Upa-Pandava's contribution in war

Is there any information on Upapandavas during the war? Thanks

There are a few scattered references. Like on day 11 when Karna and his clan entered the war, they fought w/ Karna's son Vrishasena in tandem. Prior to that, they fought the rakshasha Alambusha and were defeated, and Abhimanyu had to repel him. Somewhere, I read a mention of Satsoma - Bhima's son - battling Shakuni.

But they weren't great warriors, where any one of them could adequately battle a Kaurava warrior, and I have hardly read about a battle of just one of them w/ anybody from the Kaurava army, aside from Shakuni, who was really mediocre. In other words, they didn't come anywhere near Ghatotkacha, Abhimanyu or even Iravana.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

There are a few scattered references. Like on day 11 when Karna and his clan entered the war, they fought w/ Karna's son Vrishasena in tandem. Prior to that, they fought the rakshasha Alambusha and were defeated, and Abhimanyu had to repel him. Somewhere, I read a mention of Satsoma - Bhima's son - battling Shakuni.

But they weren't great warriors, where any one of them could adequately battle a Kaurava warrior, and I have hardly read about a battle of just one of them w/ anybody from the Kaurava army, aside from Shakuni, who was really mediocre. In other words, they didn't come anywhere near Ghatotkacha, Abhimanyu or even Iravana.

Ghatochkat and Abhimanyu were the real Shoorveers of their generation. Rest were ordinary Rathis. Uppandavas didn't have either parent with them in their growth age not easy for them to become Shoorveers at such scenarios I guess

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

There are a few scattered references. Like on day 11 when Karna and his clan entered the war, they fought w/ Karna's son Vrishasena in tandem. Prior to that, they fought the rakshasha Alambusha and were defeated, and Abhimanyu had to repel him. Somewhere, I read a mention of Satsoma - Bhima's son - battling Shakuni.

But they weren't great warriors, where any one of them could adequately battle a Kaurava warrior, and I have hardly read about a battle of just one of them w/ anybody from the Kaurava army, aside from Shakuni, who was really mediocre. In other words, they didn't come anywhere near Ghatotkacha, Abhimanyu or even Iravana.

Thank You for the reply

I was wondering if Young generation got mention only in the time of their death, like Abhimanyu on the day he died same goes for Gatotkach

Upa Pandavas survived the war and were slaughtered in their sleep, that amounts to something

Although I asked this because I came across an opinion that Upa Pandavas were interpolation

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Thank You for the reply

I was wondering if Young generation got mention only in the time of their death, like Abhimanyu on the day he died same goes for Gatotkach

Upa Pandavas survived the war and were slaughtered in their sleep, that amounts to something

Although I asked this because I came across an opinion that Upa Pandavas were interpolation

Abhimanyu was killed by the best warriors of Kaurav side, Ghatochkat was killed by the most powerful and extra terrestrial weapon that Kaurav side had. That says something, not sure about Iravan though. He died on the 9th day of the war

Uppandavas did survive the war but then neither did the face the front line Kaurav warriors nor did they have such huge weapons against them. I don't think these could be compared.

By the way did any important person die during the first ten days of the war? Or Bheeshm was the first Maharathi to be laid down?

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Abhimanyu was killed by the best warriors of Kaurav side, Ghatochkat was killed by the most powerful and extra terrestrial weapon that Kaurav side had. That says something, not sure about Iravan though. He died on the 9th day of the war

Uppandavas did survive the war but then neither did the face the front line Kaurav warriors nor did they have such huge weapons against them. I don't think these could be compared.

By the way did any important person die during the first ten days of the war? Or Bheeshm was the first Maharathi to be laid down?

I was just wondering if that was the way of writer mentioning Young generation ie on the day of their death

No idea about it

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I was just wondering if that was the way of writer mentioning Young generation ie on the day of their death

No idea about it

To be honest the younger generation didn't have much to do with the overall story of Mahabharata. Ved Vyas ji was writing about the war, so the focus was on its roots, it's causes it's consequences, the younger generation had not much to do with it, so I guess they could have been mostly described on the day of their deaths.

Even the 97 other Kauravas (excluding Duryodhan, Dusshashan and Vikarna and I guess Sukarna too is mentioned somewhere else) are only mentioned when Bheem killed them

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Ghatochkat and Abhimanyu were the real Shoorveers of their generation. Rest were ordinary Rathis. Uppandavas didn't have either parent with them in their growth age not easy for them to become Shoorveers at such scenarios I guess

Lame reason: none of them had their fathers w/ them, and Subhadra and Hidimbi weren't the ones teaching them warfare. Abhimanyu was trained by Krishna and his clan, like Pradhyumna, Satyaki, et al. Ghatotkacha was born w/ rakshasha like powers. Uloopi had certain powers that enabled her to train both Iravana and Babruvahana.

The upa-Pandavas lived w/ Dhrishtadyumna, and so ended up training w/ them. And the Panchalas were really ordinary warriors who were arrow-fodder for Drona, Ashwatthama, Kripa and Karna in the war. Prativindya and his brothers weren't much superior

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Thank You for the reply

I was wondering if Young generation got mention only in the time of their death, like Abhimanyu on the day he died same goes for Gatotkach

Upa Pandavas survived the war and were slaughtered in their sleep, that amounts to something

Although I asked this because I came across an opinion that Upa Pandavas were interpolation

All of them got plenty of mention for other fighting. Abhimanyu was pretty prominent on day 1, and even on other days, he was usually battling other warriors like Alambusha. Iravana was mentioned as killing 5 of Shakuni's brothers. Ghatotkacha appeared in support of Bhima on day 2, and he also battled Alambusha and his army, ultimately killing him on day 14. Upa Pandavaas fought various warriors at various times, but often together: rarely did they engage in mono-a-mono

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

All of them got plenty of mention for other fighting. Abhimanyu was pretty prominent on day 1, and even on other days, he was usually battling other warriors like Alambusha. Iravana was mentioned as killing 5 of Shakuni's brothers. Ghatotkacha appeared in support of Bhima on day 2, and he also battled Alambusha and his army, ultimately killing him on day 14. Upa Pandavaas fought various warriors at various times, but often together: rarely did they engage in mono-a-mono

Did the Uppandavas fight as a team. Mostly everywhere they are mentioned in team.

I am just wondering, had not for the war and their deaths, Uppandavas would have turned out to be the next generation Nakul sahdev in the company of the likes of Abhimanyu Ghatochkat, Iravan and even Babhruwahan