Preachy movies - Page 5

Originally posted by: Thatgirl16

I hope your family doesn't see this.... Phir toh jaydaad se bahar🤣

My parents have already given me everything.😆❤️ They can even poison me now and it wouldn't change my love for them. Lol

It's just that movie was too one sided and preachy. A little pakau bas. 😆

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

Well, the mother was right in saying that her daughter-in-law didn't keep an eye on their daughter. She's the one who saved the brat's ass in the end, right?

The point is, why did she have to go behind the bahu’s back to talk to her son?Why couldn’t she talk to both of them together and alert them together? There is a tareeka to do things.

Bhagban, K3G, Bhansali's movies that preach love to the point of 'devotion'.

Edit: Apologies. Topic was of preachy BW movies so limiting it.😳😆

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Just because I am questioning the concept of country and patriotism doesn't mean everyone has to question it. Other people do love their country. People do want to serve their country in the armed forces. I don't think loving your nation or serving the nation is inherently wrong. I'll even acknowledge soldiers when they show courage and integrity. And just like I have the right to defend my home if an intruder breaks in, I do believe countries have a right to defend themselves.

What it means is that I hold countries and their armies accountable. I believe that human life will always be more valuable than borders or patriotism. If a country abuses its military might to oppress or control others then it must be held accountable. I feel that even citizens who love their country should hold their country accountable. Just because someone joins the army doesn't mean they are automatic heroes. People can be brave in other forms. Military engineers and doctors are also risking their lives for their country in different ways. War zone journalists are selflessly risking their lives for the higher purpose of truth. And we know that the history of the military is full of raping, pillaging, torture, and all sorts of atrocities - and being a member of the armed forces means extra scrutiny to ensure honorable conduct.

And as I said, I am questioning, I don't even know if this line of thought is right or even morally justified.

You were asking why should anybody hold allegiance to a country? So, the simple answer is to belong. That's the conventional answer right. You can choose which country to live in. But then you should be loyal to that country, which essentially means to not hurt its interests. And you can choose to not live in any country. But then I suppose that will put you in a very difficult position because you won't have any defence against any other nation. So, anyway once you decide where, then you should be loyal to that country. For me, it starts with myself as the smallest unit, then my family, then my nation, in a broad way of speaking. Because if you choose to disregard the borders that divide people, that just makes you ignorant of the reality of politics.

Of course an army is held accountable. That's why they have their own courts to try errant officers. It may not be a perfect system and should probably improve, but it's not like army officers are given immunity from all their actions. To be sure, I am not one of those to give excuses for the army in the face of loads of complaints about human rights abuse. I am sure there is truth to that. But in reply to your post, I wanted to ask if you have thought through this. An army is extremely important, in a practical sense, for a country and it's not easy for people to go into a profession knowing they will be facing fatal situations most of their days. I don't think it's the same for military engineers or doctors. They may have to face danger sometimes, but not like soldiers definitely. And for that, if people respect them more, I suppose it is valid. If they get motivated by the amount of respect they get, or they feel motivated to die for their country, I suppose that's how anybody would survive in a profession like that. There are people who get doubts about staying in a software desk job because of random reasons, don't you think they will be bogged down by pretty valid doubts in the army? They would want to leave. But the promise of national respect and giving their life for their country, noble thoughts, they probably make them stay there.

I mean it's like if a doctor decided to work in a remote area, rife with a deadly disease, wouldn't she be respected more than a doctor working in her clinic in a city? Not to say that a person who thinks only about herself is wrong or morally reproachable but someone who thinks about others surely is better than the rest of us? It's totally up to an individual how she wants to live her life but it's my personal opinion that somebody who thinks about more than herself is deserving of more appreciation and respect than the rest. And the same way, I feel about the army, doctors, teachers, the so called noble professions, because for me they really are noble.

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

Because if you don't, then the country will be under attack and that will affect it's sovereignty, and if a country's sovereignty, then it's you and your family who is going to suffer. You'll be at the receiving end of all the enemy's atrocities.

Defending and serving your country is a moral duty. If not in the form of armed forces, in other forms.

Why would another country attack and why would me and my family suffer? What if a sovereign nation is committing atrocities against its own people?

Whether you will suffer in an enemy attack depends on where you live and what you do. If you're a nobody in bublefuck nowhere, most likely your life will be the same irrespective of who is in power.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Why would another country attack and why would me and my family suffer? What if a sovereign nation is committing atrocities against its own people?

Whether you will suffer in an enemy attack depends on where you live and what you do. If you're a nobody in bublefuck nowhere, most likely your life will be the same irrespective of who is in power.

Nobody is living in a bubble. Why do countries attack each other? For vested interests, natural resources, power, territory etc. If you're only talking about some random person in a remote place who will never come to know of the politics in her country, then that is a very specific situation. But the statements you're making about war and army are pretty general. Sure maybe 30-40% of a country's population may get by without being concerned about who's in power, depending on which country, but still the majority will be affected by that. And no, life is not the same under different rulers. It may seem like that because we are a really big country and so the remotest areas probably didn't feel the effects most of the times, but with certain laws, everybody comes under the scanner. Remember the communist countries who changed the whole political system overnight.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Why would another country attack and why would me and my family suffer? What if a sovereign nation is committing atrocities against its own people?

Whether you will suffer in an enemy attack depends on where you live and what you do. If you're a nobody in bublefuck nowhere, most likely your life will be the same irrespective of who is in power.

In case of India, we are surrounded by two major enemy countries. If a government is committing atrocities, then the people can rise up against it using constitutional machinery.

In the second paragraph, are you saying that it would make no difference to you if your country's wealth and resources are occupied and exploited by another country? I'm sorry, but that cannot be part of a remotely serious debate.

Originally posted by: astha36

You were asking why should anybody hold allegiance to a country? So, the simple answer is to belong. That's the conventional answer right. You can choose which country to live in. But then you should be loyal to that country, which essentially means to not hurt its interests.

Interesting. For me, I don't feel national allegiance has anything to do with my sense of belonging.

I was born and raised in Bombay. Being born wasn't a choice. When I moved to the United States, I would "miss India." But looking back at it now, I don't miss India, I don't know India, not the whole country it is. I miss Bombay, my childhood, and the life I once had there. I don't wish harm on India, but the love and loyalty some immigrants have towards India feel bizarre. And for the past few years, I feel more and more disconnected and apathetic towards the nation.

Similarly, my parents immigrated to the United States. That wasn't my conscious choice to move here. As an adult, I live here out of choice. But that has more to do with my love for my family, friends, and the life built around me than any love for the United States. Because just like India, I don't know the United States as a country. And honestly, fuck some of the states, and fuck the people who still romanticize the confederacy. Again, I don't wish any harm on the United States, but would it be so bad if Mexico invaded Texas? Would my life suck if Canada invaded the North? To be honest, the Midwest might be better of in Canada - Midwest nice plays well with Canada nice - we're not the Rah Rah me first people - we're more like - ope, sorry to be a bother.

Originally posted by: cutejodikangal

The point is, why did she have to go behind the bahu’s back to talk to her son?Why couldn’t she talk to both of them together and alert them together? There is a tareeka to do things.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Interesting. For me, I don't feel national allegiance has anything to do with my sense of belonging.

I was born and raised in Bombay. Being born wasn't a choice. When I moved to the United States, I would "miss India." But looking back at it now, I don't miss India, I don't know India, not the whole country it is. I miss Bombay, my childhood, and the life I once had there. I don't wish harm on India, but the love and loyalty some immigrants have towards India feel bizarre. And for the past few years, I feel more and more disconnected and apathetic towards the nation.

Similarly, my parents immigrated to the United States. That wasn't my conscious choice to move here. As an adult, I live here out of choice. But that has more to do with my love for my family, friends, and the life built around me than any love for the United States. Because just like India, I don't know the United States as a country. And honestly, fuck some of the states, and fuck the people who still romanticize the confederacy. Again, I don't wish any harm on the United States, but would it be so bad if Mexico invaded Texas? Would my life suck if Canada invaded the North? To be honest, the Midwest might be better of in Canada - Midwest nice plays well with Canada nice - we're not the Rah Rah me first people - we're more like - ope, sorry to be a bother.

Well, I did say you can choose which country to live in. You don't have to feel towards the one where you were born or where you moved with your parents.

Usually if another country were to invade the one you were living in and take over the government, the citizens of your country will never be considered equal to the invader country's citizens and you will be oppressed and exploited. The invading country will not take the interests of your country into account, which also means yours, and make laws to your detriment. Life is never good under an invader. But if you are in that zone where you think life is meaningless anyway, then I suppose that won't matter either. Existential nihilism, I believe, it is called.