Episode spoiler - 5 July 2021 - Page 19

Originally posted by: Jiarao

Haven't watched the episode. Taking a break from show but couldn't stay away from forum. 😆

Reading this post made me really happy. This is what I wanted . Raghav has done enough for Keerti and I want him to stay away from her life now. He should get involved only if she asks him to. He should assume she is happy with her beintehaa mohabbat and enjoy his life.

She is a grown woman and has taken her decision and will take what comes with that decision.

I agree, but the problem is that he won't be able to stop Sunny from hurting Pallavi because he has know idea about this parallel track.

Perhaps this would be a lesson for Pallavi too, that she needs to let things be sometimes and that she should have followed Amma's advice. Or maybe she doesn't remember any of it because they were both drunk.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

I agree that the full white definitely pricks the eyes, and just a slightly different styling would have made a world of difference, but ab what to do- they had to make her match Raghav's hallucination, a manifestation of what's been plaguing his mind. She isn't dressed in white because she thinks herself to be a widow. She never dressed in white even when she was a widow- the only two times we've seen her in white was when first, she didn't want to pick a fight with Krishna's mom, and second time when she wanted to make a point on the reception (Both times we've ever seen her in white before, Raghav's added color, intentionally or not).

I don't think the conflict being highlighted is Pallavi's. She isn't confused about her status, she thinks of herself as a married woman. I really don't see her being torn between her past and her present right now, that may come later. She just wanted to wear a light sari to be respectful of the sombre nature of the day, and decided that that white sari will have to do. It actually is possible that she didn't have other sombre colors, some families do have such traditions. For example, on my mom's side of the family, brides don't wear black or white/very light colors in the first year of marriage. She probably didn't even think too much about picking that sari to wear, she just knew she had it and felt it would be event appropriate.

I believe the conflict being highlighted here with this attire is Raghav's, which I guess we'll see when he sees her dressed like this- all in white, but bearing all the symbols of marriage. The conflict of being married to and falling for a woman who's widowhood he holds himself accountable for.

Totally agree. It's not about Pallavi here but about Raghav's moral dilemma and him becoming even more adamant about preventing her from finding out the truth, which most of us feel is going to end up in disaster.

Originally posted by: Diya2021

@bold I guess it might be a tradition as well. Coming from south, to see a married woman wear a white is so against the norms.

How much can you prick a man whose complete existence is on the guilt that he is responsible for her widowhood. CV’s don’t need to highlight anything more, we got it loud and clear and they need to start clearing things than showing his conflicts anymore 😆 But I guess it will be soon as Pallavi is on it now.

How did you feel about Pallavi saying Choti moti baath nahi hai - Mandar ka birthday hai. I sometimes feel the writers want to specify that Pallavi was really close to Mandar or maybe respected him so much and kept him in that pedestal just the way she kept Baba. Or was it just another dialogue put in to keep focussing on the upcoming Mandar track ?

She did respect Mandaar a lot. Whenever she's talked about him, it has been fondly and with a lot of admiration for the kind of person (she thinks) he was.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

I didn't read too much into Pallavi saying chhoti moti baat nahi hai. Ultimately, it is a significant day. She may be happily married now, but he was her husband. The present doesn't erase the past. Copying and paraphrasing for context from my post in the AT:

Let's forget what we know off screen about Mandaar, and focus on the information Pallavi and Sharda had. A great guy, loving son, with all the potential to be a great husband, taken too soon from both women.

Honestly, why shouldn't she want Pallavi there for Mandaar's pooja? And why shouldn't Pallavi want to go? She was his wife. Immediate family. They were dreaming of a long, happy life together. They never divorced, there was no conflict between them, their marriage was dissolved by death. Her wanting to pay respects is understandable, and I'd say expected. And the guilt of being too caught up in her own life to forget such a day, significant not only to her but also her mother, again, understandable.

At the same time, I also like that Jaya told Pallavi not to feel too guilty about forgetting the day. Pallavi didn't have any malice in her heart, and it wasn't fueled by a lack of respect for Mandaar or Sharda, she was just caught up in everything happening in her own life. It happens, itni badi baat nahi hai. That way, I do appreciate Jaya's influence in Pallavi's life. Someone has to tell her ki duniya ke saare bojh usse uthaane ki zarurat nahi hai.

@bold... this... I loved hearing that being said out loud to Pallavi indirectly at least by someone. We've been talking about this from day 1 but she's still entangled in all this.

I know on the face of it she's accepted the marriage and the Raos but somewhere in her mind and heart she'll always be tied to the past because of her connection to the Deshmukhs. Now, whether this track is meant to purge all that or help her see things in a different light is what I want to know. Until a few weeks ago she was saying that being a Deshmukh was her identity and recently she's taking on an identity as a Rao. When the Mandaar truth is out, will it help her realize that she mustn't rely on a (sur)name or family for her identity and that she can just be Pallavi? Will it help her accept Raghav completely with his mistakes and faults once she's out of the la la land that she's in right now? I've said this before, he's a don and she doesn't focus on it too much, but there must be skeletons in his closet because of his line of work (collateral damage or otherwise). Also, will she learn that she's not meant to solve all the problems in the world and sometimes taking a step back and offering support only where necessarily is the best option?

Originally posted by: BlueJayFire

Today, I couldn't move my eyes from Pallavi. Such a cutie pie she was trying to focus, concentrate..Her obvious annoyance that she couldn't and then her final call Mr. Raghav Rao. Shivangi totally nailed it. But on the contrary, I feel, if she tries to seduce Raghav, he will still hold himself a grip outside, even though he has lost it inside.

@bold, at this stage in the story, definitely. I just don't want her to feel hurt, though or take it as a rejection.

Originally posted by: BlueJayFire

The way Ved keeps referring back to the killing of Mandar, I feel Mandaar did get killed under Raghav's car but unintentionally. Accidents are seldom driver's fault. The couple of accidents I had with my car, mostly its the bikers who wanted to overtake or jump the red signal and rammed into my car, few had injuries too, but thankfully none dead. But that trauma stays forever and someone reminding of that constantly does make you lose it. Thats where Ved is now trying to get the better of Raghav and commit to sins that he doesn't intend to. Few going to be finding backdoors to solve problems, like hiding things from Pallavi, lying. I am expecting a showdown like the night at the Party where Raghav gate crashed and that made Sanki throw Pallavi out, I think we will see a similar situation where Pallavi is going to bring out all the things Raghav did to hide Mandar's death and how he cheated her. Amma might throw Raghav out of the house or get Raghav arrested. Well, that's my insight into deep further the track. Ved would think he won it, but love rises above all. Pallavi might begin finding clues and solve it with help of others.

I am thinking back to Sanki's threat to throw Raghav in jail and what you say would be quite possible. Also, even if he is proven innocent and comes out of jail, wouldn't the damage to his reputation hurt his business. I honestly hopes he never goes to jail and uses his power to stop his arrest, because that's what I expect of Raghav Rao, the don of Hyderabad. Let him investigate everything with the help of Farhad (and maybe Pallavi) and get to the bottom of things. I really don't want to see another ITV FL being Sherlock, please.

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

Ofcourse Ayi will be in shock, dilemma, maybe even hesitant to believe her eyes.. Imagine the shock of seeing your allegedly dead son alive infront of you, just like that... she is the mother after all.. But would that mean, that she will automatically expect Pallavi to leave her present life, her husband who she has started to have feelings for, of which Ayi is very much aware., to leave the life she has started to built after so much she had to go through, and come running back to her son, their family? Where people see the writers showing a contrast in Ayi and Amma's behavior as signs of an impending shift in Ayi's character, I as a viewer also see scenes where Ayi becomes a first hand eye witness to Pallavi happily and willfully moving on in her life with Raghav..scenes where she is witnessing what Raghav and Pallavi have started to mean to each other..to what lengths they go to support each other, as signs of remaining a positive light in Pallavi's life throughout.. that was the message of the promo the show started with-Ayi and Pallavi's relationship..There should be a reason for showing all that too..

Amma and Pallavi's new found friendship has redefined MIL-DIL equation and I love it..I think its very endearing, not to mention very progressive and truly inspiring.. But I also feel that it has got a lot to do with the clear, happy head space they both are in.. Amma has got literally nothing to worry about these days lol She got her son back, the best DIL she could ever hope for..she is in a such a happy place that she doesn't even care much about Keerthi's drama anymore.. This is the same Amma who had slapped Keerthi and had gone into a fit of rage at the idea of her and Sunny's relationship... Now the same Amma enjoys rain, gets drunk with her DIL and advices her to let Keerthi do her mistakes and learn from them! That's how much therapeutically healing the reconciliation with Raghav has been for her.. So yes she will be the balanced, level headed, unbiased, most objective person around to give anyone support, including Pallavi..and same goes for Pallavi.. she is also a lot less burdened...she has Raghav by her side who she feels very much attracted to..it's all contributing to the happy and relaxed space she finds herself in..and that definitely contributes to Amma and Pallavi's girl bonding.. Ayi and Pallavi on the other hand have mostly bonded through struggles, sharing losses and pain.. Its very different.. hope I was able to make myself bit clear here..

I just wanted to clarify once and for all, since we've gone a few rounds on this topic, that I do not think the comparison is an indication of flip in Ayi's priorities or loyalties, not at this stage of the story at least. I don't know if Ayi will change her attitude towards Pallavi or not because there's no information to support this, so I'll remain neutral at this point. This is ITV so nothing sweet lasts forever, especially when the TRP pressure is on, but then again our CVs have done unconventional things, so let's see.

I had actually used the word contrast in my original post - I see Pallavi's dynamics with Jaya as a continuation of showing Pallavi (and us) that there are other facets to life and relationships, which she'd previously never seen growing up or while at the Ds. We'd always wanted her to get out of that house and see life differently and her observation of Jaya's philosophy in life is an example of that. While we want Raghav to grow, Pallavi coming out of her cocoon and growing into a butterfly is happening all the time, consciously or subconsciously, with every such interaction. She's seen Amma interfere in her life to an unacceptable extent. Sure, we wanted her to be with Raghav but no one would disagree that Amma's heavy handedness and conditions to Raghav were unfair. Pallavi has seen that a mother/MIL isn't always right, but that it's also ok to call her out on it and explain your point of view. She's had Amma give her great advice but also had to referee between Keerti and her when the slapping was going on. She's learning to say NO and learning that unconditional love is possible and comes in many forms, be it with Ayi or the Raos.

When I say that I won't be surprised IF Ayi feels even 1% as an MIL when her son returns, I would take that as a natural and obvious dilemma on her part. Again, that's an IF, depending on how the track is written.

I feel as if Ayi ultimately accepting and encouraging Pallavi to move on with Raghav without any guilt or sense of obligation to her past/Ds is what the end state should be. This isn't just because of the promo but also because Sharda is a logical person at the end of the day who'd realize Pallavi loves her second husband and belongs with him, but she can still be her daughter. Whether or not Ayi will always be on that path during the Mandaar track or take a detour if she's temporarily overwhelmed by motherly affections for him, is yet to be seen. We don't know how she'll react to the news that her son died because of Raghav. So far he's in her good books but will she remain objective then or will she fear for Pallavi's future with Raghav because of the skeletons in his closet? With the way they've set her character up, either route would be believable, honestly. I do want to see her deviate a bit because that would make her character more interesting to watch, how she fights her emotions and ultimately chooses the happiness of her daughter over her son's (or Sanki's), but she's an important character whose actions I hope the CVs will justify. Through Ayi, Pallavi understood and felt the affection of a mother for the first time in her life, so that can't have been for nothing. It will always be important to her.

I think Pallavi needs all kinds of positive influences in her life and unlike others I don't feel she needs to choose between Amma and Ayi. As long as neither of them brings toxicity in her life, she'll benefit from their love and support and helping her grow into the Pallavi she's meant to become. They are both strong women and have a lot of wisdom to offer.

I'm not always good with words but hope my stance is clear? 😃

Originally posted by: inlieu

I just wanted to clarify once and for all, since we've gone a few rounds on this topic, that I do not think the comparison is an indication of flip in Ayi's priorities or loyalties, not at this stage of the story at least. I don't know if Ayi will change her attitude towards Pallavi or not because there's no information to support this, so I'll remain neutral at this point. This is ITV so nothing sweet lasts forever, especially when the TRP pressure is on, but then again our CVs have done unconventional things, so let's see.

I had actually used the word contrast in my original post - I see Pallavi's dynamics with Jaya as a continuation of showing Pallavi (and us) that there are other facets to life and relationships, which she'd previously never seen growing up or while at the Ds. We'd always wanted her to get out of that house and see life differently and her observation of Jaya's philosophy in life is an example of that. While we want Raghav to grow, Pallavi coming out of her cocoon and growing into a butterfly is happening all the time, consciously or subconsciously, with every such interaction. She's seen Amma interfere in her life to an unacceptable extent. Sure, we wanted her to be with Raghav but no one would disagree that Amma's heavy handedness and conditions to Raghav were unfair. Pallavi has seen that a mother/MIL isn't always right, but that it's also ok to call her out on it and explain your point of view. She's had Amma give her great advice but also had to referee between Keerti and her when the slapping was going on. She's learning to say NO and learning that unconditional love is possible and comes in many forms, be it with Ayi or the Raos.

When I say that I won't be surprised IF Ayi feels even 1% as an MIL when her son returns, I would take that as a natural and obvious dilemma on her part. Again, that's an IF, depending on how the track is written.

I feel as if Ayi ultimately accepting and encouraging Pallavi to move on with Raghav without any guilt or sense of obligation to her past/Ds is what the end state should be. This isn't just because of the promo but also because Sharda is a logical person at the end of the day who'd realize Pallavi loves her second husband and belongs with him, but she can still be her daughter. Whether or not Ayi will always be on that path during the Mandaar track or take a detour if she's temporarily overwhelmed by motherly affections for him, is yet to be seen. We don't know how she'll react to the news that her son died because of Raghav. So far he's in her good books but will she remain objective then or will she fear for Pallavi's future with Raghav because of the skeletons in his closet? With the way they've set her character up, either route would be believable, honestly. I do want to see her deviate a bit because that would make her character more interesting to watch, how she fights her emotions and ultimately chooses the happiness of her daughter over her son's (or Sanki's), but she's an important character whose actions I hope the CVs will justify. Through Ayi, Pallavi understood and felt the affection of a mother for the first time in her life, so that can't have been for nothing. It will always be important to her.

I think Pallavi needs all kinds of positive influences in her life and unlike others I don't feel she needs to choose between Amma and Ayi. As long as neither of them brings toxicity in her life, she'll benefit from their love and support and helping her grow into the Pallavi she's meant to become. They are both strong women and have a lot of wisdom to offer.

I'm not always good with words but hope my stance is clear? 😃

I don't think we are saying very different things honestly.. I agree with most of the things you have said in this post..beautifully written by the way..There are a few things that I have a different perspective about...for instance I don't like clubbing all the Deshmukhs as D's or ''trashmukhs'' as a lot of forum members say.. I feel its unfair.. Ayi, especially and Milind, do not deserve to be judged the same as Vijay and Sulochana.. I have discussed at length about how I feel about Ayi not being able to support Pallavi the way she should've..and yes she has not been the perfect mother to Pallavi..just as Amma hasn't been for Raghav for a really long time. I know the circumstances were different but fact is Rao family estrangement dragged that long because of Jaya..Luckily for her, she got Pallavi in her life at a very crucial time who helped her understand things from Raghav's point of view.. Sadly for Ayi, except for Milind she never had someone to show things to her from Pallavi's POV... Milind did intervene but not as effectively as say a Pallavi could've.. Ayi forgiving Pallavi for the resentment she held against her, was her own initiative (mostly)..She saw Raghav change for her..she heard Pallavi's side of the story through him and believed what she always knew in her heart... anyway, I guess I am digressing.. I hope I am able to put across one point in all the mumbo jumbo I wrote so far- that I agree with you..I am just a little more positive and hopeful when it comes to Ayi's character.. and I know she will be at a crossroad when Mandhar returns and it would be very unnatural if she doesn't have those moments of doubts and self-conflicts.. but like you said, I feel at the end of the day she will put Pallavi's happiness above all.. She will be the one who will play an instrumental role in helping Pallavi free herself of any guilt/obligation towards the Deshmukhs and/or Mandhar and start a life with Raghav..

Originally posted by: inlieu

I agree, but the problem is that he won't be able to stop Sunny from hurting Pallavi because he has know idea about this parallel track.

Perhaps this would be a lesson for Pallavi too, that she needs to let things be sometimes and that she should have followed Amma's advice. Or maybe she doesn't remember any of it because they were both drunk.

On a side note I don't think Sunny will dare to hurt Pallavi physically. It would end his chances with Keerti forever. But then again nowadays everybody except Pallavi is becoming dumb. So anything is possible.

Originally posted by: inlieu

@bold, at this stage in the story, definitely. I just don't want her to feel hurt, though or take it as a rejection.

Totally agree. The stage or state where she is in, only deserves all the love and happiness.