Indian Idol 12 makers have been EXPOSED big time thanks to Amit Kumar - Page 3

Originally posted by: fierzer

Where are you getting this information? This is how misinformation spreads and people just start believing things without any adequate research or knowledge on the subject. ISRA (Indian Singers Rights Association) has been taking huge steps for the last 5 years, and since 2018 has been able to compensate a large amount of royalties to various playback artists for their work.

Generally, there are two kinds of licensing: recording artist royalties and publisher royalties. The intricacies of how royalties get paid out vary depending on the medium and platform. As an example: broadcast radio station pays only the recording artist royalties. Internet radio stations must also pay mechanical duplication royalties which are publisher royalties.

The point is, that there’s been revamps in the entire system in order to protect singers from exploitation. And now industries have been forced to pay out royalties (depending on the contract) to singers in the last few years. The way contracts are being produced are completely different now than even 10 years ago.

Please use correct information and factual evidence before making claims and creating unnecessary hostility. And others need to be more weary of believing things, and not just make assumptions based off comments like ‘Amir and Salman said blah blah’ which isn’t even 100% verifiable.

There’s still a lot of progress to be made, and but the globalization of music platforms has forced India into revamping its own legislation in order to finally catch up with the times. It’s still far behind in some things, but ISRA and other independent associations have been making great strides over the recent years in order to better compensate the entire creative team behind musical content, including singers.

ISRA is struggling since 2013 it was 2012 when amendmend was made that singers and music composers and lyric writer have their rights to royalty its since when Sonu Nigam was Banned by music labels because of him being vocal about royalty ...and what i said is what u will hear in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRKLdqs3Q8s&t=17s

Originally posted by: SamirM

One should ask Salman/Amir, why were all of the songs featuring them not popular? Did they wear a mask in non popular songs? Disgusting!!!

same thing Sonu Nigam replied to Salman Khan in this video when he was asked this question by Rajeev Masand

If that is the case then every song pictuerizned on these actors would be a hit , why is that so certian are hit and certian are not , there has to be somethng in song, lyrics , singer , composition at 2:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRKLdqs3Q8s&t=17s

Originally posted by: Arsalan_khan

ISRA is struggling since 2013 it was 2012 when amendmend was made that singers and music composers and lyric writer have their rights to royalty its since when Sonu Nigam was Banned by music labels because of him being vocal about royalty ...and what i said is what u will hear in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRKLdqs3Q8s&t=17s

2013 was nearly a decade ago, and times have changed drastically since then. Around ISRAs inception these had been glaringly key issues haunting the music industry for decades. Sonu had a right to his own grievances.

But again, at a legislative level there’s have been large revamps in contractual obligations and compensations over the last 3 years. And to say that royalties don’t get paid to singers is false. Again, it also depends on the type of platform that is playing a particular song also, which factors into the type of royalty paid and to whom. However, the movement first created by ISRA has shown positive fruition since 2018, leading to more fair compensation and royalty payout to more singers.

edit: I also want to point out that YouTube is not a factual way to decipher information. In the same way if you search Arunita Indian Idol on YouTube and have to scroll through 50 Arudeep clickbait relationship videos, there’s all sorts of clickbait misinformation thrown around in other subjects also (including this topic of royalties).

Hopefully, this is a wake up call to the dumb producers to end this show ASAP. 😡

Originally posted by: GiridharM

Except Shanmukhpriya, Tauro and Anjali all others were so mediocre.

They sang very well did they? I must start following them more closely!

Originally posted by: fierzer

2013 was nearly a decade ago, and times have changed drastically since then. Around ISRAs inception these had been glaringly key issues haunting the music industry for decades. Sonu had a right to his own grievances.

But again, at a legislative level there’s have been large revamps in contractual obligations and compensations over the last 3 years. And to say that royalties don’t get paid to singers is false. Again, it also depends on the type of platform that is playing a particular song also, which factors into the type of royalty paid and to whom. However, the movement first created by ISRA has shown positive fruition since 2018, leading to more fair compensation and royalty payout to more singers.

edit: I also want to point out that YouTube is not a factual way to decipher information. In the same way if you search Arunita Indian Idol on YouTube and have to scroll through 50 Arudeep clickbait relationship videos, there’s all sorts of clickbait misinformation thrown around in other subjects also (including this topic of royalties).

Royalties had always been an issue. But what u guys discussed is not the whole picture.

Most singers were earning huge amounts of royalties through stage shows. Have u seen Sonu Nigam's new house in Dubai? Where do u think all that money came from? A singer is considered as the face of the song, they get the most advantage of that. Music directors and lyricists hardly benefitted.

Now singers are earning lakhs and crores by singing on stage, the public platform royalty is not even given to the music director and lyricist. Who's loosing out the most? So who deserves to be compensated first?

These singers who were literally made by legendary composers and lyricists are enjoying lots of luxury, free PR by appearing on TV shows, award functions etc...what about the people who made it? If its a group project, why is the one who is explaining the project getting all the acknowledgement, when the others have literally done more work?

Royalties are divided into many many segments. A singer's royalty isn't generated from where the music director or lyricist get theirs. Technically, in a 100% pie, 50% goes to the publisher (aka the music label), and 50% goes to songwriters aka music director and lyricist. Unfortunately labels made illegal contracts and made these composers and lyricists sign off all royalties and literally pocketed money. How do u think T-Series has the money to produce so many films a year? 😉

So since composers and lyricists suffer the most, they decided to fight this thing together. Also their royalty has nothing to do with singers, thats a different agreed upon percent. From a technical viewpoint, the singer is the last one in the picture. First the song is made and written, then they use musicians or (like these days) programme it, then the recordist does his work of balancing etc, then the singer comes into the picture. Others are contributing way more but weren't earning a single penny! So they deserve their rights first! We all saw Santosh Anand and the late Vanraj Bhatia's plight, while the singers who sang their songs were living a much much better life. So obviously, the first step was to secure royalties for music directors and lyricists.

A singer's share can never be as huge as a composer or lyricist because they are the creators of the songs. The singer is the last element, who actually earn more from live shows, something that composers and lyricists don't get.

Even abroad, Ariana Grande and Taylor Swift will earn more royalties than Demi Lovato and Selena Gomez, because the former are songwriters too. And who does more work deserves more money, put simply.

Originally posted by: Ashley.Tisdale

Royalties had always been an issue. But what u guys discussed is not the whole picture.

Most singers were earning huge amounts of royalties through stage shows. Have u seen Sonu Nigam's new house in Dubai? Where do u think all that money came from? A singer is considered as the face of the song, they get the most advantage of that. Music directors and lyricists hardly benefitted.

Now singers are earning lakhs and crores by singing on stage, the public platform royalty is not even given to the music director and lyricist. Who's loosing out the most? So who deserves to be compensated first?

These singers who were literally made by legendary composers and lyricists are enjoying lots of luxury, free PR by appearing on TV shows, award functions etc...what about the people who made it? If its a group project, why is the one who is explaining the project getting all the acknowledgement, when the others have literally done more work?

Royalties are divided into many many segments. A singer's royalty isn't generated from where the music director or lyricist get theirs. Technically, in a 100% pie, 50% goes to the publisher (aka the music label), and 50% goes to songwriters aka music director and lyricist. Unfortunately labels made illegal contracts and made these composers and lyricists sign off all royalties and literally pocketed money. How do u think T-Series has the money to produce so many films a year? 😉

So since composers and lyricists suffer the most, they decided to fight this thing together. Also their royalty has nothing to do with singers, thats a different agreed upon percent. From a technical viewpoint, the singer is the last one in the picture. First the song is made and written, then they use musicians or (like these days) programme it, then the recordist does his work of balancing etc, then the singer comes into the picture. Others are contributing way more but weren't earning a single penny! So they deserve their rights first! We all saw Santosh Anand and the late Vanraj Bhatia's plight, while the singers who sang their songs were living a much much better life. So obviously, the first step was to secure royalties for music directors and lyricists.

A singer's share can never be as huge as a composer or lyricist because they are the creators of the songs. The singer is the last element, who actually earn more from live shows, something that composers and lyricists don't get.

Even abroad, Ariana Grande and Taylor Swift will earn more royalties than Demi Lovato and Selena Gomez, because the former are songwriters too. And who does more work deserves more money, put simply.

Not all singers are sonu nigam or live performers who can earn from stage shows...plus sonu nigam is not the part of any music companies and had not singed any contract with t series, z music, tips etc so the amount he earn from shows owned by himself only ... But these days singers are made to sign a contract with music companies which state a heavy amount of money may be 60 to 80 percent a singer earn from concerts will go to music labels, which deprive singers from their royalty, singers who didn't singed those contracts are not in mainstream like sonu nigam, music label sidelined him and many others seniors like sunidhi etc..... I have read somewhere neha kakkar said she could not make huge amount through concerts as the money goes to music label under which those songs are released.... And I repeat in playback thing there are many great great playback singers who are not presentable on stage and are not stage performers, u can not just genelize elite class singers that they own a bungalow in dubai etc etc to those who are living at adversity being a big name of their times,... Amit kumar is one name, sudesh bhosle,. M aziz, and even shabir kumar has been in a bad state financially, not everyone is living a high standard lifestyle, and yeah composers too come in this category, same thing apply hear composers who are performer now are earning their bread and butter and majority of composer are now turned performs these days,

Originally posted by: Arsalan_khan

Not all singers are sonu nigam or live performers who can earn from stage shows...... And these days singers are made to sign a contract with music companies which state a heavy amount of money may be 60 to 80 percent a singer earn from concerts will go to music labels, which deprive singers from their royalty, singers who didn't singed those contracts are not in mainstream like sonu nigam, music label sidelined him and many others seniors like sunidhi etc..... I have read somewhere neha kakkar said she could not make huge amount through concerts as the money goes to music label under which those songs are released

Our mainstream singers, the ones who had done playback are earning from shows, big or small. And they are the ones who are eligible for royalties. And singers were still getting their 20% according to the stats u posted, music directors and lyricists got nothing.

@bold: Illegal contracts, not counted, they get their share of royalties. Music label may have sidelined them but they are still getting their money, no one can take that from them. Sunidhi and Sonu are still doing shows globally, things have only slowed down because of the pandemic.

And if Neha has said that then its an illegal thing to do, where she can actually file a lawsuit against the label AND win, but we all know why she won't do that. The ED is already investigating the money laundering case of the music industry, her statement can cause huge problems to her label.

And btw, T Series has finally joined IPRS, there is no way they can run away form paying royalties now. Not like they had a choice, either T Series would be finished or they would come on board, they have broken way too many rules and everyone knows that.

Originally posted by: Arsalan_khan

And I repeat in playback thing there are many great great playback singers who are not presentable on stage and are not stage performers, u can not just genelize elite class singers to those who are living at adversity being a big name of their times

The definition of a playback singer is someone who has made it as a singer and has sung songs majority know, which they can sing on stage too. It depends on volume of work and popularity too.

I have seen the elite class on stage, and even the ones who fizzled out doing shows, that too a few years ago. They might not be making as much as they should, but they are getting money. And they will get their share of royalties.

Music directors and lyricists never got a penny, so they were obviously prioritising. Plus they work more on the songs so they will get a larger share.

Originally posted by: Ashley.Tisdale

The definition of a playback singer is someone who has made it as a singer and has sung songs majority know, which they can sing on stage too. It depends on volume of work and popularity too.

I have seen the elite class on stage, and even the ones who fizzled out doing shows, that too a few years ago. They might not be making as much as they should, but they are getting money. And they will get their share of royalties.

Music directors and lyricists never got a penny, so they were obviously prioritising. Plus they work more on the songs so they will get a larger share.

In dat case I agree that somehow a singer who has sung a hit song can make money if not much but moderate but composers and lyrics didn't get anything besides the payment cash... But these days even composers are earning from their shows name any they all do live stage shows from rehman to pritam to vishal shker, jatin lalit