Barrister Babu Episode Discussion Thread - Page 104

Originally posted by: NoraSM

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I already stated that her opinion is the most important but the responsibility is not her, she should not face consequences of the decision, this is Anirudh's primary responsibility

@Bold 1

Can you quote the evidence? I don't think they ask for consent of any party if one wants divorce or annulment, one can file petition in court, court can't force anyone to stay with his child bride

@Bold 2

According to Guardians and Wards act, a child's preference is considered if he or she is older than 9 years, but it is only considered, a child can't decide, the decision is taken by court, suppose a child wants to live with his mother but she can't provide safe and healthy environments for him or the child wants to live with father because he is super rich and will get him toys (Yes, Children can be manipulated by telling them that they'll be given everything and this life will seem better than a healthy life with other parent), but the father can't provide healthy lifestyle, so opinion is taken but they are given the decision making power as far as I know

Lastly, I am not even saying anything against Bondita, I feel she should not be burdened with responsibility or consequences of the decision, Anirudh should take it as he is the adult, what is wrong in this? Ask her opinion but don't leave the responsibility on her, that's it. Do you want the burden of consequences on Bondita?

That's the case for now. In those times, it was a highly complicated thing. The court had the final decision but the opinion was still asked for, in those times. Cause there were a high number of child brides that time and the modern reformed laws were not present, majority of the people were against child marriage abolishment, hence taking everything into consideration, the opinion of the child bride was asked for. Not that it meant that her consent would be the final word, but it was still heard.

@Bold - I knew this would arise. Again saying the court has the final decision, but the opinion of the child is asked for. You only said that it is considered, I am saying that too, it is considered, no matter what the court decides. Yes children can be manipulated, but it is still asked for, there is a recheck on the child's condition after the custody to see if the decision taken is right or wrong, and again the opinion of the child is asked.

@UL - Am not saying Anirudh is right in this. It's okay to ask for her opinion, but he is leaving the whole of the responsibility on Bondita which is wrong. It's not correctly shown.

But my previous reply was not based on whether Anirudh is right or wrong. It was on the statement that kids can't have consent on child marriages that is why it is illegal. It's true. But in those times, the opinion of the already married child bride did matter. Not that it is the final word or something, but yes it mattered.

To be very frank, the show is not depicting it as a child marriage. The words of Anirudh as, "Bondita ka phaisla maine rakhta hai kyunki vo ek aurat hai" is mostly on how the opinion of women matters in divorce/annulment. The show is not treating it as a child's opinion, but as a woman's opinion. It's not right that the responsibility is on Bondita because she is young, but as I said the show is mostly focusing on the opinion of a woman. It's better if we too don't connect it to laws and child marriage annulment facts cause the show is clearly not doing so.

Originally posted by: faja

ul:jo mere man mein tha tum ne bol li.. Indu.. ⭐️

Opinion of the child do matters...

They might nit know marriage in an actual sense, but they do know if they are mistreated or they wanted to there

If the same should have been asked to lil Bon, immediately after mrg, she should have happily chosen ma.. now its not the case. Also if the child is having a torturous experience, will they still stick on? unlike adults they arenot sure of the consequences, hence might not supress in a toxic environment, if given an opportunity. The consent of the guardian of minor girl are important too, but not that girls consent in public doesnot matter.. If they planned in private and he says in public, it may still look like his decision or he manipulated, brainwashed, or blackmailed her.

Here be it his impulsive action or his wild card thinking Bon wont give consent, but whatever he said as Bon has a voice was much the truth..

Yes, exactly Faja. Bondita's voice is important, no matter what the final decision is. It's wrong that the whole of the responsibility of the stay of the marriage is projected on Bondita, but her opinion does matters. The thing is it's not shown correctly. As much as her opinion matters, does not mean that the final decision be left on her. But I think the show is not dwelling on that. The real facts are not considered in the show, so we too should not consider it. The show is mainly highlighting the point that the woman's opinion is the most important, not considering the fact that Bon is a child. More than a child marriage thing, it is looking like a normal marriage annulment/divorce but that's how BB is. It has never given real laws, dates, facts and history a place in the script and we should too not try to correlate.

Originally posted by: Indira12

That's the case for now. In those times, it was a highly complicated thing. The court had the final decision but the opinion was till asked for, in those times. Cause there were a high number of child brides that time and the modern reformed laws were not present, majority of the people were against child marriage abolishment, hence taking everything into consideration, the opinion of the child bride was asked for. Not that it meant that her consent would be the final word, but it was still heard.

@Bold - I knew this would arise. Again saying the court has the final decision, but the opinion of the child is asked for. You only said that it is considered, I am saying that too, it is considered, no matter what the court decides. Yes children can be manipulated, but it is still asked for, there is a recheck on the child's condition after the custody to see if the decision taken is right or wrong, and again the opinion of the child is asked.

@UL - Am not saying Anirudh is right in this. It's okay to ask for her opinion, but he is leaving the whole of the responsibility on Bondita which is wrong. It's not correctly shown.

But my previous reply was not based on whether Anirudh is right or wrong. It was on the statement that kids can't have consent on child marriages that is why it is illegal. It's true. But in those times, the opinion of the already married child bride did matter. Not that it is the final word or something, but yes it mattered.

To be very frank, the show is not depicting it as a child marriage. The words of Anirudh as, "Bondita ka phaisla maine rakhta hai kyunki vo ek aurat hai" is mostly on how the opinion of women matters in divorce/annulment. The show is not treating it as a child's opinion, but as a woman's opinion. It's not right that the responsibility is on Bondita because she is young, but as I said the show is mostly focusing on the opinion of woman. It's better if we too don't connect it to laws and child marriage annulment facts cause the show is clearly not doing so.

I already said her opinion is of primary importance, so why are we having this discussion? Where did I say that he shouldn't ask her?

@Bold

Is there a book where I can read more about it? If someone files for annulment, how does opinion of other party matter? If I want to annul the marriage, court can't force me to stay with the person, this is violation of my rights

I just don't understand in which setting, would the court ask a child bride's opinion as this is not a custody case, where kid is asked which parent she likes the best, this is an annulment case where one has filed a petition to end the marriage, court doesn't take suo moto cognizance of these cases. Guardians of children or children when they are adult file for annulment, the law doesn't work on past marriages

The court is granting divorce or annulment, not the person so he or she can say that they want to remain in the marriage but court won't force an unwilling person to stay in marriage

Why would opinion of the other party matter?

I never said he shouldn't ask her opinion, I said he should face the consequences of his decision, don't leave it on Bondita as she is a child, I have already stated two scenarios where she will feel guilty and it has been stretched far too long for it to be a coherent discussion

Anyway, Anything I write is opposed here regardless of the context so I am bidding you a good bye, stay safe

Originally posted by: Indira12

Yes, exactly Faja. Bondita's voice is important, no matter what the final decision is. It's wrong that the whole of the responsibility of the stay of the marriage is projected on Bondita, but her opinion does matters. The thing is it's not shown correctly. As much as her opinion matters, does not mean that the final decision be left on her. But I think the show is not dwelling on that. The real facts are not considered in the show, so we too should not consider it. The show is mainly highlighting the point that the woman's opinion is the most important, not considering the fact that Bon is a child. More than a child marriage thing, it is looking like a normal marriage annulment/divorce but that's how BB is. It has never given real laws, dates, facts and history a place in the script and we should too not try to correlate.

ul:my point too.. which is something that is of greatest concern even the day.

@bold: agree there is drama angle too mixing up and sometimes messing up the facts.. after all its a show not a documentary, to not bring any drama in.. Sometimes when they go overboard, we react.. else accept its so and take the good from it.. troll or neglect the rest for our own peace of mind.

As far as Ani is considered on many instant, he has seen Bon as an adult or just his wife not a chila even unknowingly, right from stopping her touching his foot to HM accusation. So its just not totally and out of ARC thing.. we know he oscillates

Now coming to rishta ka kya mod dega depends on Bon.. ARC to bas mahan ban rahe the, washing his hands from the social expectation.On the other side, considering the society where everthing functioned on men's final word, taking the final word of a women is a progressive thought, but here she is a child. But in BB land as u said when the matter of reforms it was always 'aurat' Bon bhi..

Also all we say about legal formalities has a present base, I dont know how divorce was legally conceived then.. If its now either with mutual consent file it, or on opposition fight for it to see who won over whom..

So if this was true then, Bon simple consent wont make the marriage valid, but it is for the society that she has a major voice. from the point of drama it connects too because that was ARC's way of coming out of duwitha.. kill the snake but noy break the pole.. I wont say again bringing the child in the centre spot is right or wrong. But all I say is Indu what he said about in the perspective of woman, taking out the drama.. his words had a positive impact on me as a woman..

Originally posted by: Rudhita18

exactly .......Hii jyoti 🤗🤗I am Hema 😊😊

Hi hema nice to meet you🤗

Acha still that discussion is going on🤪

Originally posted by: rajiraji14

Agree yaar acc to 1929 law only thy can consider future childmarr as illegal and can prevent tat frm happening,no law passed fr annulment of previously happened child marr... ok if we consider ARC annuling his marr to set an example to society,thn he cant apply fr divorce,as fr divorce thy wont consider reason tat bride is child nu,so we all can assume tat on mutual consent thy r going fr divorce thn its logical bt makers didnt mention ths anywhere in series bt all viewers should be brilliant if u wanba watch BB so tat watever makers show we should assume like ths logically....

Iss sab ke peeche ek hee maksad hai ARC ka Raj his favourite pass time mehfil bulao Tamasha karo.

Originally posted by: faja

ul:my point too.. which is something that is of greatest concern even the day.

@bold: agree there is drama angle too mixing up and sometimes messing up the facts.. after all its a show not a documentary, to not bring any drama in.. Sometimes when they go overboard, we react.. else accept its so and take the good from it.. troll or neglect the rest for our own peace of mind.

As far as Ani is considered on many instant, he has seen Bon as an adult or just his wife not a chila even unknowingly, right from stopping her touching his foot to HM accusation. So its just not totally and out of ARC thing.. we know he oscillates

Now coming to rishta ka kya mod dega depends on Bon.. ARC to bas mahan ban rahe the, washing his hands from the social expectation.On the other side, considering the society where everthing functioned on men's final word, taking the final word of a women is a progressive thought, but here she is a child. But in BB land as u said when the matter of reforms it was always 'aurat' Bon bhi..

Also all we say about legal formalities has a present base, I dont know how divorce was legally conceived then.. If its now either with mutual consent file it, or on opposition fight for it to see who won over whom..

So if this was true then, Bon simple consent wont make the marriage valid, but it is for the society that she has a major voice. from the point of drama it connects too because that was ARC's way of coming out of duwitha.. kill the snake but noy break the pole.. I wont say again bringing the child in the centre spot is right or wrong. But all I say is Indu what he said about in the perspective of woman, taking out the drama.. his words had a positive impact on me as a woman..

When it comes to what society will say,

I suppose his action is primarily based on Bon will hold on to him..

to he is her rakshak babu, he will fight the odds of society for her as he did always..

But surprise surprise khel me if she supports, him, ARC ka popat.. They won it legally..but then what comes with the society would be the actual plot.. like in CHA track, which was a new sort of information for many of us

Originally posted by: jdr_26

Anirudh Roy Choudhary is an entirely different species of Barrister all together who manages to pass a law annulling past child marriages as well as preventing future ones too

Aree Deepti he’s ARC all in one, petitioner bhi woh, barrister bhi woh aur judge bhi wohi 🤷‍♀️

Originally posted by: Itsmesabah

Mohbbat ki giraft baap re meri mummy ne yeh dekh liya toh tabiyat se kutai honi hai meri😝

matlab bhi to samjaho..

ye tough Hindi hai mere liye

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I already said her opinion is of primary importance, so why are we having this discussion? Where did I say that he shouldn't ask her?

@Bold

Is there a book where I can read more about it? If someone files for annulment, how does opinion of other party matter? If I want to annul the marriage, court can't force me to stay with the person, this is violation of my rights

I just don't understand in which setting, would the court ask a child bride's opinion as this is not a custody case, where kid is asked which parent she likes the best, this is an annulment case where one has filed a petition to end the marriage, court doesn't take suo moto cognizance of these cases. Guardians of children or children when they are adult file for annulment, the law doesn't work on past marriages

The court is granting divorce or annulment, not the person so he or she can say that they want to remain in the marriage but court won't force an unwilling person to stay in marriage

Why would opinion of the other party matter?

I never said he shouldn't ask her opinion, I said he should face the consequences of his decision, don't leave it on Bondita as she is a child, I have already stated two scenarios where she will feel guilty and it has been stretched far too long for it to be a coherent discussion

Anyway, Anything I write is opposed here regardless of the context so I am bidding you a good bye, stay safe

To your answer for @Bold, see you are looking it in the context of the modern era. I told you it was not like that in those times. About the violation of the rights, let us take an example of that time. If suppose the husband of the child bride does not want to stay in the marriage, the court could not have annuled it because that era was different. Most of the time the family of the child might not want her back because girls were considered a bojh that time. Now, no one wants to take the responsibility of the child, so where should the child go? Not that it is like today where the court would force the parents to accept their girl and free the husband from marriage. That time provisions for the girl child were less so the court could not have just rule out the marriage that time so easily. It had to take everything in it's consideration, in which one of them was the child's opinion. Again not that it was the final decision, but it was taken. About reading it, well go through the internet and read some cases where in those times it was not easy like today.

@Italics - See, you wanted the marriage to end, it is ending, doesn't matter how. About your concern for how Anirudh should have dealt with it or thought about her responsibility, it is exactly the reason why people wanted THIS PARTICULAR marriage to not end. This was a primary concern from the beginning as how Anirudh would have done it. And now if the makers or Anirudh come up with a middle ground, it's fine then. The concern ends.

@Bold - Well, for that Nora, I can say only one thing. If you want others to "try" and have an understanding of your opinion, you should "try " to understand their opinion too. Anyways, good bye and stay safe too.