Was Namaste London Regressive? - Page 9

Originally posted by: Charaiveti

ya gone with the wind has been criticised heavily for showing a whitewashed picture of slavery. almost tlas if the slaves were very happy with slavery . Its really eye opening

Exactly why no one ever says watch ' gone with the wind' to know the history of the south and civil war... why Films in general are classified as drama, commercial , Documentary...even a documentary movie cannot give the whole truth sometimes. It can only focus on things that slipped away...or who is funding it to give a certain narrative.

Gone with the wind does not even touch upon the horrors of slavery ...it never even takes that direction. I personally think the filmmakers inadvertantly show Blacks were happy with slavery. What else can we say...the movie was make by white folks.

Thats why i think film folks should stick to what they can do best and not try to moral police the most moralistic society i.e the middle class (esp Bollywood.)

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Yes most of 90s movies carried such message that parents choice are best

But honestly i think jazz would not be happy with akshay kumars character

They show in bollywood that girls brought up in london can settle in some remote village easily

But i doubt an indian second tier brought up girl can live in villages

Like i know a woman she lived in city married to another city which is conservative city in north india. From jeans pants skirts etc shes supposed to wear ghunghat and only saree full day at home .

She cannot go out without in laws permission or husband accompanying her everywhere till she was in her 40s (may be they are scared she will run away etc ). Even after kids are like 10-15 year olds shes not allowed to wear pant shirt or salwar. Shes expected to cook for 10-15 joint family etc And yes she hates her parents and elder siblings for marrying her off like that and does not have good relation with her parents and siblings for forcing her into such a place

So its not easy like in movie to be this independent modern lady whose studied in a big college with all liberal values to go into a conservative city and family with no freedom no liberal values and thoughts

Akshay kumar cannot be a man of indian village or city too - i doubt person like him exist at all atleast in india

I know a very young girl she is IT professional in metro city was married to a man whose an IT professional himself but this man hes highly qualified BE, MBA from US etc Hes highly jealous that his wife works he troubled her so much she left job went into depression etc. He wants her to cook him fresh meals although she may come home at 10pm all dead tired. The girl too is a BE but has to take such things. So even most educated young men do not behave like Akshay in big metro cities of india. How did akshay in village become so good?

So majority women who marry in india will face the above two kind of life only 90% of time. 10% some men will be liberal husbands. In village or tier 2 city i doubt anyone is like Akshay at all. When in big metroes hardly you find such men. In office and with others how men behave is diff from how they behave with wife and family at home. So outside they act liberal wth classmates and colleagues. They will not behave same with a wife

The real issue starts after 3 to 6 months into marraige in such cases. That they did not explore at all once they settle in village and has to wear ghunghat and go and get 30-60 buckets of water from village well etc make rotis from cow dung or wash cows. Start doing all that than we will see how much katrina loves akshay. Movies romaticise living in conservative way, its not that easy for city bred women. Real life starts after 3 months when you have to cook for 20 people in joint family

Actually, the majority of hit films from 90s and 00s don’t seem to support such forced marriages... HDDCS is the only other example (besides NL ofc) I can think of tbh, and even there we are encouraged to sympathise with Nandini too (though she was actually worse than Jazz in a way, breaking Sameer’s heart in the end though he was a good guy) , whereas in NL it is presented as if Jazz was 100% wrong and her dad was 100% right...

But yeah I agree totally that Jazz would have never been happy with Arjun in real life... and even if Arjun was enamoured by Jazz's beauty and posh British ways, how likely would it be that Arjun's traditional joint family back in the village would accept a girl like Jazz with open arms? Jazz was a drinking, smoking independent minded girl who had bfs before marrying Arjun... not to mention she spoke poor hindi/punjabi, and had little knowledge of cooking and housework...

Anyone who actually knows anything about India (who is willing to take off their rose tinted glasses first) will accept that Indian village in laws are rarely easy on their DILs... and let alone villagers, even in cities Indian husbands and in laws are often very harsh on their DILs/SILs/wives, (like in the examples you shared)...

I know of a city based family who were upper middle class, with a PHD holding son, where the MIL not only controlled her DIL's whole life during waking hours, but insisted that she wore nothing but a cotton sari TO SLEEP... nighties, salwar kameez, pjs were banned 😕...

I also know a more lower middle class city based family where the MIL and her daughters would routinely insult and bully ALL the DILs over everything from their economic status to their family background to their weight to their complexion... and the DILs were expected to never say a world back and silently cook and clean away for the whole extended family even on special occasions (MIL couldn't stand takeaways or caterers), and entertain surprise visits from the rude SILs and their (equally rude) kids whenever...

And to think these Indian ladies we know who suffered so much at their in laws hands weren't even half as culturally and socially far removed from their sasural as Jazz was from her's...

Pata nahi iss writer ne kya phoonk ke likkha iss kahani

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

So true. I used to experience culture shocks when I visited my grandparents in their village. There is nothing romantic about cooking for a huge joint family without a day off. People brought up in nuclear family find it all the more difficult to adjust in a joint family.

Family values and cultures differ even within people of same lineage residing in the same locality. If a girl marries into a more conservative family then her mental and physical health will go for a toss.

I can't slave in the kitchen like how my mother did... Education and exposure makes girls assertive. They want to have a say in their life.. They want to have some time and space for themselves. All this isn't generally possible in a traditional set up

Yeah it is 100% true that there are many Indias within India... an Indian city girl raised in a nuclear family would find it really difficult to adjust to life in a huge ultra traditional joint family in some back of the beyond village as well...

And forced marriage would equally bad to me even if a girl was forcibly married off to a boy in the west, or if both parties were settled in India or if both parties were settled in the U.K....

Its not just about India vs west...

And it’s also very true that most of the time, when a traditionally minded girl marries into a more liberal family, everything goes ok... but when a liberal minded girl marries into a more traditional family, things rarely go well...

Like you (and me as well), most Indians girls would actually hope for a more liberal set up than the one their past generations had... and even the rare ones who don’t would not take well to being married off by force...

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

Reports from UK often talk of forced marriages. Some Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs living abroad see no qualms about forcing their daughters to get married to a guy she has never seen or interact with and isn't interested in.

First they get the girl married forcibly.. And in case she rebels, they ostracize her or even worse do 'honour killing'

Yeah it was very prevalent among Asian communities here in the 70s-00s kind of period...

There’s was one very high profile case in early 00s I think of a British Pakistani girl who’s parents wanted to force her to marry someone back home, (as she was apparently getting too westernised, and wanted to go to university)... the girl apparently point blank refused to go so the parents murdered her 😔

Then ofcourse slowly with more awareness around it through media and NGOs (there is one I know of that got started just for forced marriages called Karma Nirvana), they thankfully began dwindling...

But although it is rarer now, they definitely do go on here and there... I heard recently from a friend that she knew of a girl who got sent from U.K. to Pakistan and was married off forcibly to some relative there... she was only 16 💔

On a lighter note, I couldn't get past the fact that the white guy was named after a cartoon character. Seriously Charlie Brown 😆

Yes that’s why it is Regressive Thug’s favorite movie.

the movie was regressive for katrina's character wherein the father was hell bent on getting his daughter married from a guy in india like promising his friend which is BS...one should have the independence to live the life they want...the way the father criticized and felt ashamed of his own wife was practically disheartening to see...also the stereotypical representation of indians by foreigners was terrible (im not disagreeing that it doesnt exist but the way it was portrayed shows that BW has developed a stereotypical image of foreigners perceiving from the past)...

Originally posted by: Charaiveti

Not to mention Rishi kapoors character treated his own wife so poorly n then acted like indian men r gems. I mean look in d mirror man😕

IKR?! Doesn’t like wife because she’s too desi... doesn’t like daughter because she’s too western...

It’s almost as if he’s the problem 🤔

Originally posted by: MujheMaarjaneDo

So now it has six pages of bashing of Akki's movie, will now SRK fans stop using the "only my SRK is bashed" card.

Just to clarify I don’t hate Akshay, neither is SRK my favourite actor 🤷🏽‍♀️

I just hated this film and wondered if anyone on here would share my sentiments

Originally posted by: Anjalika01

Just to clarify I don’t hate Akshay, neither is SRK my favourite actor 🤷🏽‍♀️

I just hated this film and wondered if anyone on here would share my sentiments

I wasn't talking about you.