing R - I am a married woman but am yet to recognize my hubby by his touch or smell LOL. Thanks for telling this - I am unmarried and hence people may hawa main filter my view on P's ability to recognize her husband. I am guessing R being nonchalant was shown in lightheartedness as you cannot have super hyper episodes. Already the Fire thing had happened. See, that is the problem. This track is not where you can show R being complacent. in all of 160 + episodes, these are the times when they are in most PHYSICAL danger. She was just almost KILLED. They are in the same house as that KILLER and she is pretending to be in LOVE with him. R needs to do more than wait for her to recognize him coz this is silly and childish in light of the situation.

All in all, I am not much perturbed by how the characters behave one day and certain way the next. We all react differently depending on the circumstances. Yes absolutely, you may find a certain episode problematic and I may find another. What is important is to be able to point out, discuss and understand each other. I am so glad you recognize the fact that even the audience can have a differing perspective.

At the end of the day for me R and P are beautiful characters who are not perfect like the rest of us. Totally agree, they are so beautiful and flawed and that is why they CONNECT with us.

Peace :-)

Responding on Sonia's behalf

Originally posted by: euphoric

Hola Pretty people... so this post is about Raghav, some concerns over his portrayal and things that don't fall in place with his character.

Caution: Healthy discussion is welcome, haters may avoid!

So it's been a couple of days that Ren, I and a bunch of our friends have been pondering over the inconsistencies that is seeping into Raghav's characters over the past few days. But today we had a trigger point with Sulo ogling over him.

Objectification of man or woman doesn't matter is always bad. And there have been too many scenes where shirtless Raghav makes an appearance which doesn't fit into the context. Shirtless Raghav while Pallavi comes in to meet is fine, that's how he's sleeps in his home. So it was fine but later that towel scene (he could have been in a bathrobe) or for that matter today in D house it was so not needed.

Sulo, a middle aged woman, mother of two grown up daughters, ogling a man fit to be her son's age. Sorry that's not what I don't think we can call funny. We feel creeped out when Mandar ogles at Pallavi, then why Sulo ogling at Raghav's naked torso is anything but crass! I don't even want to ask how would we react if there was a gender reversal there.

Some of us have complained about Pallavi not recognizing Raghav by his touch today. But is it in Raghav's character to dream about Pallavi when she is at danger in D house? I loved that scene too no doubt. Their chemistry is apt, its the USP of the show and we know need it for TRPs. But just to put things into perspective, this guy was so frustrated that he was brandishing a gun, punched Farhad and Amma had to fire a shot in air to make him even listen to her. And the next morning we find him day dreaming. He was so nonchalant unlike the Raghav who woke up from a nightmare after Mandar give him that stupid challenge.

Pallavi here had taken a risky chance when she sneaked out. If at all anyone would have found out about her escapade, she would have landed in a danger and Raghav wouldn't even know. Yet he was day dreaming about her like wifey has gone out for a vacation! Should I say he loves Pallavi less? Ofcourse not! It was the fault of the script and I wish they had incorporated the scene in a much better way.

Yeah i mentioned that in another post as well that when he woke up and saw her for real, he should have first of all been worried for her even after her explanation as to why she was out bcoz they both dont know how long mandhar was gone for. It could have been 10 mins and then what? Until Amma told them otherwise, they should have been anxious to maybe talk quick and make plans. There was no urgency at all. I get that we want Raghvi scenes and they need it for Trp so i guess they give us lollipop to keep us happy but while hugging and snuggling they could have discussed what next?

When he made this heroic entry in D house, I was expecting him to be more focused. He has entered a war zone after all. The aarti scene, the determined look on his face and the Tanaji background music accentuating the impact.

There I thought, when he was all by himself, he would ponder about the fire scare that burnt his hand and could have harmed Pallavi. But instead we saw him pondering over Pallavi not recognizing him. I missed that sharp focus of Raghav Rao here again.

Yes i thought about this as well. She almost got harmed and he couldn’t even call her or ask how she was and then went back and wondered why she didn’t recognize him. Totally lack of consistency here. I really thought he would go back and think about first of all Pallavi and how she is since she did faint and maybe ask Rama to go check on her or find a way to sneak and see how she is and then Rama stops him etc reminding about the plan. He then would look at his hand and maybe have a flashback as to the fire and how Pallavi looked at Mandhar and then think about what caused the fire as he could tell Pallavi was lying. So maybe he had to find out what happened etc. Just something along those lines. It is a serious issue, she could have been burnt somewhere and he wouldn’t know. I didn’t see the concern for her when he returned to the room. He was just thinking how come she didn’t recognize him.

Raghav has always been a no nonsense person. How he tackled Keerti while she asked for her happiness as a Rakhi gift was amazing. The toilet scene where Pallavi was acting stupid but Raghav was in charge of the situation was apt. Because that's how they are. He is in control and she is goofy. These things add depth to their characters and their portrayal.

I hope in desperation to add some comic relief with sprinklers of romance with a tadka of shirtless Rao... the makers don't take away these small nuances from the characters that sets them apart.

Over to you guys... would love to read your views 🤗

The ogling of sulo and hot chai etc is just pure comic relief. I mean she is married so likely nothing will come of it but a lot of middle age women do oggle at men and she doesnt know he is her daughter’s age. He looks a bit older so i guess she is having fun🤣

This part should just be taken lightly . It’s only for entertainment purposes. If the whole thing becomes serious then it just might get a bit boring so they have to add some fun moments.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by: Radiant_Eyes_

Raghav has no reservations about being shirtless; he sleeps shirtless, keeps few buttons of his shirt open, and so on.

Sakshi the point got a bit overboard when it became too casual and the thing of everyday. Especially when it stepped out of his bedroom. When he jumped out in towel holding it to stay in place, I was like there were female staff in the house too.

D house is not his comfort zone. Out of all the places on the planet, Raghav's antennas will be most active in D house. So it was out of place.

So that's fine, that's how his character was written, but they went far with the Sulochana being attracted towards Swapnil concept today.

Comments like "hot chai" and the OTT lustful looks she was giving were unnecessary in my opinion; it wasn't funny.

Imagine old man looking at girl enough to be his daughter like this 🤪.

💯 had that been the case, makers would have been wounded to a virtual death. They should know it was cheap. Sulo ke character assassin Kar diya.

Concept of Raghav using (direct/indirect) support of Deshmukh ladies against Mandaar was good but execution is clearly failing here 👎🏼.

Hai na... arre woh log waise hi cook ko, woh bhi 1+1 offer pe, sir pe baithani ko ready hain. Then why this nautanki?

Mansi and Sulochana getting impressed by Swapnil , his personality and career history was fine but today her ogling his body for most part of episode was crass 🤢.

Mansi was seemingly embarrassed at her mother's antics.

Raghav dreaming about Pallavi -

My interpretation- makers wanted to illustrate that Pallavi gives him solace, which is why he enjoys a good night's sleep these days as she visits him in his dreams.

He got a good night's sleep last time he was troubled (Vat savitri ) as he slept on her waist, and this time it was her dreams making up for Pallavi’s void.

That sure was a beautiful sequence But the moment his slumber broke, reality had hit him. That's what we felt off. Even in his subconcious he was aware that she is not really around. Yet it took time for reality to hit him. That's why thoda sa off laga. But you may be right.

But I’m disheartened by his behaviour today 🤔

Even Rama clearly told Raghav to tell Pallavi they’re here but Raghav didn’t do it ,because he was enjoying irritated Pallavi ? 🤷‍♀️

Pallavi constantly lives under fear and stress these days and recently experienced fright due to fire incident so she’ll obviously take time to process Swapnil’s presence.

True this. He should have comforted her. Asked her about the incident causing fire. He has started things on his own but it wouldn't have harmed to tell her.

Raghav could have also simply used code ILU when they were in kitchen . But he didn’t ?

(I have seen lot of criticism over Pallavi using or not using code language / verbally or non verbally expressing her love , didn’t see a thread on this today so saying it here 😆)

Convenience I say😆when do people need a reason to cricize Pallavi.

Why is Raghav wasting time to see if Pallavi recognises him ?

Can’t he simply inform her !

Time is of essence, isn’t it ?

I would simply say this is not the time of these silly games. And somehow it doesn't suit Raghav. He has always been on spot.

I personally won’t question his love for her, because unlike some I watch MHRW , love Raghvi and

I know Raghav and Pallavi love each other a lot .

Writers are failing to show it properly in their attempt to add other elements and such inconsistencies are disheartening!

So so true. It's not like they love each other any less. It's just that adding forced comedy scenes and not fitting thrill makes the script weak.

Thanks for the revert Sakshi 🤗

Originally posted by: Shri_12

Replies in red. Don't overthink, its just an ITV show 🤗 We know it is a TV show but that doesn't mean we should not talk or discuss about things we find problematic. How else do you expect to bring a change if things that are blatantly wrong are brushed under the rug in the name of entertainment, fiction or hawa main filter.

Objectification is bad, no doubt there. But objectification isn't because of clothes (or lack of it), its because of people's mentality. Objectification involves viewing and/or treating a person as an object, devoid of thought or feeling. Makers aren't objectyfing Raghav, audience are doing it, and not showing shirtless scenes is not going to change it.

Totally objectification is wrong and clothes don't matter. What matters is the person's feelings and the intent of the person ogling. In this context, objectification means treating R as a piece of eye-candy (for lack of a better word) to appease the fandom. If he is shown gyming or sleeping, I don't think most people would feel off about it... it would be considered as normal. However, if every other scene is shirtless then it is not just the audience at fault, it is also the makers who are purposely feeding it to the public.

Sulochana was wrong here, but I am letting it go for one episode. Hope they won't repeat it. However, the other characters, Raghav, Rama, Mansi did see her behaviour as inappropriate rather than funny. This is why I think this wasn't just for comic relief. Like some of us were discussing Sulochana is going to help Raghav to defeat Mandar, this is setting up the stage for that. Let's see what happens

yes, everyone on the screen also found her behaviour inappropriate. It was not funny at all. I dont think Sulo will help R just because she has a crush on his disguised version - Swapnil. Probably when M is a threat to her daughters she goes to R's side.

Raghav was dreaming about spending time with Pallavi. Don't we dream what we want? Raghav wants few uniterrupted, personal moments with her. Just because he had a good dream, it is wrong to conclude that he is not worried. "Mai aaj-kal late uthata hu", suggests that he may not sleep properly at night and in the wee hours only he is able to catch some sleep with sweet dreams. He knows that any anger is not going to get him anywhere (Amma and Farhad explained him). Raghav was unaware that Pallavi is going to visit. Even Pallavi didn't know that she would visit, it was unplanned, mauke pe chauka thing. Of course there is always scope for betterment.

Many people have pointed it out and I accept. I had a different opinion when I first watched it but what you said makes sense.

Here he knows that the culprit is Mandar. He was constantly looking for opportunity to tell Pallavi, but he didn't wanted to reveal in front of Amruta. Only after the situation calmed down he thought about Pallavi not recognizing him.

He didn't have a chance in the first scene but he had a proper change in the kitchen scene but R was more interested to know if P recognized him or not. That was really off-putting for us. When they are in a war zone, safety should be of prime importance than some silly games and pranks. She is under so much mental pressure, seeing R would have given her so much peace but alas

Originally posted by: euphoric

why are u responding to me when we have discussed all this and more over WA throughout the day. But anyways here goes

Ren this so reminds me of older times. Pages on pages we use to have such intense discussions. Yes totally, what fun it was to read pages after pages on fictional characters. Hum kitne velle hua karte the 🤪but those times were different, we were different :)

True. The show is being consumed by audiences and though we may over look it as the overall viewing experience but still it's important to register and acknowledge what's ok and what's not.

Jo galat hai woh galat hai and it is not that we point things out everyday na.

Exactly! The question is why? If the script demands go for it but just for the heck of glamor quotient

Didn't we call these scenes as lollipop scenes or those are only restricted to romantic scenes.... Do you remember NPM??? Should we call this as NPR???

Yes. There's so much more to his personality than simply putting him on display. This happens in other shows too but I think MHRW it's like everyday.

Yes, he is more than his body. We love him as a whole package and not just one aspect of him. I know it is there in all shows - actually I read an article of a ML where he said how uncomfortable he was with this roz ka stripping (I think it was Arjun Bijlani but I dont recollect) and that is when it struck me ki it is wrong.

Hai na... she is the mother of two daughters. She should be the one pointing it out to him to behave instead she is going all googly eyes. What for? They needed a cook... if they wanted to show sulo supporting it could be for the need of the hour that she may have to cook if not for the cook. Why that hawt tea and background score. It's NOT funny

Ofcourse koi aur hota would say we have young girls in the house. please cover yourself up, this is not decent - P said the same thing today. Absolutely, they need a cook and that is why she is supportive of Swapnil, they didn't need to take this route

This duality bothers me. Why can't we appreciate Pallavi's efforts? Misogyny is a problem and just having one sided perspective is so not fair. I don't judge their love for each other. They need and deserve each other! Bas! Thodi tight script could do wonders.

Raghvi love each other equally - agar people say kam zyada I don't know what to say to them except P ka kutta doggy - R ka kutta Tommy (this to be taken in the meme joke way and not offensively - disclaimer so no one takes it out of context)

He should hv told her. Atleast after first hand witnessing her torment. The day before he got wild when she told him tht mandar tried pulling a dirty trick on her. And today he didn't try to find how her saree caught fire??

Totally, he knew M was responsile for the fire but he didnt bother to ask her how she is, did she sleep well. Matlab trauma kya hota hai. This reminded me of the stupid memory loss prank he played on P. Matlab usko har jagah se people are torturing mentally.

Arre even he didn't recognize her eyes when she covered her face na. So what? Theek hai... He had met her only 2-3 times then so I don't hold it against him. But make him stand between a handful of women and see if he recognizes her disguise if her obvious markers aren't there.... reminds me of JA scene <3

Exactly. They love each other equally. They need for each other is existential. You can take them away from each other and expect the other to be happy. They know what they are... they stand up for each other... knows the strengths and flaws of each other. And that's what makes them what they are.

WORD. I am so happy to have you with me on this journey. You are the humsafar jiski mujhe humesha talash thi :P

PS: Please check your PM maine kabse bhej rakha hai

Originally posted by: RainbowUnicorm

Thanks for the much needed post about male objectification. This was a glaring issue in my mind as well, me being mother of two growing boys myself , I would hate them to be objectified just as we dislike girls being used for that. I didn't speak much about it because with changing tracks and inconsistencies that you are rightfully observing, I am only sticking to do writeups on scenes that I really like and ignoring -hawa mein filtering others. Honestly, we have also been doing hawa main filter a lot of such scenes but today the episode just didnt sit right with us. When we got to discussing we realized this post was important and are happy to see such amazing views which match and contradict ours. Totally onboard with your views on the male objectification.

About objectification

However the issue exists as you pointed out and this is a much needed discussion. RR/Sai Ketan being shirtless when he lived alone was different. Now he lives with mother , sister and wife. Now for him to roam about in towel was not in good taste. His shirtless avtaar should be limited to bedroom with Pallavi , or in gym. Yes, the towel scene didn't sit well with me. It seemed they were going for the comedy aspect but I guess I am weird that I didnt find that scene funny AT ALL. He being shirtless in gym or bedroom is totally ok and has never been the issue or pointed out.

With Sulo- what I did not understand is, someone knocked the door, RR knows there is majority womenfolk at Ds. Wouldnt it be more decent for him to cover up before Rama opened the door? This was the same RR who was annoyed with being trapped in ladies restroom even though he was only with Pallavi in the cubicle. Here, one can argue he went on to put a shirt but yes, it should have been done before the door was opened. Just because you are a man or despite your own comfort at being shirtless, you cant roam shirtless in someone else's house (even if the room is yours) specially when there is someone at the door. I will give Sulo some grace point here because even though we all feel its yucky that she is ogling at a guy fit to be her son, she doesnt know that its Raghav, or the age of the cook they have hired. Irrespective of the age or the relation, I still feel it was crap because she did see him as a piece of candy. If it was an unrelated man, close to Sulo's age she was ogling at, it would still make me uncomfortable. The only place this is acceptable is if she's in a relationship with that man (lovers) or that he is approving her advances - CONSENT plays a key role here.His getup makes him look older ....but still her blatant ogling and hot chai references were not funny , it was cringeworthy. Agree it was cringe Esp since we all know its Raghav. Imagine when Sulo comes to know its Raghav..it will be so embarrassing for Mansi, Amruta, Pallavi , Kaka, Raghav and her . I hope they don't overdo this..if it leads to Sulo urging Kaka to excerise and Kaka learning gymming from Swapnil it would be okay. Beyond that, I will need to FF it. I hope they tone it down as well. I will be FFing these scenes as they dont sit well with me.

I also had found the Mandar massage distastefully picturized even if it was that neighbour Akka massaging. Not sure ,but just because the show has female audience and teenage audience, the makers are going overboard with the male torsos available for display and its tasteless. They could have shown the massage with shirt on, or limited it to the back. Anyway less said about it the better. Yes, that scene was awful as well. They showed it in much detail. Sometimes it is important the makers realise that they dont need to show every scene in detail. You can leave somethings to the imagination by either verbalizing it or indicating it...as long as it is conveyed to the audience. Liplocks for example :) There were many such distasteful scenes of M trying to get close to P - they need to really tone it down as the audience has understood M is the villian and he is obsessed etc...reinforce karne ki zarurat nai hai.

I will go a step further, and hope that they dont make Pallavi's sarees more transparent. Couple of her sarees recently I have not been liking because they were too transparent showing off her blouse through. I know we want to see Pallu's good figure , Shivangi has lovely figure but sarees can be classy without being too transparent. This is a form of objectification too, which they are doing within the boundary of her wardrobe. I don't think I have much issue with the transparency of her sarees... the blouse is such that it doesn't make it look vulgar. As long as P is comfortable I am ok.

About Inconsistencies :

II personally do not like trigger happy Raghav who cannot do anything other than give empty threats of wanting to end it all with Mandar with a bullet. Thats the most helpless man I see. Not the don of Hyderabad, who could have used law and police to his advantage- Pallavi is still his legal wife and he has a right to be where she is. Also hiring detectives to put behind Sunny, Keerti and Mandar and finding out what they are upto . And if he wanted to meet Pallavi, all he had to do was to get Mandar kidnapped for a day. Simple. For the kind of things we saw him doing all these six months, him not doing any of the above but simple threatening his mother /wife that he will use his gun was like...dude....do you need a reboot or what. Just few weeks back this man was crying at the thought that he might have killed Mandar in the accident . What they are doing is treating R as any other ITV ML character but R was always shown to be smart, cunning and bending the law to get his way. I agree he has been out of his element to make way for this track. I still believe we will see M and Sunny 2 steps ahead in this chase but right at the end they may show Raghvi were smarter all along. It makes no sense to me that R who hired the best private detective in Lion case would not do anything like this when clearly they need to find proofs of Devyani murder by M to put him behind bars. The reason P is staying at D house is not because M is threatening her but because they need him to be complacent so Raghvi can find proof in the meantime. Warna how difficult it is for R to shred him to pieces for eyeing P. I hope these inconsistencies are rectified - it spoils the viewing experience at times.

He had tracked Sunny's phone earlier. Now he cannot tap Mandar's phone? Keerti's phone? Even after Pallavi told him that he pushed Aai from top and killed Devayani? He didnt use inspector Swami to dig up details? Audience would love the smart RR back! Not the one who just give empty threats!

Yes agree, hope we get to see that he has done something. It has been a day and half since P told him about the murder. Also, we did see him install the microphones and he did record M ka conversation so we cant discount that

And the morning scene- it was funny to me when people complained of lack of intensity and chemistry from Pallavi's side in the bedroom romance when she visited Raghav in bedroom in the morning. 🤣I am like she didn't leave her paralyzed Aai, dressed up as Amruta and come on sly to meet Raghav for bedroom romance .( facepalm) She came because she needed his strength, his warmth, his assurance , his protection. She came because he is her only goto person. She came because she belonged in the house now which she missed. I agree. That was not the time to romance, she came because he is her safe space. Raghav tried to distract her with bedroom eyes and it was perfect from his side, the right thing to do for a moment and it worked, she turned to him like sunflower with a smile...temporarily forgetting her problems. But no way she was not there for a sexy hanky panky..her frame of mind would not be there.So what they portrayed with Pallavi not totally into it was apt. I agree... it was more about his assurance that he will find a way to come to her and for her it was more about being able to just get that breathing space out of the mad house. People should be glad P is not the coy shy I TV female lead. She takes initiative and clearly tells him that she likes his beard etc. That is why this was different from the red saree photo shoot deckup time ..where both of them were in right spirit for romance. Agree. Different situations, different intensity.

Infact his mother and wife have used more sense.!! Mom arranged for Mandar to go away and wife used the opportunity to come meet him. Amma has always been the most sensible Rao. Hope they show us more than eye and arm candy Raghav! When she was about to tell Raghav about what Mandar did the night before , he went trigger happy again..wanting to go shoot him. I know and that is why Sonia and I were worried at his reaction to see her Pallu burning. We were so anxious that he may drop his guard but luckily he didn't leave character. This over the top reaction will only cause Pallavi to not tell him stuff that might cause such reactions. He needs to hold it until she tells him everything and then , use strategies to either keep her in RR mansion , or send her to Ds with protection- new phone, gps with her permission, microphones so she can communicate with him. He runs a jewellery empire for god sake. He can easily plant people around D house for Pallavi's protection. Also he knows Amrutha is on Pallavi side . Would have been nice to see him teach Pallavi on how to use the gun, even with fake bullets, for a few times , so she can protect herself and keep Mandar at bay if needed. The best way to protect someone is to teach them how to protect themselves, and how to call for help when needed. I agree with everything you said, while P is a smarty pants, there is a possibility that M overpowers her (despite her judo karate skills). He is physically strong with no moral compass. He is dangerous. They need to change tactics to overpower this man. So far R has only come to D house and installed microphone, I am waiting to see what more he does. Considering he is a don and so influential, I have very high expectations (makers don't disappoint)

Now that Raghav has donned Swapnil Avtaar , his urgency would be to tell Pallavi that he is there and she is not alone. But he chooses to rile her and enjoy the nok jhok audience enjoying it too. I guess its to give the drama element. This is just like his memory loss prank. Totally insensitive given the circumstances

Anyway, we all know both Raghav and Pallavi are smart people and script makes them dumb at times to elevate other characters. Hope they find a good balance here. Trying to find too much logic is a problem with ITV. Some episodes are meant as timepass and entertainment and we can overlook certain inconsistencies. As long as they are not prolonged and they don't make Raghav or Pallavi look too dumb. The mad rush for TRP and comparison with other shows ( most other shows have over the top characters, making fun of gay characters , meaningless rifts , khandani fights et- all I find MHRW still much much better than those) so some days they being these unexpected elements. But its fairplay in the world of TV.!!

Fingers crossed! Totally agreed that in comparison to other shows out there MHRW is miles ahead. It is the only show I am watching with so much focus and heart. makers need to find a good balance but flows instead of looking too disjointed and out of place.

Usually follow the mantra of hawa main filter coz of all the reasons you mentioned but sometimes it is important to provide feedback so that necessary changes are brought. This is not done to bring down the team or undermine their efforts but just to give them a direction to bring an improvement.

my responses in red. Thanks for taking the time out to write such a detailed response. I have tried to respond to all your points. It was great to read your thought process,

Agreed with the objectifying part. It was damn cringey. I had to skip through those parts. I understand the need to show the male lead's physique.. but you are right in the regard that they are over doing it. They really don't need to sexualize Raghav. Its weird and unnecessary.

As for recognizing Raghav. It would have logically been very easy for her to recognize though. I mean not by touch perhaps but his looks were enough. Even with the mask and eye patch... a person can very easily be identified by the eye. Pallavi has seen his bare torso... and she could have seen the exposed skin through the shirt. That was easily understood. The height, body shape and language, the eye... everything screams RR.

And then the fact he told he'll come for her, to be ready that morning itself must have been there in the back of her mind. So i believe technically she must have recognized him. But ofcourse even if she didn't.. can't blame her.. almost burning might send your senses haywire. And her ability to recognize her husband proves nothing of her love for him.

Equading that with this would be plain ridiculous.

Having said that, I believe it wasn't too incosistent of Raghav to dream about Pallavi that morning. He was always shown to be impulsive. One moment he is furious and the next he's thoughtful. One moment he is rude and insensitive and the next moment he us caring. He might have lost his cool in a fit of temper the previous night but he must have realized Amma's and Farhaad's concerns and calmed himself down before going to bed.

These are my two cents. No offense to anyone.

Originally posted by: unicornwriter

I would start by thanking you to actually write down a post regarding this issue. I don't say that i completely agree with all of your points but with some i do. Thanks for taking the time out to read and reply.

When i first saw that scene between Raghav and Kaku in today's episode i was actually confused about how it made me feel ; was it diappointing for me or cringy because for sure i wasn't able to connect with it in a funny way. It took me time to process my feelings as well. I usually tend to filter it out but when I was discussing with Sonia it felt icky. It felt somewhat similar to what i raised my opinion on last night, when in the previous episode Mandaar stuffed a whole laddoo in Pallavi's mouth. It was disappointing and disgusting. This scene didn't sit well with me either but since it was in character of M, I didn't take it so seriously. We have seen him doing worse things so this was nothing in comparison (not saying it makes it ok) In a similar opinion today when Sulochna kaku was oogling Raghav it felt disgusting. I mean it might look funny to some people but to me i coudn't help but imagine a role reversal scenario where an old uncle might be oogling at a young girl. It waved chills down my spine and i realised that people don't actually care about a male's perspective in such scenarios. It's like, see this guy is hot and then people objectify him into various forms. Absolutely, it is unfortunate, we see an issue only from the lens of what if the genders were reversed. It is wrong irrespective of gender.

Watching Raghav shirtless, ofcourse i like that but in a limit because i haven't signed up to watch a guy shirtless in every episode specially around a hell lot of people who then later oogle at him with open mouths. He's shirtless infront of his wife, gymming or in his bedroom while sleeping; i would absolutely love that but him running around the house in a towel or an aged women checking him out. Nope that's a big no no from my side. The towel scene didn't go well with me either as it was irrelevant to the script. He could have very well been in a bathrobe. Plus I didn't even find that scene funny. Scenes on the bed, in front of his wife, having a bath, swimming, gymming all are ok when he is shirtless because they make sense in context of what is shown - agree with you here. Sulo checking him out was totally unnecessary and cheap.

About the morning scene i kinda have to disagree because i think Amma had calmed him down enough and then again Pallavi is his anchor now. She makes him at peace, just like the times he slept on her lap, a peaceful sleep after ages or when he slept on her waist after a tiring and traumatizing day. And in the current scenario when she is not physically around, he's taken upon himself to imagine her in order to get that peace back into his life so him waking up in a jolly mood and acting cute was completely alright for me. He imagined her, she calmed his senses and then he woke up to her fragrance and warmth. All worries gone. Accept your point on this - a lot of people pointed it out and we misjudged.

But i do object at people expecting Pallavi to recognize him by his touch because in real life we don't, specially not the person who has recently been traumatized. Trust me when i say this, because i have felt it. Got traumatized by an incident and now even if my mom suddenly touches me, i freak out. Also we remember people by their face ; which in this scenario he's completely changes, by their eyes ; his one eye is actually covered here , their cologne ; well alot of people use the same one , by voice ; he's acting a mute person here but definitely not by touch cause you don't go saying , hey this is my mom's touch or this is my dad's touch or this is you know my someone special's touch. I hope you are in a happy place now. I agree with your points about touch - it is not easily recognizable. Smell - may be. Voice - may be more. But again expecting P to recognize R just by his touch or smell is too much. She is not mentally in that frame of mind plus R is properly disguised.

The writer's have been butchering the characters since a long time. Initially they turned Keerti negative, K is not a lead so her contrived shift didn't matter much plus there was a half-baked reason that she is crazily in love with Sunny who is a master manipulator. then they showed Pallavi act like a dumb person which from the very start of the show she never was ; the way she tackled alot of people specially Raghav is an example in itself ;Yes, it was unbearable to see her pyar vs farz dilemma. Few places it could be justified but few times it just went illogical and totally out of character. Glad the makers changed it before much damage was done. and now they're butchering Raghav into a romance freak who wants to flirt with his wife ; accepted but he can do that after revealing his identity too, or he wants to irritate her ; dude she's living under threat and major emotional abuse so please refrain from playing pranks or games. rather than giguring out the truth he wanna play the ' how well does my wife know me' game, excume me this is not our Raghav. Yes, she is emotionally stressed and tortured (in her own words)and R is playing games with her doesn't sit well with me - totally out of character to give some romantic scenes (didn't feel any romance_ or comic relief (didn't see that either).

Raghav is a sharp man with skills that have been super fabulous during previous tracks special the Lion one. He has a set of understanding the situation and tackling such scenarios because he is into smuggling and a bit of illegal working, and not to forget he must be keeping tabs on his rivals. Yes, waiting to see him tackle the situation much better than any other ITV Lead coz RR is much better than those.

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Originally posted by: Viewpoint

While I chuckled when Sulo saw Raghav, I know it is problematic. See, our society never recognizes the fact that men also deserve privacy and respect. We see it everywhere. A good example, as I always say, is how fangirls behave with their fav male actors. They objectify him to no end, and if they meet in person, they often jump and kiss him on the cheeks. Did anyone ask him if he's comfortable? Many women think that male actors must be loving it, but I'm sure they are uncomfortable. There should be dignity in what one says to their fav actor and how they interact with him because "uski izzat bhi izzat hai". Imagine if this situation was reversed? I can only imagine the outburst.

As for Raghav's character inconsistencies, I agree. On ITV, a character starts off so well, the writers draft an entire manual of how it is meant to go. Then the TRP pressure spoils it all. I applaud Sai for carrying himself with so much poise. I'm sure he must be feeling that a Don doesn't behave this way.

At the end of show's actors tend to get frustrated because what they signed up for and what they get towards the end is different, rather poles apart.

As for FL, I feel sorry for them because they get nothing but a sanskari bahu to play.

Yes ITV has its own stereotypes and they are not ready to look beyond that. That's why it's loosing it's appeal. For many TRP audience TV is a part of daily routine but that doesn't discount the fact that they Still need to be responsible.

Real life actor and actress both get harassed. Fan girls most of the times forget their limits and embarrasses their own favorites. That's definitely not something I ever advocate.

Needless to say Raghav so far is still one of the most balanced ML. And Sai is doing a great job there.

Originally posted by: farheenbachani

The ogling of sulo and hot chai etc is just pure comic relief. I mean she is married so likely nothing will come of it but a lot of middle age women do oggle at men and she doesnt know he is her daughter’s age. He looks a bit older so i guess she is having fun🤣 It is not funny when the genders are reversed. Hence, I don't think it is a light topic when such scenes are shown. It can get uncomfortable to viewers

This part should just be taken lightly . It’s only for entertainment purposes. If the whole thing becomes serious then it just might get a bit boring so they have to add some fun moments. I know the makers was to add fun elements to bring about a balance but there can be several other ways to do that... this is not the one.

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Yeah i mentioned that in another post as well that when he woke up and saw her for real, he should have first of all been worried for her even after her explanation as to why she was out bcoz they both dont know how long mandhar was gone for. It could have been 10 mins and then what? Until Amma told them otherwise, they should have been anxious to maybe talk quick and make plans. There was no urgency at all. I get that we want Raghvi scenes and they need it for Trp so i guess they give us lollipop to keep us happy but while hugging and snuggling they could have discussed what next

Yes, it was slightly off but I can excuse it to being just woken from sleep and disoriented. P did lateron tell him about what M was going to do. Lollipop scenes hi hai with no flow and consistency - but it is important because otherwise what respite viewers have?

Yes i thought about this as well. She almost got harmed and he couldn’t even call her or ask how she was and then went back and wondered why she didn’t recognize him. Totally lack of consistency here. I really thought he would go back and think about first of all Pallavi and how she is since she did faint and maybe ask Rama to go check on her or find a way to sneak and see how she is and then Rama stops him etc reminding about the plan. He then would look at his hand and maybe have a flashback as to the fire and how Pallavi looked at Mandhar and then think about what caused the fire as he could tell Pallavi was lying. So maybe he had to find out what happened etc. Just something along those lines. It is a serious issue, she could have been burnt somewhere and he wouldn’t know. I didn’t see the concern for her when he returned to the room. He was just thinking how come she didn’t recognize him.

There was a monologue and R knows it was M who caused the fire but yes he should have been more worried about how she is doing. The concern was also missing the next day and all he bothered was to rile her up and being upset that she didn't recognize him.