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Originally posted by: SharmiliBandhi

What Shravan experienced was also traumatic because when he got to know that Devraj had allegations and then for him to get kicked out by the Tiwaris & the police whom he stopped insulting and all that is a really shocking for him. He still believed that the Tiwari family is good despite knowing the animosity between the families and for him to suddenly process the reality, it is just a shock. Yet, he still pined for hope that Suman would still be sensible enough to understand his point of view for once. He only reacted because he valued her over anyone else. First to see Devraj get arrested then to see Suman lose her father, it will be a hard thing to digest.

To top it all, the writers are making him as if he's lost trust in relationships wherein, in reality, he doesn't mind relationship but is just sharing his two cents per se. I respect that and if he doesn't want to form another relationship again, then he has the complete right to do so. It's just that it won't be the same as it was with Suman.

@bold: This. That is an important underlying context for Shravan's state of mind. He only reacted because he valued Suman over anyone else. That is why her words hit him the hardest too. He was willing to deal with anything for her sake....whether it was humiliation from her family or the whole world accusing his dad....as long as he had Suman with him, he would have handled anything. That was his mindset going into that scene....but Suman destroyed his world in a moment when she was the only anchor he had left. Yes, Suman herself was feeling lost in that moment but Shravan was always the one more emotionally dependent on her....and she tore him down for something he wasn't responsible for....she just projected blame onto him.

Shravan HAS lost trust in relationships....and it's totally understandable after having such a bad experience. I don't think that's a bad thing....it's a human reaction of disillusionment after having a bad experience. It's not like he's going around punishing random women over this POV....it's his own perception which he is allowed based on his experience.

It's actually sad that a guy who loved this openly, this purely has been broken so badly by this experience of loving Suman.

Originally posted by: OspraYZod

i am simply despo to see them together again,every epi breaks my heart though:(

Sadly, I'm sensing a sort of distrust in the writers that they'll do this because they just caricatured her characterization beyond expectations. Even when she said yesterday about tolerating his face is beyond her limit...ouch😵And then to decide for his treatment without his permission shows how domineering/manipulative she is in their equation. Shravan again left open-mouthed.

I also feel the writing of these episodes are in such a way where we thought of trying to understand BOTH sides, We rather left with split opinions. .

Maybe I'm saying this either out of frustration or I have given upon completely to get both the characters' circumstances, so I sort of Understand the pain and trauma of both sides now. 

Can the writers explore them rather than giving same teen SuVan Flashbacks? It adds nothing to those 17 minutes episodes.

Originally posted by: raahiyaan

I wanted to say this. He lost his mentor who haven't gotten 'JUSTICE' . Maybe empathy is a big term to expect but the least he can do is not bring up in front of Suman because the same mentor was her father too. That neither will make him go against his dad nor will make a person feel less for his sufferings. I expect this after few more episodes not right now.

Again, these expectations from Shravan😆.....I'm not sure in what world, when your OWN father is unjustly accused, you would be more fixated on someone else's death. Are we really going to pretend that Vijay mattered more to Shravan than Devraj? Why would he care about Tiwaris ka "perception" when his own father is suffering? That is just not reasonable or logical....no one would do that in his place....try putting yourself in his place and think about it.

Vijay was Suman's father....Shravan felt her pain for losing her father....but to expect Shravan to put Suman's father above his own is not something I understand. No matter how much you love someone, why will you not care about your own father first? The court case has been set up as such that it is more about punishing Devraj than getting justice for Vijay. So why will Shravan think about Vijay before his own father?

Originally posted by: raahiyaan

I don't expect him to go on that level. And he would look out of place as well. Yes Vijay was a Mentor to Shravan not his father. He was the first one who motivated him and saw something in him when his own father didn't. Even Shravan acknowledged that "Pata nahi aapne mujhme kya dekha" when Vijay handed him the best cadet certificate.

If you're saying Shravan went on to attend Vijay's classes only for Suman. Then I disagree. He admitted it himself that initially he did it for her but after a point He wanted to do it because Vijay Uncle sees the Spark him. Yes Suman mattered the most to him. No denying.

No, I didn't say that Shravan attended Vijay's classes ONLY for Suman....he started them for Suman but continued them cuz he started enjoying them on his own. Yes, he considered Vijay a mentor but a mentor is not greater than a FATHER. Why is this simple point being lost on people? 😕 Just because Shravan looked up to Vijay does not mean he will put Vijay ahead of his own father. Vijay seeing some spark in him doesn't mean he can still keep fixating on that when SO much trauma happened in the wake of Vijay's death.....what Suman did has FRIED Shravan's brain and heart on many levels😆....I'm amazed that people are still expecting him to calmly reflect on "Vijay Sir mere mentor" when the girl that mattered the most to him did all this to him.

Please try to understand how hurt works....he can't compartmentalize like this and find some seperate channel to miss Vijay the mentor while his own father is being threatened with jail.

Originally posted by: raahiyaan

I also feel the writing of these episodes are in such a way where we thought of trying to understand BOTH sides, We rather left with split opinions. .

Maybe I'm saying this either out of frustration or I have given upon completely to get both the characters' circumstances, so I sort of Understand the pain and trauma of both sides now. 

Can the writers explore them rather than giving same teen SuVan Flashbacks? It adds nothing to those 17 minutes episodes.

Originally posted by: SharmiliBandhi

right now, at the rate the story is going at, with adding fillers and leaving viewers confused and all, Im not seeing a point of reconciliation with open mind to accept the flaws. More so, a self-reflection from Suman's side is required that maybe she said things that were way too extreme instead of just resorting to trying to move on with Vikram. Even if she were to move on with Vikram, maybe a retrospection of what she did wrong and realizing where she might've went wrong would make me respect her more even if she doesn't intend to get back with Shravan. Hence, I agree that they both need to mature up from this. Because they both can't be sticking around for this while they are aging in life. 😆But Suman to continue to blame Shravan as a DHOKAA and stigma of her life or whatever context she wants to put it into, that's showing to me that she's still in her fictionalized bubble and not ready to admit that she was wrong in escalating the matter as opposed to just telling him that maybe she went past her limit but reflecting on this would make me respect her.

Sadly, I'm sensing a sort of distrust in the writers that they'll do this because they just caricatured her characterization beyond expectations. Even when she said yesterday about tolerating his face is beyond her limit...ouch😵And then to decide for his treatment without his permission shows how domineering/manipulative she is in their equation. Shravan again left open-mouthed.

LOL the rate at which they are currently going, I will be shocked if they show any introspection from Suman regarding what she did the day of the breakup😆.....the intent right now seems to be to victimize Suman as someone who lost her parents so whatever she thinks and does is correct. The expectation still is that Shravan be a mind reader and see through all of Suman's twisted words and somehow give her unconditional understanding even as she keeps saying hurtful things to him and slapping him😆

Originally posted by: AreYaar

LOL the rate at which they are currently going, I will be shocked if they show any introspection from Suman regarding what she did the day of the breakup😆.....the intent right now seems to be to victimize Suman as someone who lost her parents so whatever she thinks and does is correct. The expectation still is that Shravan be a mind reader and see through all of Suman's twisted words and somehow give her unconditional understanding even as she keeps saying hurtful things to him and slapping him😆

Whoever is omnipresent person here, I don't know. But both are individuals with equal right to display whatever emotion they want or whatever opinion they want to form. To each of his own so expecting only Shravan to initiate the step is really wrong. In that case, even Suman should do it too. When Suman is not ready to budge, then why should Shravan waste his energy? Exact thing for Suman, so if he's no longer interested in pursuing her, then why should she waste her energy on? Already enough has been wasted on the court case and now the injury to add onto it, so it won't be easy leap of faith.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Again, these expectations from Shravan😆.....I'm not sure in what world, when your OWN father is unjustly accused, you would be more fixated on someone else's death. Are we really going to pretend that Vijay mattered more to Shravan than Devraj? Why would he care about Tiwaris ka "perception" when his own father is suffering? That is just not reasonable or logical....no one would do that in his place....try putting yourself in his place and think about it.

Vijay was Suman's father....Shravan felt her pain for losing her father....but to expect Shravan to put Suman's father above his own is not something I understand. No matter how much you love someone, why will you not care about your own father first? The court case has been set up as such that it is more about punishing Devraj than getting justice for Vijay. So why will Shravan think about Vijay before his own father?

No, I didn't say that Shravan attended Vijay's classes ONLY for Suman....he started them for Suman but continued them cuz he started enjoying them on his own. Yes, he considered Vijay a mentor but a mentor is not greater than a FATHER. Why is this simple point being lost on people? 😕 Just because Shravan looked up to Vijay does not mean he will put Vijay ahead of his own father. Vijay seeing some spark in him doesn't mean he can still keep fixating on that when SO much trauma happened in the wake of Vijay's death.....what Suman did has FRIED Shravan's brain and heart on many levels😆....I'm amazed that people are still expecting him to calmly reflect on "Vijay Sir mere mentor" when the girl that mattered the most to him did all this to him.

Please try to understand how hurt works....he can't compartmentalize like this and find some seperate channel to miss Vijay the mentor while his own father is being threatened with jail.

@Bold : I get that. But I'm not saying ke he needs to Keep Vijay above his father. No one would ever. That is too much for a son. What I meant is somewhere an absence of Vijay can be felt by him and he can still stand and support his father. Sorry I don't know how to frame it right. Not even expecting him to sense that since it's been hardly a week since he has arrived.

I'm not even saying that he needs to understand Suman's hurtful words. It's Suman who needs to fix things this time.

@Red : I do understand that. I'm not shoving off his hurt , trauma , pain and sufferings in past 7 years where he was nowhere at fault.

Originally posted by: SharmiliBandhi

Hmm yes, there is no point to expect unless a sudden variation appears once in a blue moon. 😆Playing the whole victim card game with Suman as the punching bag that losing everything in her life was because of SHRAVAN'S INFLUENCE. Yeah okay writers do a better job please.😆

Whoever is omnipresent person here, I don't know. But both are individuals with equal right to display whatever emotion they want or whatever opinion they want to form. To each of his own so expecting only Shravan to initiate the step is really wrong. In that case, even Suman should do it too. When Suman is not ready to budge, then why should Shravan waste his energy? Exact thing for Suman, so if he's no longer interested in pursuing her, then why should she waste her energy on? Already enough has been wasted on the court case and now the injury to add onto it, so it won't be easy leap of faith.

Since this is a "love story"😆, obviously both Shravan and Suman will get together ultimately. Despite all the stupidity and nonsense being shown currently, the only thing that would make them whole and happy again is each other.

All that remains to be seen is how that is executed....and sadly based on the post leap track record, it doesn't look like we can expect a good execution....they will show some half-baked reason for them "reuniting" however that happens. I will definitely feel irritated if they whitewash Suman's behavior from that day and try to pretend like it was all Shravan's fault. But anyways, it is what it is now.....writers have mostly lost it.

Originally posted by: Meena_J

Yeah, it just leaves the viewers aghast. The story has been obliterated to the point that viewers are just left divided on this opinion. At this point, rather than stretching the matter, just wind up the long overdue court case to stop this difference in POVs thing.😆

I somehow want Suman to lose the case. It might not change her perception about Devraj immideatly but losing the case can also solve few things.