Cheels/Eagles = Villains??? - Page 3

Originally posted by: john909

cheel does not mean eagle in hindi. It means kite.

Cheel = Kite

Garud/baaz = Eagle

Gidh = vulture

Eagles are also called cheel I guess, but that’s not the point here, both belong to the same clan from what I have understood

Originally posted by: Rein123

Eagles are also called cheel I guess, but that’s not the point here, both belong to the same clan from what I have understood

Common Name---Brahminy kite, Brahmani Cheel (Hindi),

Krishna parunthu (Tamil), Khemankari (Sanskrit)


Lord Vishnu on Garuda, his vahana In religion and mythology.Garuda, the celestial carrier or vahana of Lord Vishnu and his consort, Goddess Lakshmi, is a swift-flying Brahminy kite.

In Hindu mythology, he is often referred to as the ‘king of birds’. He has been give the status of a deity by the religious scriptures and hence, is worshipped. In most Vishnu temples, there is a separate shrine for Garuda, also known as Garudalwar. Garuda is also the symbol on Lord Vishnu’s flag. (Garuda dwaja).

Garuda in Buddhists mythology and scriptures, Garuda belongs to a race of divine creatures who are known for their hatred for the Nagas or the serpents. In Buddhists scriptures, Lord Buddha is shown making temporary peace between the Nagas and Garuda.

Originally posted by: Rein123

Eagles are also called cheel I guess, but that’s not the point here, both belong to the same clan from what I have understood

No they are not. If someone is using terms interchangeably, that does not make it true. The language hindi has clear differentiation between words used for eagle and kite. Even ekta has not used the word garud or baaz to refer to cheels in the show. They belong to the same scientific family but apart from a few similarities, they have too many differences like food, way they hunt, physical appearance etc... when you used the word clan, were you talking about scientific family or something related to mythos?

Originally posted by: vinnas

Common Name---Brahminy kite, Brahmani Cheel (Hindi),

Krishna parunthu (Tamil), Khemankari (Sanskrit)


Lord Vishnu on Garuda, his vahana In religion and mythology.Garuda, the celestial carrier or vahana of Lord Vishnu and his consort, Goddess Lakshmi, is a swift-flying Brahminy kite.

In Hindu mythology, he is often referred to as the ‘king of birds’. He has been give the status of a deity by the religious scriptures and hence, is worshipped. In most Vishnu temples, there is a separate shrine for Garuda, also known as Garudalwar. Garuda is also the symbol on Lord Vishnu’s flag. (Garuda dwaja).

Garuda in Buddhists mythology and scriptures, Garuda belongs to a race of divine creatures who are known for their hatred for the Nagas or the serpents. In Buddhists scriptures, Lord Buddha is shown making temporary peace between the Nagas and Garuda.

And that is why ekta is wrong to show them as villains. Maybe the cheel or eagles we saw belonged to a rogue group who worship a fictitious deity while there are other eagles who actually pray to Vishnu similar to how not all naagins are Shiv devotees. If that’s the case then it’s fine, but if she dares to label all eagles as evil then she needs to get a earful from everyone.

Originally posted by: john909

No they are not. If someone is using terms interchangeably, that does not make it true. The language hindi has clear differentiation between words used for eagle and kite. Even ekta has not used the word garud or baaz to refer to cheels in the show. They belong to the same scientific family but apart from a few similarities, they have too many differences like food, way they hunt, physical appearance etc... when you used the word clan, were you talking about scientific family or something related to mythos?

@bold both. Because both of them seem to be associated with Garuda.

@red really? Because when I google kites and their significance in Hinduism, Garuda is what shows up all the time. Plus I’ve checked couple of dictionaries, and they all use cheel, baaz and Garuda synonymously. So I don’t know.

Originally posted by: Rein123

And that is why ekta is wrong to show them as villains. Maybe the cheel or eagles we saw belonged to a rogue group who worship a fictitious deity while there are other eagles who actually pray to Vishnu similar to how not all naagins are Shiv devotees. If that’s the case then it’s fine, but if she dares to label all eagles as evil then she needs to get a earful from everyone.

I googled the Hindi terms for Eagle and Kite. Apparently the term Cheel is collectively used for both according to some sites.Garud is the term which is specifically used for eagles whereas Baaz means Hawk.

But the point is that the layman won't site down to Google the difference between eagles and kites. Just like most of us they'll assume the Cheels depicted in the show to be eagles and the way eagles are portrayed is highly offensive.

I agree with Reine here. A way for them to solve this issue would be to depict Aakesh belonging to a clan of good eagles who worship Lord Vishnu who was kidnapped by the rogue cheel and his gang who worship the ficticious mrityu ka devta. That would also explain why Aakesh was so important to them.

Either way if the Naags can be both good and bad then why should all the Cheels be depicted as evil?

Originally posted by: LawlessLawyer

I googled the Hindi terms for Eagle and Kite. Apparently the term Cheel is collectively used for both according to some sites.Garud is the term which is specifically used for eagles whereas Baaz means Hawk.

But the point is that the layman won't site down to Google the difference between eagles and kites. Just like most of us they'll assume the Cheels depicted in the show to be eagles and the way eagles are portrayed is highly offensive.

I agree with Reine here. A way for them to solve this issue would be to depict Aakesh belonging to a clan of good eagles who worship Lord Vishnu who was kidnapped by the rogue cheel and his gang who worship the ficticious mrityu ka devta. That would also explain why Aakesh was so important to them.

Either way if the Naags can be both good and bad then why should all the Cheels be depicted as evil?

True, but my thing is even kites belong to the garud clan. Whether it’s eagle or kites both seem to have an association with Garuda since according to some Garuda is a kite like being. So at the end of the day, she can’t depict cheel’s whether they are kites or eagles as devil worshipers or call their God a demon.

Originally posted by: Rein123

@bold both. Because both of them seem to be associated with Garuda.

@red really? Because when I google kites and their significance in Hinduism, Garuda is what shows up all the time. Plus I’ve checked couple of dictionaries, and they all use cheel, baaz and Garuda synonymously. So I don’t know.

I said what I said based on what was taught to me in school by a teacher not google. I also checked what Google and some other online dictionaries available says and the term used for kites is cheel. I also came across sites with hindu mythology related things and some did use garuda to refer to bhraminy kite (previously categorized as red-backed sea-eagle. I could not find any credible source for the material written. Some didn't even cite. There are different species of eagles and kites. There is one in particular that was referred as eagle in past but now it is a type of kite. Also when it comes to translating hindi to English or vice or versa, there are a lot of words that are used interchangeably by general public but the true meaning of those words is still different.

Originally posted by: john909

I said what I said based on what was taught to me in school by a teacher not google. I also checked what Google and some other online dictionaries available says and the term used for kites is cheel. I also came across sites with hindu mythology related things and some did use garuda to refer to bhraminy kite (previously categorized as red-backed sea-eagle. I could not find any credible source for the material written. Some didn't even cite. There are different species of eagles and kites. There is one in particular that was referred as eagle in past but now it is a type of kite. Also when it comes to translating hindi to English or vice or versa, there are a lot of words that are used interchangeably by general public but the true meaning of those words is still different.

I get what you’re saying, but her very use of the term cheel itself is ambiguous and since that term is used by lay people for both eagles and kites irrespective of what it actually means, it looks bad.