Portrayal of Raghav Rao and Inconsistencies - Page 4

Originally posted by: drnidsur

Both of you have raised some brilliant points here 🤗 Thanks for taking the time to read Twinniee

Things which I feel deeply about-

1. The objectification of ml is too much sometimes - he used to be shirtless in scenes even from the start many times ; when required - he sleeps that way and he prefers it - all those parts were absolutely okay for me that's raghav but that space shouldn't be breached - like woman doesn't deseve to be looked at in a bad light , a man deserves the same respect for his private space , I genuinely feel for the actor and raghav bcus I love him and sometimes it might get uncomfortable for him when people breach the line on sns We never raised an objection to date. While I wasn't active here, that thought never crossed my mind because he was in his home among his people, those scenes were relevant but now it is going overboard. Every other episode, we see him without his shirt (when it is out of context, it shouldn't be done). I hope Sai is not too uncomfortable enacting such scenes (again the ones that are out of context) as well as how social media and fans react to him being shirtless. How wrong it is for a woman to be seen in such light, it equally is wrong for the man.
2. The sulo angle : totally wrong ! There is such a variation in age groups of who all watch the show and this doesn't come across as funny at all to me(atleast) . The words which were used or the expressions - not something to portray on National tv ; sends such a derogatory message across I totally agree that this sends a very wrongmesage. You know Nids, I have been part of the forums earlier and I was part of the problem as well. I have learnt over the years how wrong it was - the books I read, the people I met made me realize that such things are not funny. I really hope the makers tone this down in future warna FF karna padega. I hope people who found this funny will reflect eventually and realize how deeply problematic this is (like I did)
3. One thing I would add - some lines against the LGBTQ community : parts which have been now removed from hs - I am glad they removed it , the community is trying hard to make space in our society and anything which makes fun of it shouldn't be encouraged at all . Yes, those were totally uncalled for and I am happy they were deleted. I am a supporter and when I saw those episodes it didn't sit well with me. In fact I don't think our show should try comedy if they end up doing offensive scenes to bring in the comedy.

Having said all of this , as a Raghvi fan I love the show to bits❤️ , but I wish the show considers these points as sometimes the social message sent across might impact the way people think , which isn't a good path . This I agree with again. I love this show too much to stop watching but sometimes it is important to raise our voice even for that 1 person whose mind you are able to possibly change. Like someone changed my views for the better, We hope (including Soni as well) that this brings a fresh perspective to anyone who reads.

My replies in red. Thanks for reading and commenting

Originally posted by: Srijeeta06

Having said above whatever I did

I am not supporting Raghav neither am I disrespecting Pallavi or your opinion for that matter

I just tried to understand why he did what they did

And certainly don’t mean to offend you by any means ❤️

Sonia messaged me she is busy so I am replying in her stead.

Your point on objectification and creepiness of Sulo is absolutely bang-on. The yardstick should be the same irrespective of gender.

I accept your argument on the sleep issue and willing to let it slide as possible.

On the recognizing point, when he first stepped in the D house, she just suffered from a massive trauma. She could have been burnt alive - it was not a small incident. So expecting her to recognize her would be too much. Also, he had the chance to tell her today morning in the kitchen scene coz it was only them and Rama but he wanted to see her riled up. In any other circumstance, I would have agreed but they are in the war zone with enemies around them. His first instinct should have been to tell her he is here so she gets some relief. Anyways, hoping to see a smarter Raghav in the coming days. I am happy he installed the microphone in the rooms and is on their tail. This is the Raghav we know and love.

Originally posted by: Srijeeta06

Having said above whatever I did

I am not supporting Raghav neither am I disrespecting Pallavi or your opinion for that matter

I just tried to understand why he did what they did

And certainly don’t mean to offend you by any means ❤️

Srijeeta 🤗

I and I can safely speak for Ren too here that we are suckers for such intense discussions. And you have put some very rational points.

So no, I am not at all offended.

Difference of opinions infact gives new perspectives which are amazing to read.

Originally posted by: euphoric

Hola Pretty people... so this post is about Raghav, some concerns over his portrayal and things that don't fall in place with his character.

Caution: Healthy discussion is welcome, haters may avoid!

So it's been a couple of days that Ren, I and a bunch of our friends have been pondering over the inconsistencies that is seeping into Raghav's characters over the past few days. But today we had a trigger point with Sulo ogling over him.

Objectification of man or woman doesn't matter is always bad. And there have been too many scenes where shirtless Raghav makes an appearance which doesn't fit into the context. Shirtless Raghav while Pallavi comes in to meet is fine, that's how he's sleeps in his home. So it was fine but later that towel scene (he could have been in a bathrobe) or for that matter today in D house it was so not needed.

Sulo, a middle aged woman, mother of two grown up daughters, ogling a man fit to be her son's age. Sorry that's not what I don't think we can call funny. We feel creeped out when Mandar ogles at Pallavi, then why Sulo ogling at Raghav's naked torso is anything but crass! I don't even want to ask how would we react if there was a gender reversal there.

Some of us have complained about Pallavi not recognizing Raghav by his touch today. But is it in Raghav's character to dream about Pallavi when she is at danger in D house? I loved that scene too no doubt. Their chemistry is apt, its the USP of the show and we know need it for TRPs. But just to put things into perspective, this guy was so frustrated that he was brandishing a gun, punched Farhad and Amma had to fire a shot in air to make him even listen to her. And the next morning we find him day dreaming. He was so nonchalant unlike the Raghav who woke up from a nightmare after Mandar give him that stupid challenge.

Pallavi here had taken a risky chance when she sneaked out. If at all anyone would have found out about her escapade, she would have landed in a danger and Raghav wouldn't even know. Yet he was day dreaming about her like wifey has gone out for a vacation! Should I say he loves Pallavi less? Ofcourse not! It was the fault of the script and I wish they had incorporated the scene in a much better way.

When he made this heroic entry in D house, I was expecting him to be more focused. He has entered a war zone after all. The aarti scene, the determined look on his face and the Tanaji background music accentuating the impact.

There I thought, when he was all by himself, he would ponder about the fire scare that burnt his hand and could have harmed Pallavi. But instead we saw him pondering over Pallavi not recognizing him. I missed that sharp focus of Raghav Rao here again.

Raghav has always been a no nonsense person. How he tackled Keerti while she asked for her happiness as a Rakhi gift was amazing. The toilet scene where Pallavi was acting stupid but Raghav was in charge of the situation was apt. Because that's how they are. He is in control and she is goofy. These things add depth to their characters and their portrayal.

I hope in desperation to add some comic relief with sprinklers of romance with a tadka of shirtless Rao... the makers don't take away these small nuances from the characters that sets them apart.

Over to you guys... would love to read your views 🤗

Thanks for the much needed post about male objectification. This was a glaring issue in my mind as well, me being mother of two growing boys myself , I would hate them to be objectified just as we dislike girls being used for that. I didn't speak much about it because with changing tracks and inconsistencies that you are rightfully observing, I am only sticking to do writeups on scenes that I really like and ignoring -hawa mein filtering others.

About objectification

However the issue exists as you pointed out and this is a much needed discussion. RR/Sai Ketan being shirtless when he lived alone was different. Now he lives with mother , sister and wife. Now for him to roam about in towel was not in good taste. His shirtless avtaar should be limited to bedroom with Pallavi , or in gym.

With Sulo- what I did not understand is, someone knocked the door, RR knows there is majority womenfolk at Ds. Wouldnt it be more decent for him to cover up before Rama opened the door? This was the same RR who was annoyed with being trapped in ladies restroom even though he was only with Pallavi in the cubicle. I will give Sulo some grace point here because even though we all feel its yucky that she is ogling at a guy fit to be her son, she doesnt know that its Raghav, or the age of the cook they have hired. His getup makes him look older ....but still her blatant ogling and hot chai references were not funny , it was cringeworthy. Esp since we all know its Raghav. Imagine when Sulo comes to know its Raghav..it will be so embarrassing for Mansi, Amruta, Pallavi , Kaka, Raghav and her . I hope they don't overdo this..if it leads to Sulo urging Kaka to excerise and Kaka learning gymming from Swapnil it would be okay. Beyond that, I will need to FF it.

I also had found the Mandar massage distastefully picturized even if it was that neighbour Akka massaging. Not sure ,but just because the show has female audience and teenage audience, the makers are going overboard with the male torsos available for display and its tasteless. They could have shown the massage with shirt on, or limited it to the back. Anyway less said about it the better.

I will go a step further, and hope that they dont make Pallavi's sarees more transparent. Couple of her sarees recently I have not been liking because they were too transparent showing off her blouse through. I know we want to see Pallu's good figure , Shivangi has lovely figure but sarees can be classy without being too transparent. This is a form of objectification too, which they are doing within the boundary of her wardrobe.

About Inconsistencies :

II personally do not like trigger happy Raghav who cannot do anything other than give empty threats of wanting to end it all with Mandar with a bullet. Thats the most helpless man I see. Not the don of Hyderabad, who could have used law and police to his advantage- Pallavi is still his legal wife and he has a right to be where she is. Also hiring detectives to put behind Sunny, Keerti and Mandar and finding out what they are upto . And if he wanted to meet Pallavi, all he had to do was to get Mandar kidnapped for a day. Simple. For the kind of things we saw him doing all these six months, him not doing any of the above but simple threatening his mother /wife that he will use his gun was like...dude....do you need a reboot or what. Just few weeks back this man was crying at the thought that he might have killed Mandar in the accident .

He had tracked Sunny's phone earlier. Now he cannot tap Mandar's phone? Keerti's phone? Even after Pallavi told him that he pushed Aai from top and killed Devayani? He didnt use inspector Swami to dig up details? Audience would love the smart RR back! Not the one who just give empty threats!

And the morning scene- it was funny to me when people complained of lack of intensity and chemistry from Pallavi's side in the bedroom romance when she visited Raghav in bedroom in the morning. 🤣I am like she didn't leave her paralyzed Aai, dressed up as Amruta and come on sly to meet Raghav for bedroom romance .( facepalm) She came because she needed his strength, his warmth, his assurance , his protection. She came because he is her only goto person. She came because she belonged in the house now which she missed. Raghav tried to distract her with bedroom eyes and it was perfect from his side, the right thing to do for a moment and it worked, she turned to him like sunflower with a smile...temporarily forgetting her problems. But no way she was not there for a sexy hanky panky..her frame of mind would not be there.So what they portrayed with Pallavi not totally into it was apt. That is why this was different from the red saree photo shoot deckup time ..where both of them were in right spirit for romance.

Infact his mother and wife have used more sense.!! Mom arranged for Mandar to go away and wife used the opportunity to come meet him. Hope they show us more than eye and arm candy Raghav! When she was about to tell Raghav about what Mandar did the night before , he went trigger happy again..wanting to go shoot him. This over the top reaction will only cause Pallavi to not tell him stuff that might cause such reactions. He needs to hold it until she tells him everything and then , use strategies to either keep her in RR mansion , or send her to Ds with protection- new phone, gps with her permission, microphones so she can communicate with him. He runs a jewellery empire for god sake. He can easily plant people around D house for Pallavi's protection. Also he knows Amrutha is on Pallavi side . Would have been nice to see him teach Pallavi on how to use the gun, even with fake bullets, for a few times , so she can protect herself and keep Mandar at bay if needed. The best way to protect someone is to teach them how to protect themselves, and how to call for help when needed.

Now that Raghav has donned Swapnil Avtaar , his urgency would be to tell Pallavi that he is there and she is not alone. But he chooses to rile her and enjoy the nok jhok audience enjoying it too. I guess its to give the drama element.

Anyway, we all know both Raghav and Pallavi are smart people and script makes them dumb at times to elevate other characters. Hope they find a good balance here. Trying to find too much logic is a problem with ITV. Some episodes are meant as timepass and entertainment and we can overlook certain inconsistencies. As long as they are not prolonged and they don't make Raghav or Pallavi look too dumb. The mad rush for TRP and comparison with other shows ( most other shows have over the top characters, making fun of gay characters , meaningless rifts , khandani fights et- all I find MHRW still much much better than those) so some days they being these unexpected elements. But its fairplay in the world of TV.!!

Fingers crossed!

Originally posted by: Niaaa10

Thank you for the tag ♥️

Well I completely agree about objectification of men not only MHRW but in other shows and movies as well. First of all, thanks for reading and commenting. Yes, the objectification isn't limited to our show but there everywhere. ITV specially does it to the male leads a lot and I have noticed it since years. Hence, I have accordingly pointed it out.

It was totally creepy on Sulochana's part to ogle on his body and then openly eye him in front of her daughters. And truly said if genders are reversed that will be termed as harrasment but just because it's other way round it has been taken as comedy.

Objectification of both men and women is equally wrong and it's high time it should stop. totally agree, This has nothing to do with gender. What is wrong is wrong. I wish the makers tone this down soon

Now coming to the inconsistencies of the characters I don't think too much into that because at the end of the day it's an ITV show and they have to deliver 6 episodes a week and have to keep changing according to the taste of audience with the sword of TRP hanging on their head. If anything is too much out of character I just skip that part and hawa mein filter it & move on with the show. Nia, I agree that it is a TV show and they have lots of issues to deal with and top of that TRP sword hanging. That is the reason you will never see me comment on smaller issues (this post is rare and we may not make one for days) but when the issues are important I feel I should raise my voice. I have always been vocal when things matter.

See, even I hawa main filter a lot of things but if you see this post, most of the things we have pointed out are so relevant. I really hope the makers get this feedback so that they can take corrective steps. I care a lot about this show and will be watching it years down the line. Hence, I want them to be mindful of things that they show. If the audience didn't pass on the feedback about the pyar vs farz track, we would still be talking about what P is doing is wrong to R. Hence, passing on constructive feedback becomes relevant. We have the means today to reach the creatives, pehle we had no choice but to switch the channel, why not use the opportunity now.

I watch whole episode on my first watch and after that watch only RaghVi and some other good scenes on repeat so don't bother about the context of it and what happened before and after that. 😅 Even I watch the full episode and then Raghvi scenes (solo or joint) on loop.

They love each other equally there is no doubt in that. The kind of love they have for each other doesn't even need daily need of verbal acknowledgement and I am so happy their love is not limited to just confessing I love you to each other again and again it's much more than that. This I totally agree. Raghvi's love is from the fairytales we have heard. It is pure magic and all SOUL.

Again everybody have their own opinion, I respect each and every opinion stated in this thread.

Don't mean to offend or disrespect anyone. OMG why so many disclaimers... you guys we need to be able to handle difference of opinions without being offended, As long as the person is polite, these discussions are good!

Thank you.

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Parul 🤗

I completely get your point to why you do hawa main filter to a lot of things and not expect while you watch. It minimizes the let downs and you can throughly enjoy the show. It's just that when we revisit so many thoughts cross our mind.

You know we wouldn't have made this post. But what happened with sulo and Raghav today became a trigger point. We let go so many things but that doesn't mean the makers can dish out anything. We know they visit forum, and if they read this they should know what can be passed as fun and what not.

As you said, the reversal of gender say VD or Kaku staring at keerti would have been downright insulting. When mandar carried an unconscious Pallavi to his room was downright pathetic and this was also on same lines!

May be we might have gone overboard with what we felt about his sleeping without a care but that's just us. And it was also to point out the unjust that people keep throwing at Pallavi all the time. Love is not a thing that you keep proving... u live it and commit to it. It's a journey. And that journey is to he appreciated.

I would start by thanking you to actually write down a post regarding this issue. I don't say that i completely agree with all of your points but with some i do.

When i first saw that scene between Raghav and Kaku in today's episode i was actually confused about how it made me feel ; was it diappointing for me or cringy because for sure i wasn't able to connect with it in a funny way. It felt somewhat similar to what i raised my opinion on last night, when in the previous episode Mandaar stuffed a whole laddoo in Pallavi's mouth. It was disappointing and disgusting. In a similar opinion today when Sulochna kaku was oogling Raghav it felt disgusting. I mean it might look funny to some people but to me i coudn't help but imagine a role reversal scenario where an old uncle might be oogling at a young girl. It waved chills down my spine and i realised that people don't actually care about a male's perspective in such scenarios. It's like, see this guy is hot and then people objectify him into various forms.

Watching Raghav shirtless, ofcourse i like that but in a limit because i haven't signed up to watch a guy shirtless in every episode specially around a hell lot of people who then later oogle at him with open mouths. He's shirtless infront of his wife, gymming or in his bedroom while sleeping; i would absolutely love that but him running around the house in a towel or an aged women checking him out. Nope that's a big no no from my side.

About the morning scene i kinda have to disagree because i think Amma had calmed him down enough and then again Pallavi is his anchor now. She makes him at peace, just like the times he slept on her lap, a peaceful sleep after ages or when he slept on her waist after a tiring and traumatizing day. And in the current scenario when she is not physically around, he's taken upon himself to imagine her in order to get that peace back into his life so him waking up in a jolly mood and acting cute was completely alright for me. He imagined her, she calmed his senses and then he woke up to her fragrance and warmth. All worries gone.

But i do object at people expecting Pallavi to recognize him by his touch because in real life we don't, specially not the person who has recently been traumatized. Trust me when i say this, because i have felt it. Got traumatized by an incident and now even if my mom suddenly touches me, i freak out. Also we remember people by their face ; which in this scenario he's completely changes, by their eyes ; his one eye is actually covered here , their cologne ; well alot of people use the same one , by voice ; he's acting a mute person here but definitely not by touch cause you don't go saying , hey this is my mom's touch or this is my dad's touch or this is you know my someone special's touch.

The writer's have been butchering the characters since a long time. Initially they turned Keerti negative, then they showed Pallavi act like a dumb person which from the very start of the show she never was ; the way she tackled alot of people specially Raghav is an example in itself ; and now they're butchering Raghav into a romance freak who wants to flirt with his wife ; accepted but he can do that after revealing his identity too, or he wants to irritate her ; dude she's living under threat and major emotional abuse so please refrain from playing pranks or games. rather than giguring out the truth he wanna play the ' how well does my wife know me' game, excume me this is not our Raghav.

Raghav is a sharp man with skills that have been super fabulous during previous tracks special the Lion one. He has a set of understanding the situation and tackling such scenarios because he is into smuggling and a bit of illegal working, and not to forget he must be keeping tabs on his rivals.

Originally posted by: -abz-

You people said it all. Abi, I cannot tell you how happy I am to read your post.You made me ponder over a point which I missed and it is always good to see such things. So a BIG thanks for taking the time out to read and reply.

Sulo ogling Raghav is nothing but sick. And this is objectifying the male lead. Totally agree

I honestly didn't like the way Raghav has let Pallavi get rattled. To her, he is a third person in that attire and Pallavi getting uncomfortable is justifying. That's how any woman would react witnessing a stranger enter her personal space. It is anything but funny or cute. Raghav calling that cute is totally irritating. What would he do if somebody else was in his place? She carried the same emotions there. Again no amount of being her spouse will let that pass. Abi, you know what I am surprised no one and I mean NO ONE (that I saw) picked on this point. Even I didn't give this scene (the applying medicine and the holding her tight in the kitchen) any thought so I am super glad you brought this up. Sonia and I went back and discussed this scene after we saw your comment and I totally agree that Pallavi was uncomfortable (here I take the liberty to believe she doesn't know it is Raghav as we have not been shown otherwise). Even the medicine scene she left from there because she was uncomfortable and the knife scene also indicated the same. It is rather unfortunate that people thought this scene was romantic but it was problematic if we see from Pallavi's perspective.

There were 2 things wrong with this scene - He did cross her personal space and she was clearly uncomfortable - going to Sulo and asking to sack him was proof enough. Second, Raghav had a chance to come clean but he didn't. They are in a war zone and P just almost got burnt. He needed to think of her mental peace - she would have been so relieved to see him. We have no idea the extent to which mentally disturbed P is to have M around specially when he is trying to cross her boundaries and testing her loyalties, Here, Raghav being upset that P didnt recognize him was highly irresponsible and not in character.

The problem is not about Raghav taking the chance, it is about Raghav letting Pallavi feel absurd. Had he told her as soon as she entered the kitchen we wouldn't have witnessed that scene in that light but I do get your point and agree with it. Uncomfortable means uncomfortable, there's no husband or stranger there; when she's not okay with it, he should step back. No matter how romantic anybody finds his actions to be, it does not appease me. It is far from romantic for me. Again, totally bang on Abi. You are really bringing out such important points. Here, it is not about what R felt or about what the audience felt seeing this scene. It is clearly about what P felt and she WAS uncomfortable. HUSBAND OR STRANGER doesn't MATTER. So when Sonia and I were discussing this scene after we read your comment, another thought struck us - P is already being harassed by Mandar. Just imagine how much more traumatic it is for P to again face the same thing from Swapnil. I hope she gets to know it is R tomorrow so that we can move on from this. Now that I have this fresh perspective, any such scene of Raghvi will be CRINGE to me. Also, I was so unimpressed by today's episode that I didnt see it again (even Raghvi scenes) otherwise normally I watch it multiple times. Hence, probably would never have picked on this point you made. YOU ARE THE BEST.,

My comments in Red, Abi

Originally posted by: hapc

Yeah this is what I thought. Being single I would compare the familiarity to family. Even though we are around our family constantly, I probably can't recognise them by anythings other than face or voice. However since I have not dated or been in a romantic relationship, I do not know how different it is. Can anyone who is dating/married clarify whether this is true? Not just one person ofc, because marriages and couples are different.

Apart from the quoted part, completely agree on the casual objectification of men on ITV which I believe some actors have spoken about. Also the disrespect to lgbtq with maa da ladla sequence and Raghav saying double track/aisa vaisa with the whole thing being played off for laughs

I don't think thus smelling business works in real life. In all likelihood, at that moment, D house would be filled with the smell of a burning garment and in kitchen it would be masalas 😆

While she shooed his hands away that was instinctive.

You are right abt maa da ladle sequence. It's how ITV makes a laughing stalk portrayal of communities and stereotypes.

Originally posted by: Sunaina7

agree with your each words

Personal opinion

As for the raghav appearing shirtless context , I think makers have made his character that way only ,the one who is confident of his vanity and looks. There was one dialogue of Raghav in earlier episodes " Haan , hai main besharam ". He character follows this line only. He doesn't shy away from flaunting his body even in front of his staff. Remember he has lived 10 years of life as a man whose authority couldn't be questioned in the house because there was no one superior to him in that house. His mother wasn't not there to chide him for his silly display of his body or any other female member that he would feel caution too. Our point is not to never show him shirtless but show it in context. If every other day he is shown shirtless (out of context), the scenes lose its impact. What is important to ask is whether this scene would have been less impactful if he was not shirtless and there you have your answer.

As for character inconsistencies or plotholes , truth be told I don't really pay attention to these details much. I like to take entertainment as entertainment only as it is my refuge from real life miseries. I like to go with flow of story .A fantasy land where I get happy with whatever I am served and the things I don't like , I skip them.I am someone who likes to believe in the disclaimer lines shown at starting " This is a work of fiction. Nothing is related to real life events and persons". I don't think anyone takes such things seriously and we all hawa main filter a lot of things in the name of fiction and entertainment. But when things are blatantly wrong as members of society it is our responsibility to point out - how else will we bring change? I get that it is fiction but one needs to draw the line as well as to what is acceptable and what is not.

Coming to makers , its their story to tell and how they want it to. I feel like I don't have any authority or right to interfere in their plot because at the end of day it's they who are giving their hours and brain to write something that too on daily basis.

if I am not liking the content which they are serving to me , I still have the power to watch something else on different platform. We are living in 2021 where there is no dearth of quality content /entertainment.

I agree that we have the option to turn off the TV if we don't find anything appropriate. Eventually these things continue and we are the ones who say ITV is regressive. Why is it Regressive - because we let it be -because we never raised our voices when we could. Imagine not being able to tell Sickand that pyar vs farz track wasn't working - we all would have stopped this show. That is the power of being able to voice your opinion constructively. You will not see us making posts after every episodes but some times we just need to draw the line.

hope I haven't offended anyone 🤗 Please don't use disclaimers - keep your intentions right- if you didn't mean to offend, the one reading should not feel offended. Also, I really hope people on this forum stop telling anyone to switch off the TV for raising genuine concerns once in a while (this is not directed at you though you may feel it is - disclaimer here only because you make take REAL offense but it is not intended towards you alone- generic statement). What is the point if we are unable to discuss, debate and learn from one another.

Taking the liberty to respond on behalf of Sonia.