Suman's parameters of judgement - Page 3

Very good discussion is going on abt Sumans character sketch here .....I totally agree with all you all have said here abt Suman I just like to add my two scent here ......firstly I believe there is no need of this Vikram character in the show and story he seems to such a boring character inorganic friendship between him and shravan there is no need for it Kiya hai yeh Vikram shravan best friend ......so annoying ideally cvs must show shravan Suman track in army mission where both go together and rediscover their love and Suman knowing what a gem of a soldier shravan has become but bringing shravan in Suman house and making him love guru of Vikram is pissing me off.....now my second point is abt the new entry of a girl in shravan life she seems to be a prototype co dude that’s actress .....right now what cvs had done with Suman it made me feel angry on Suman as a viewer rather then being sympathasizing with her I wonder how will go na be the character of new girl if she looks good with shravan and a positive character then cvs really dig a grave for Suman .......as viewers will start shipping shravan with that girl more ..... cvs must show an army track for Suvan rather then showing them in Bhopal and just vanish this unwanted Vikram character he seems forced as hell ......this show has lost its essence which hurt me since last week I was thinking now after court verdict army mission track will kick start with new Suvan phase but after watching fridays epi and new promo all my hopes are drowning .....yes I also believe cvs might go in this way like in the end Suman might realise shravan true love but it will be late as shravan might die In army mission and Suman standing in front of his portrait that’s it .....

Originally posted by: Khyati8

I am annoyed at shravan for calling vikram and sharing the whole mawa jalebi thing with him to cheer up suman. He is just too into this and this whole being a large hearted person is going overboard for me now.

Suman i am appalled at how she has been shown since the break up. She seems to have lost empathy emotions and cannot see beyond her and her pain regarding losing her dad. Nothing or no one else in the world matter anymore it is all about her and her dad.

This grief excuse people keep using the loss of losing both parents it's so half baked and lame. So she lost her parents that should give her the right to walk over everyone around her? And really people want to feel the pain of the loss of a mother Who was anyway always a wallpaper. If writers were going to use this angle they should've shown something regarding her and her mom's bonding. I am not even going into the discussion that she herself rarely mentions her mom

Suman today comes across as self centered sadist egoistic selfish judgemental person. No sane person should ever get into a relationship with her if they want a peaceful life.

Oh also blind because otherwise it was pretty obvious shravan wasn't dancing today. But wow he isn't even allowed to celebrate his dad getting acquitted? the court has given the verdict devraj is not guilty of treason but nai suman ne man liya guilty hai toh hai naa kya.

This is some epic ego trip she is on with no end in sight. 🤔

Totally agree that nobody will want to get into relationship with such type of person unless he or she is blinded by love. Before leap she was a completely different person. After leap her mind is filled with only negative things. Her presence in the scene brings more negativity than a negative character.

Originally posted by: LuvAlways

Totally agree that nobody will want to get into relationship with such type of person unless he or she is blinded by love. Before leap she was a completely different person. After leap her mind is filled with only negative things. Her presence in the scene brings more negativity than a negative character.

This is the real sad part. I don't mind her character changing overall because any big tragedy in life can change people....that's just how life is. But what the writers have done has taken her character to the extreme without providing a logical justification for it. That is why her character brings negativity to every scene rather than any sense of rational thought.

Before the leap also she used to be a judgemental person but not to this irrational a level. The writers have taken her to the extreme and totally shut down her brain.

Originally posted by: taya2217

Very good discussion is going on abt Sumans character sketch here .....I totally agree with all you all have said here abt Suman I just like to add my two scent here ......firstly I believe there is no need of this Vikram character in the show and story he seems to such a boring character inorganic friendship between him and shravan there is no need for it Kiya hai yeh Vikram shravan best friend ......so annoying ideally cvs must show shravan Suman track in army mission where both go together and rediscover their love and Suman knowing what a gem of a soldier shravan has become but bringing shravan in Suman house and making him love guru of Vikram is pissing me off.....now my second point is abt the new entry of a girl in shravan life she seems to be a prototype co dude that’s actress .....right now what cvs had done with Suman it made me feel angry on Suman as a viewer rather then being sympathasizing with her I wonder how will go na be the character of new girl if she looks good with shravan and a positive character then cvs really dig a grave for Suman .......as viewers will start shipping shravan with that girl more ..... cvs must show an army track for Suvan rather then showing them in Bhopal and just vanish this unwanted Vikram character he seems forced as hell ......this show has lost its essence which hurt me since last week I was thinking now after court verdict army mission track will kick start with new Suvan phase but after watching fridays epi and new promo all my hopes are drowning .....yes I also believe cvs might go in this way like in the end Suman might realise shravan true love but it will be late as shravan might die In army mission and Suman standing in front of his portrait that’s it .....

LOL Vikram's character is a total cliche and yes, ideally there is no need for these random new partners for Suman or Shravan....these two have enough personality issues to work through without adding random ppl to the mix. But the writers want to go for cliches, so what can we do.

Because of the pandemic, the team can't really show much in terms of army mission tracks I suppose....so they are sticking to typical side angle drama. I personally don't mind relationship drama but I wish it wasn't being shown with such cliches, that's all.

As for new girl.....lol well ppl will ship whatever they want to. If all it takes is a random new character for ppl to lose connect to the original pair in this show, then I doubt they ever understood the characters and their relationship to begin with😆.

Sumo is frustrating and irritating as hell right now but ultimately this story is about her and Shravan only....I'm still going to root for them to find their way to each other. Agar random new logon ke aane se hum bhi apna mind change kar lein toh phir hum mein aur Sumo mein kya difference reh jaayega.😆

Originally posted by: naadanmasakalli

Yes then she will have more fodder to waste another 7 years harassing someone and ghaseeto them on court kachehri and have an accessory in name of vakil to flaunt 😆 and then she will again give bhashans on dhokebaaz shravan how he wore it and died waise bhi she was pissed one day on him.keeping his life on line as if she really cares agar koi iske aas paas jiye ya mare

I sometimes also think how much Suman and Tiwaris ki soch narrowed within a second.

Vijay was Suman's dad....but before he was her dad, he was also a young man once.....and that is the time from when Devraj knew him. Kisi ne ek second ke liye bhi yeh nahin socha ki Devraj has known Vijay for half his life too....woh uska bhi dost tha....aur saccha dost tha, before misunderstandings pulled them apart.

I think back to one of my fav. scenes post lockdown when Shravan goes to Devraj to talk about him and Vijay and Devraj reminds Shravan that him and Vijay know each other from before their kids can fathom....they have their own relationship that they will sort out. Sadly, in all this mess, all that history has been brushed under the carpet.

Now everyone keeps screaming that Devraj is the culprit....all Devraj is guilty of is negligence, and he paid for it. Did anyone pause to think even for a second that the person who died was also Devraj's friend? To accuse him of being the "direct cause" of his own friend's death so callously for so long....is that a small thing? Woh insaan nahin hai? Usko guilt nahin feel hota hoga ki his negligence played a part? But to keep dragging it on for so long to try and paint him the direct culprit is insane.

Socho agar yehi kaam Rajendra ne kiya hota....say he was negligent about something and that indirectly contributed to Vijay's death.....would these Tiwaris still be baying for his blood to this day? Would all the ppl who still claim that "Devraj is being let off easy" still say the same if it was Rajendra in his shoes? Conveniently no, I guess. Devraj gets targeted cuz he did one wrong thing....even if that wrong thing wasn't the direct cause for Vijay's death. Still, ppl insist on wanting their pound of flesh from Devraj.....without looking at the facts and history of the matter.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I sometimes also think how much Suman and Tiwaris ki soch narrowed within a second.

Vijay was Suman's dad....but before he was her dad, he was also a young man once.....and that is the time from when Devraj knew him. Kisi ne ek second ke liye bhi yeh nahin socha ki Devraj has known Vijay for half his life too....woh uska bhi dost tha....aur saccha dost tha, before misunderstandings pulled them apart.

I think back to one of my fav. scenes post lockdown when Shravan goes to Devraj to talk about him and Vijay and Devraj reminds Shravan that him and Vijay know each other from before their kids can fathom....they have their own relationship that they will sort out. Sadly, in all this mess, all that history has been brushed under the carpet.

Now everyone keeps screaming that Devraj is the culprit....all Devraj is guilty of is negligence, and he paid for it. Did anyone pause to think even for a second that the person who died was also Devraj's friend? To accuse him of being the "direct cause" of his own friend's death so callously for so long....is that a small thing? Woh insaan nahin hai? Usko guilt nahin feel hota hoga ki his negligence played a part? But to keep dragging it on for so long to try and paint him the direct culprit is insane.

Socho agar yehi kaam Rajendra ne kiya hota....say he was negligent about something and that indirectly contributed to Vijay's death.....would these Tiwaris still be baying for his blood to this day? Would all the ppl who still claim that "Devraj is being let off easy" still say the same if it was Rajendra in his shoes? Conveniently no, I guess. Devraj gets targeted cuz he did one wrong thing....even if that wrong thing wasn't the direct cause for Vijay's death. Still, ppl insist on wanting their pound of flesh from Devraj.....without looking at the facts and history of the matter.

Exactly this the irony is even now suman isn't giving a fair chance to him to agleast let whatever er he is holding inside out all they need is to talk both of them so it can ease the guilt and complaints whatever it is they need a face off so they can relieve each other . Devraj does need a conversation for someone close to vinay so atleast he can put his side.

You I loved thay scene and even the vijay and devraj's scene just before daddu went crazy. That had the essence of what their friendship has been all their ups and downs and their understanding it is one of my favs of both papas and I think the only time they reminisced their friendship like that and it gave us so much more on what kind of relationship they've shared but ofcourse people have short term memory and they don't seem to even recall the past when needed it is what it is on face value and according to own presumptions*sigh*

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Like many others, I'm also genuinely stumped by what the writers are attempting to show with Suman since the breakup and it's aftermath.

Writers botched this up so badly. Its like they take one step forward and two steps back👎🏼

1) She keeps repeating that she never really knew Shravan, he gave her dhoka....but we are never given any basis for this other than the one FB of Daddu saying "corrupt Devraj made the faulty vests which caused Vijay's death".....in this FB, it is DEVRAJ who is being accused....so where does Shravan get attached to this point?

Literally, nowhere! What dhoka is she talking about? Does she herself know? Dhoka means you know something and purposefully hide it from the other! Did Shravan do any of it? Dhoka is exactly what she is doing with Vikram right now 😳 The great dadu was the biggest dhokebaaz🤣, he gave dhoka to the whole family and that dhokebaaz line becomes the basis of Sumos witch hunt.

2) Today, we are shown that she only ponders giving Shravan the benefit of doubt for a second cuz TODAY she saw genuine pain in his eyes and felt he might sincerely feel grief over her father's death? WHERE did Shravan EVER show anything BUT grief for her father's death? He was literally WITH her the moment she got the news, he literally held her while she cried.... and he was right in front of her eyes at the funeral....she saw his tears for her with her own eyes and she still has DOUBT about him feeling pain for her father....what kind of amazing amnesia is this?😕

Shravan has always held Vijay on a high pedestal. Infact Vijay was the only person who saw a spark in him and always BELIEVED in him. He gave Shravans life a direction and a sense of discipline. Even in the letter which is considered a holy grail, he says Shravan is a good boy, but this is not the right time. So I don’t know where she got that he dis not feel the pain or did not grieve for Vijays death🤢

3) Everything aside, she is acting like this is some cheap competition between her father's win and Shravan's father's win....it is staggering to see such life and death stakes being viewed in such a childish fashion....the fact that the writers make her mouth such asinine lines with a straight face is another level of insult to the audience's intelligence.

After all this she has not had an inkling of remorse or introspection , can I be wrong? Thats the biggest issue I have. She doesn’t even think for a second that she can be wrong. She has shown to believe that Devraj is guilty and thats an absolute truth🤢

To show a Suman who only condescends to "care" for someone if they meet her twisted criteria of respect and concern for her father is beyond ridiculous. No normal person would give such a person time of day. To then show characters like Kancha and the rest of the Tiwaris normalizing this delusion and continuing to push this alternate reality where Shravan supposedly never cared for Suman's father is another level of bullshit.

4) Another bit I found completely stupid today was Suman claiming she "let down her father" by losing the case.....lol again, this girl has no cognizance of ground reality and lives in her own head. Even the excuse of grief can't be stretched this far....she is dangerously delusional now in whatever parameters she has cooked up in her head about what it means to "live up to her father's dreams". None of what she is doing right now was ever stated by Vijay to be his "dream" for her....he never explicitly said ki leave Shravan, hate him, then pursue a baseless treason case for 7 years to make me proud....yet Suman persists in this delusion and the entire Tiwari clan acts like it's perfectly normal that they still want only Devraj to die for this even if the actual culprits have been indicted😕

I was like when she says papa apko justice nahi dila saki. Matlab only if Devraj is convicted it would be justice 🤣 Jo bande ne galat kaam kiya , use sazaa mili, but thats not justice😆 She very gallantly told Shravan, nyaay agar der se mile to us nyaay ka koi fayda nahi... matlab she had full faith in judiciary and that nyaay would happen. And as you said where exactly did Vijay say all that , it was his dream that she hate Shravan and all that. His only dream ever was she become a good CADET, which she is not as she has none of the qualities required to be a good cadet. She is on a vendetta spree!

One is forced then to conclude that this is just a cheap game for them, not about any real justice. There really is no rock bottom for how pathetic the mentality of the Tiwari family is. What a shame.

5) Ultimately, Suman comes across not just as a highly judgemental person but a highly delusional one as well....being delusional and judgemental at the same time is a dangerous combination. She is passing judgements based on her own delusions.....she doesn't want to face any truth or reality. How can one even begin to deal with such a person.

And it does beg the question....what kind of a love story is it when one person is so extremely self-centered and still insists on dictating every relationship based on her own perceptions? Suman is very much behaving as if Shravan doesn't deserve any regard unless he explicitly hero worships her dad just as blindly as she does. His own pain doesn't count unless it's the kind of pain that she can see. This sounds ridiculous and I can't believe this is what the writers are going with😕😆.

This is a love story of Vikram and Shravan and Suman is the third angle here. 😆

Also

.... yes things fell apart between the friends but dadu role here not even considered !!

Suman believes and knows dadu not a fan of Shravan’s family!! There is a role for the army in the procurement process on quality checks —- the employees — and to then go and on vindictively against Devraj even after he has served 3 years is just plain vicious !!

And not one thought that

a) she may be wrong - devraj has been punished and learning to let go

B) shravan must be hurt on both sides

C) she’s has perhaps to account for Her own behavior here !!!

so frankly —- outside of any feelings for Shravan, in and of herself - she is now so negative and toxic —- why would we want her for Shravan?

But the irony is that as per story she has 2 men feeling for her now —- !!!! I don’t get that !!!

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Is ladki ka lack of comprehension level is beyond any reason. Vijay ke naam pe kya kya ajeeb kaand kar rahi hai khud hi imagine kar kar ke.

Making your father your hero is one thing....but what Suman is doing now is literally an insult to his name on every level. Apne so called "perfect" father ki memory mein she is blindly conducting a witch hunt of an innocent person. Devraj was not directly responsible for the vests or Vijay's death - courts ne bhi bol diya. But Queen Sumo ke liye Daddu ka one random comment is vachan and shaasan 😕.....Daddu ne Devraj ko corrupt bol diya matlab Vijay's memory will only be "honored" if Sumo Devi can prove Devraj a corrupt traitor? Yeh log kis duniya mein jeete hain......the level to which they have dragged a man who at the most committed the crime of ego and petty bribery.

So is it fair that someone who steals a car be given the same level of punishment as a mass murderer? Is that the code of "justice" being preached here? Law ki basic samajh hai bhi kisi ko ki nahin ki bas apne fantasy world mein hi rehna hai....that seems to be the fashion in the world aajkal.

Originally posted by: naadanmasakalli

Yes then she will have more fodder to waste another 7 years harassing someone and ghaseeto them on court kachehri and have an accessory in name of vakil to flaunt 😆 and then she will again give bhashans on dhokebaaz shravan how he wore it and died waise bhi she was pissed one day on him.keeping his life on line as if she really cares agar koi iske aas paas jiye ya mare