Between light and darkness - Page 15

Originally posted by: Sunnygrin1

Agree. Its so funny- the way Malini's character has evolved, she has even demanded absolute attention from the makers/creators. With Malini's character the analogy to 'dementor' that I have seen mentioned several times is right- she has to suck up the attention, sympathy, and now even screen time lol

What I find striking is how in this day and age, at a time when the world is reeling due to a mass death event that has been going on since over a year, people still think that showing suicide on a character like Malini means she must be automatically sympathized with.

Yeh toh wohi baat ho gayi ki logon ki insaaniyat ko shield banaakar koi bhi crime kar lo....as long as you attempt suicide on the side, you get a free pass....cuz if you attempt suicide, that means you are by default a "tragic" figure who really is doing all this over "heartbreak". If someone points out the subconscious manipulative nature of doing a suicide by dressing up like a bride, then that person becomes insensitive....cuz if it's a suicide, everything gets a free pass....even if you found the time to dress up for your own suicide😕.

Once again, Malini's weakness is glorified in this show as being "justified" enough for her to say and do any manner of horrible things to others.....at the end of the day, she tried to kill herself so you must speak in hushed tones about her and dare you point out that she has treated Imlie like dirt when she saw fit and flipped when she wanted to play mahaan. We are all expected to have amnesia about her cuz she tried to commit suicide in dulhan outfit.

Even more amazingly, we aren't expected to feel anything for the people that are put through the emotional trauma and baggage regarding these acts from Malini....supposedly Malini is all "innocent" of the fallout regarding her actions as if she thinks everyone will actually be happy after she slyly taunts them before a suicide attempt and then proceeds to go and take her life....demanding till the very end that someone say I love you to her and then proceeding to try and play smiling martyr again.....as if the person committing suicide is the only one who gets any "insaaniyat" and regard....baaki sab logon ke trauma ki koi value nahin cuz again, suicide is above everything.....jo log zinda reh gaye, unke trauma ka koi matlab nahin it seems.

That is what they are currently showing....that attempting suicide gives you a free pass for life to not be questioned on anything....that attempting suicide suddenly makes all your "heartbreak" valid and everyone should sympathize with you and dare they point out the manipulative nature of your actions cuz hey, you tried to kill yourself on impulse so that must mean you are indeed some tragic saint.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

What I find striking is how in this day and age, at a time when the world is reeling due to a mass death event that has been going on since over a year, people still think that showing suicide on a character like Malini means she must be automatically sympathized with.

Yeh toh wohi baat ho gayi ki logon ki insaaniyat ko shield banaakar koi bhi crime kar lo....as long as you attempt suicide on the side, you get a free pass....cuz if you attempt suicide, that means you are by default a "tragic" figure who really is doing all this over "heartbreak". If someone points out the subconscious manipulative nature of doing a suicide by dressing up like a bride, then that person becomes insensitive....cuz if it's a suicide, everything gets a free pass....even if you found the time to dress up for your own suicide😕.

Once again, Malini's weakness is glorified in this show as being "justified" enough for her to say and do any manner of horrible things to others.....at the end of the day, she tried to kill herself so you must speak in hushed tones about her and dare you point out that she has treated Imlie like dirt when she saw fit and flipped when she wanted to play mahaan. We are all expected to have amnesia about her cuz she tried to commit suicide in dulhan outfit.

Even more amazingly, we aren't expected to feel anything for the people that are put through the emotional trauma and baggage regarding these acts from Malini....supposedly Malini is all "innocent" of the fallout regarding her actions as if she thinks everyone will actually be happy after she slyly taunts them before a suicide attempt and then proceeds to go and take her life....demanding till the very end that someone say I love you to her and then proceeding to try and play smiling martyr again.....as if the person committing suicide is the only one who gets any "insaaniyat" and regard....baaki sab logon ke trauma ki koi value nahin cuz again, suicide is above everything.....jo log zinda reh gaye, unke trauma ka koi matlab nahin it seems.

That is what they are currently showing....that attempting suicide gives you a free pass for life to not be questioned on anything....that attempting suicide suddenly makes all your "heartbreak" valid and everyone should sympathize with you and dare they point out the manipulative nature of your actions cuz hey, you tried to kill yourself on impulse so that must mean you are indeed some tragic saint.

@Bold: This. I have been watching last week on FF but wasn't there some dialogue by Dev, that Malini loves Aditya, like a lot! So to your point, killing herself on impulse means that she is some tragic saint or her love knows no bounds. Iss bada toh koi pyar ho hi nahi sakta types!

Which reminds me of her losing her mind when the picture caught fire. She has always been so insecure and paranoid when it comes to Adi. Depression ek baat hai- but this right here with all that bridal get up shows there is something off in her head.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

What I find striking is how in this day and age, at a time when the world is reeling due to a mass death event that has been going on since over a year, people still think that showing suicide on a character like Malini means she must be automatically sympathized with.

Yeh toh wohi baat ho gayi ki logon ki insaaniyat ko shield banaakar koi bhi crime kar lo....as long as you attempt suicide on the side, you get a free pass....cuz if you attempt suicide, that means you are by default a "tragic" figure who really is doing all this over "heartbreak". If someone points out the subconscious manipulative nature of doing a suicide by dressing up like a bride, then that person becomes insensitive....cuz if it's a suicide, everything gets a free pass....even if you found the time to dress up for your own suicide😕.

Once again, Malini's weakness is glorified in this show as being "justified" enough for her to say and do any manner of horrible things to others.....at the end of the day, she tried to kill herself so you must speak in hushed tones about her and dare you point out that she has treated Imlie like dirt when she saw fit and flipped when she wanted to play mahaan. We are all expected to have amnesia about her cuz she tried to commit suicide in dulhan outfit.

Even more amazingly, we aren't expected to feel anything for the people that are put through the emotional trauma and baggage regarding these acts from Malini....supposedly Malini is all "innocent" of the fallout regarding her actions as if she thinks everyone will actually be happy after she slyly taunts them before a suicide attempt and then proceeds to go and take her life....demanding till the very end that someone say I love you to her and then proceeding to try and play smiling martyr again.....as if the person committing suicide is the only one who gets any "insaaniyat" and regard....baaki sab logon ke trauma ki koi value nahin cuz again, suicide is above everything.....jo log zinda reh gaye, unke trauma ka koi matlab nahin it seems.

That is what they are currently showing....that attempting suicide gives you a free pass for life to not be questioned on anything....that attempting suicide suddenly makes all your "heartbreak" valid and everyone should sympathize with you and dare they point out the manipulative nature of your actions cuz hey, you tried to kill yourself on impulse so that must mean you are indeed some tragic saint.

Malini’s situation now is very similar to that of Imlie’s after she and Aditya have that ‘talk’ in the middle of the road (where he breaks her heart by telling her to marry someone else). She has put her life at stake for him and even though she hasn’t openly declared her love it is obvious how much Imlie loves him. But the way she deals with the heart break and rejection is so different.

Imlie also ‘sets him free’ at that point- but no emotional torture- no demands of affection- as she told him before during that second PD trip- she had so much more to lose. She is looking at a life time of having to live alone - there will be no more of a ‘sunrise’ in her life - she doesn’t even know if the villagers will let her fulfill her career ambitions. Yet- she doesn’t shackle him down in anyway and I guess this is what makes him drift towards her because his relationship with her doesn’t weigh him down rather it lifts him up.

And Malini is ‘setting him free’ by forever dooming his life to the shackles of guilt and unhappiness- that will be the fall out of her suicide- forever tainting his and Imlie’s happiness. Her role as third wheel in her parents traumatic relationship - has probably given her some serious mental health issues. She is representative of so many people living behind the facade of ‘normalcy’. In that way she deserves sympathy and counseling yes. But not for her suicide attempt. Her suicide attempt is actually one of supreme selfishness. She doesn’t really ‘love’ Aditya . I don’t think this is love. She only wants to possess him- it’s all about her ‘place’ in his life. When she speaks to him over the phone, she believes he loves Imlie and yet is bent on squeezing an ILU out of him and in not getting that is like a child who didn’t get that ONE toy for Christmas. This is her ultimate tantrum and as Imlie said to Rupi on VD - you don’t do this to the people who you love.

I hope the makers have written the story - where she isn’t ‘rewarded’ for torturing so many. May be the Tripathis will be symbolic of that group of people who rush to pacify her but I hope Adi doesn’t give her what she wants - this sort of behavior and instruments of emotional manipulation should ever be ‘rewarded’

Originally posted by: Whatever765

@Bold: This. I have been watching last week on FF but wasn't there some dialogue by Dev, that Malini loves Aditya, like a lot! So to your point, killing herself on impulse means that she is some tragic saint or her love knows no bounds. Iss bada toh koi pyar ho hi nahi sakta types!

Which reminds me of her losing her mind when the picture caught fire. She has always been so insecure and paranoid when it comes to Adi. Depression ek baat hai- but this right here with all that bridal get up shows there is something off in her head.

Yes, that is the part that is more grating than anything else....not just Dev...it's everyone....the Tripathis, Adi, even Imlie herself....everyone still continues to call this "love".....no matter how obviously unhinged Malini's behavior gets, they all still continue to call it her "love" for Adi....all she needs to do is cry a little, act a little bechaari and it's like they can't even see the psychoticness of her behavior right in front of their eyes.

Adi claims that talking to Imlie is like talking to a wall yet he is unable to see the obvious conclusion of this behavior from Malini? Until the moment every character in this story keeps calling this psychotic/unhinged behavior "love", the story will keep spiraling.

Adi claims he now understands love after falling in love with Imlie? LOL then prove it.....if he still thinks what Malini is doing is "love", there is no hope for him. The fact that Malini has put on a whole SHOW of her suicide should disturb them all....but sadly it will just make them all feel guilt that Adi not reciprocating Malin's "love" drove her to this🤔.

Originally posted by: Sunnygrin1

And Malini is ‘setting him free’ by forever dooming his life to the shackles of guilt and unhappiness- that will be the fall out of her suicide- forever tainting his and Imlie’s happiness. Her role as third wheel in her parents traumatic relationship - has probably given her some serious mental health issues. She is representative of so many people living behind the facade of ‘normalcy’. In that way she deserves sympathy and counseling yes. But not for her suicide attempt. Her suicide attempt is actually one of supreme selfishness. She doesn’t really ‘love’ Aditya . I don’t think this is love. She only wants to possess him- it’s all about her ‘place’ in his life. When she speaks to him over the phone, she believes he loves Imlie and yet is bent on squeezing an ILU out of him and in not getting that is like a child who didn’t get that ONE toy for Christmas. This is her ultimate tantrum and as Imlie said to Rupi on VD - you don’t do this to the people who you love.

I hope the makers have written the story - where she isn’t ‘rewarded’ for torturing so many. May be the Tripathis will be symbolic of that group of people who rush to pacify her but I hope Adi doesn’t give her what she wants - this sort of behavior and instruments of emotional manipulation should ever be ‘rewarded’

I honestly can't be sure....all signs right now are pointing very much to this suicide attempt very much being rewarded by every character in the story....which is just such an awful message to give out. Since she tried to take her own life, the torturing she is giving to others is brushed aside....all of that is meaningless supposedly.

As for how selfish/not selfish this suicide attempt is....again, all that seems to become moot cuz the suicide attempt becomes the supreme truth, right? They will brush everything else under the carpet....Malini's misbehavior with Imlie, her elitism, her controlling manipulations....all of that is poof cuz she did this one thing.

Until the moment every character in the story keeps claiming what Malini is doing is out of "love", there is no evolving from this. She can traumatize Adi, she can traumatize Imlie....none of that matters cuz they supposedly OWE her whatever she asks for or she'll kill herself😕.

No one even has the guts to raise the point that she has mental issues and needs therapy....they are all still treating her like a fragile saint who supposedly loves and cares for everyone but didn't get love from her husband so off she goes.

The setting free/not setting free debate is also pointless right now....that would be worth discussing if the story was heading anywhere in contrasting why Adi-Imlie are meant for each other and how they uplift each other as partners....but they are just not heading there at this point.....the story is only about glorifying Malini's every action while showing Imlie as someone who must constantly trample on her own sense of self to prop up Malini. Didi will coolly return to the house after her suicide tamasha while Imlie will continue to prostrate at her feet reassuring her that she isn't worthy even of being the dust beneath her feet.....and all of this will continue to be allowed in the story cuz if they don't make Malini feel like a "beloved" Princess, she will kill herself, right? So the self-worth of others must be demeaned to prop her up.

Meanwhile Adi can sit on the side and contemplate his life choices in marrying someone this unhinged....now he has to live with the consequences.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

The setting free/not setting free debate is also pointless right now....that would be worth discussing if the story was heading anywhere in contrasting why Adi-Imlie are meant for each other and how they uplift each other as partners....but they are just not heading there at this point.....the story is only about glorifying Malini's every action while showing Imlie as someone who must constantly trample on her own sense of self to prop up Malini. Didi will coolly return to the house after her suicide tamasha while Imlie will continue to prostrate at her feet reassuring her that she isn't worthy even of being the dust beneath her feet.....and all of this will continue to be allowed in the story cuz if they don't make Malini feel like a "beloved" Princess, she will kill herself, right? So the self-worth of others must be demeaned to prop her up.

Meanwhile Adi can sit on the side and contemplate his life choices in marrying someone this unhinged....now he has to live with the consequences.

I was hoping the story would move forward by Aditya talking it through with Malini and saying how he can never love her. It would be glorious if this attempt by her actually makes him angry with her . I hope he does have this monologue with himself where he ruminates and contrasts her ‘setting him free’ with the way Imlie tried to get out of his life. Even more glorious would be if Imlie even with a little push from Rupi finally blossoms into a character willing to at least support Aditya at this stage - if not fight for her rights. But I guess the makers are afraid that will put her in a negative light - because of course women can only be GOOD in their selfless avatar, if they grovel Or as martyrs.

But I see now from what you have written that it’s possible the story will not move forward by Adi and Imlie standing up to Malini’s manipulation. Rather Malini herself has to move on to a magnanimous mode- where she ultimately blesses Adilie relationship. That would be very disappointing to watch. I hope there are some creatives willing to take a risk and Bring back the fighting spirit of Imlie. If we think about it, Imlie doesn’t know that Malini ‘suspects’ her- we can see that but neither Imlie nor the Tripathis know that. All they can see is a woman who is mad and left the house because her husband will not talk to her and is ignoring her. Imlie on VD was so mad at Rupi and gave her such a good lecture on self - love . This is the Imlie that we would love to see. She has nothing to be guilty about here and it’s high time the makers stop doing this to her character

Originally posted by: Sunnygrin1

That’s pretty disheartening. Seeing how the makers have packaged the Adilie relationship I was still going in with the notion that that is how the story will move forward.

I was hoping the story would move forward by Aditya talking it through with Malini and saying how he can never love her. It would be glorious if this attempt by her actually makes him angry with her . I hope he does have this monologue with himself where he ruminates and contrasts her ‘setting him free’ with the way Imlie tried to get out of his life. Even more glorious would be if Imlie even with a little push from Rupi finally blossoms into a character willing to at least support Aditya at this stage - if not fight for her rights. But I guess the makers are afraid that will put her in a negative light - because of course women can only be GOOD in their selfless avatar, if they grovel Or as martyrs.

But I see now from what you have written that it’s possible the story will not move forward by Adi and Imlie standing up to Malini’s manipulation. Rather Malini herself has to move on to a magnanimous mode- where she ultimately blesses Adilie relationship. That would be very disappointing to watch. I hope there are some creatives willing to take a risk and Bring back the fighting spirit of Imlie. If we think about it, Imlie doesn’t know that Malini ‘suspects’ her- we can see that but neither Imlie nor the Tripathis know that. All they can see is a woman who is mad and left the house because her husband will not talk to her and is ignoring her. Imlie on VD was so mad at Rupi and gave her such a good lecture on self - love . This is the Imlie that we would love to see. She has nothing to be guilty about here and it’s high time the makers stop doing this to her character

I do think Imlie will know soon enough that Malini suspects her and Adi and that is what drove her to the suicide. This will be addressed in some form to drive up Imlie's guilt and then tie in to what I was saying on the previous page.....Imlie will demean herself, try to paint herself as much more inferior to Malini in every way in order to take away Malini's suspicions.....similar to what Adi did last time to divert Malini's attention when she was freaking out over the truth.

Tripathis will ofcourse likely remain clueless other than Rupi knowing and Nishant continuing to suspect Adi-Imlie. But Didi may be temporarily pacified if Imlie demeans herself in front of her and Adi may go along with Imlie in giving Malini the impression that Imlie means nothing to him other than a pity project.

Adi hasn't been shown reflecting on any level why his heart has chosen Imlie in terms of how different she is from Malini.....it's only been about spinning his wheels over telling the truth or hanging back and waiting for Imlie to decide if she wants to be with him.

Not sure when/if Imlie will fight for anything....as she told Rupi, she doesn't consider herself in the right here so she doesn't see what she can fight for. And yes, the makers do seem to be struggling with how to show Adi-Imlie staying true to/valuing their relationship without supposedly doing "injustice" with suicide happy Didi.

I anyways anticipated that long term story would be about Malini deigning to "free" Adi-Imlie so that she can portray the magnanimous image....but I didn't think they would show her being so nasty/elitist with Imlie in the build up to that....so now I'm even more averse to any shows of "magnanimity" from Didi....

If the story becomes about Adi-Imlie just hanging around in purgatory waiting for Malini to "free" them, then yeah it will get very draggy and dark to sit through.

Right now, I'd rather see the PD side of the story......Delhi side has gone to shit thanks to Didi ke kaand.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I do think Imlie will know soon enough that Malini suspects her and Adi and that is what drove her to the suicide. This will be addressed in some form to drive up Imlie's guilt and then tie in to what I was saying on the previous page.....Imlie will demean herself, try to paint herself as much more inferior to Malini in every way in order to take away Malini's suspicions.....similar to what Adi did last time to divert Malini's attention when she was freaking out over the truth.

Tripathis will ofcourse likely remain clueless other than Rupi knowing and Nishant continuing to suspect Adi-Imlie. But Didi may be temporarily pacified if Imlie demeans herself in front of her and Adi may go along with Imlie in giving Malini the impression that Imlie means nothing to him other than a pity project.

Adi hasn't been shown reflecting on any level why his heart has chosen Imlie in terms of how different she is from Malini.....it's only been about spinning his wheels over telling the truth or hanging back and waiting for Imlie to decide if she wants to be with him.

Not sure when/if Imlie will fight for anything....as she told Rupi, she doesn't consider herself in the right here so she doesn't see what she can fight for. And yes, the makers do seem to be struggling with how to show Adi-Imlie staying true to/valuing their relationship without supposedly doing "injustice" with suicide happy Didi.

I anyways anticipated that long term story would be about Malini deigning to "free" Adi-Imlie so that she can portray the magnanimous image....but I didn't think they would show her being so nasty/elitist with Imlie in the build up to that....so now I'm even more averse to any shows of "magnanimity" from Didi....

If the story becomes about Adi-Imlie just hanging around in purgatory waiting for Malini to "free" them, then yeah it will get very draggy and dark to sit through.

Right now, I'd rather see the PD side of the story......Delhi side has gone to shit thanks to Didi ke kaand.

@Bold1: Didnt Adi also say in some good days of the show, that kismat se ladh ka jhagad ke apna haq lena padta hai and that he is with her? I was promised that story, I am hoping I see that story too. I am not sure how Adi and Imlie will ever be able to build a life together with a charity mein mila hua rishta!

@Bold2: yes PD track please. And that is what I have been craving for- a certain balance. Jab PD track pe focus tha, side me dikhaya na Delhi ka torture? Yes show the freak show to get the soap drama going, but balance the episode, is it that difficult?

Originally posted by: Whatever765

@Bold1: Didnt Adi also say in some good days of the show, that kismat se ladh ka jhagad ke apna haq lena padta hai and that he is with her? I was promised that story, I am hoping I see that story too. I am not sure how Adi and Imlie will ever be able to build a life together with a charity mein mila hua rishta!

@Bold2: yes PD track please. And that is what I have been craving for- a certain balance. Jab PD track pe focus tha, side me dikhaya na Delhi ka torture? Yes show the freak show to get the soap drama going, but balance the episode, is it that difficult?

LOL@ good old days of the show.....well, Adi said all that in the PD track which might as well be an AU for the story at this point😆....and abhi toh sab confused lagte hain ki Kismat kya hai aur pyar kya hai😆

Saath toh abhi bhi de lega na Imlie ka....lol he will continue to support her studies etc. I'm sure....baaki he will give saath to Malini didi as reward for her suicide kaand....dono taraf se insaaniyat nibhaayega Adi ab😆.....abhi Imlie ke haq ka discussion will be tabled for a bit again😆.....Rupi might be the only one bringing it up in T house....baaki Mithi roti rahegi in PD about her bitiya ka haq😆

Originally posted by: AreYaar

LOL@ good old days of the show.....well, Adi said all that in the PD track which might as well be an AU for the story at this point😆....and abhi toh sab confused lagte hain ki Kismat kya hai aur pyar kya hai😆

Saath toh abhi bhi de lega na Imlie ka....lol he will continue to support her studies etc. I'm sure....baaki he will give saath to Malini didi as reward for her suicide kaand....dono taraf se insaaniyat nibhaayega Adi ab😆.....abhi Imlie ke haq ka discussion will be tabled for a bit again😆.....Rupi might be the only one bringing it up in T house....baaki Mithi roti rahegi in PD about her bitiya ka haq😆

@bold 2 - Aur Satykaam ka kaa ... such a good character and so completely wasted at this point. Assuming there would have been a parallel track if serial shooting was as normal but prolly they are saving him for better days . I also would not want to see a track where Satyakaam has to threaten to kill Adi for him to stand up again for Imlie or his life being in peril is what forces Didi to let go of him from her clutches. I am having an anxiety attack here thinking of all the disastrous ways creatives can kill this show 🤢.