Yudishthir: Really dharmaraj? - Page 2

I always feel that what Yudhishtir did in Dwit Sabha was completely wrong but I can't blame him or doubt over him for just one instance

The issue I had is that he way blamed in Swargarohan parva for his semi lie to Dronacharya in Kurukshetra and not for this act

Secondly when people try to justify him stating that as Dharmaparayan person, he could not have rejected the Dwit offer and that he didn't have any option

Originally posted by: DharmaPriyaa

During Dwapara, obeying one's elders had a great significance with which we won't be able to relate probably.

Pandavas were too much respectful to their mother's words, causing polyandry. Yudhishthira was too much respectful to Dhritarashtra, causing him accepting the dice game. He could not leave in between partly because it was Dhritarashtra's wish to conduct that game. Another reason was definitely there which is very lesser known. But that's a different discussion.

Similarly, the junior Pandavas too were too much respectful to their eldest brother and could not go against him.

That doesn't make much sense you need to obey your elders so accept the uncle who is quite over the orders of the uncle who is asking you to stop. Even Bheeshm had asked them to stop.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

That doesn't make much sense you need to obey your elders so accept the uncle who is quite over the orders of the uncle who is asking you to stop. Even Bheeshm had asked them to stop.

I guess Royal sabha ethics. Bheeshma might be the eldest family member, but Dhrity was still the King and the highest authority there. If Dhrity didn't stop them, there was no way they could have stopped, even if Yudi wanted to. 🤔

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

That doesn't make much sense you need to obey your elders so accept the uncle who is quite over the orders of the uncle who is asking you to stop. Even Bheeshm had asked them to stop.

I already said that it doesn't make sense to us in this yuga.

Bhishma did not ask them to stop as per text. Yes Vidura did, but he asked the king to stop the game, not to Yudhi because he knew that without the king and elder uncle's order he could not rise. That was his putra Dharma.

I know we cannot relate with it. But it was like this only at that time.

Originally posted by: proteeti

I guess Royal sabha ethics. Bheeshma might be the eldest family member, but Dhrity was still the King and the highest authority there. If Dhrity didn't stop them, there was no way they could have stopped, even if Yudi wanted to. 🤔

But could he at least ask for the permission to leave? I don't think he did

I think he was himself into the game and didn't realize till he actually lost his kingdom

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

But could he at least ask for the permission to leave? I don't think he did

I think he was himself into the game and didn't realize till he actually lost his kingdom

That's BRC. Text mein he stops talking at Indraprastha. For the rest of the rounds Shakku mama is like, "Brother #?" Yudi shrugs. Shakku wins.

Also about the elders:

Dhrity: 5

Vidura: 3

Bheeshma: -1

Gandhari: -1

Drona+Kripa: 0

^^Those are the no. of times the elders tried to intervene and stop this.

The +ve no. were attempted before they began staking brothers.

The -ves were slapdash attempts after Vastraharan.

Also yep, he did ask for permission. Dhrity said chup and baitho.

First off, Mahabharata is not written by B R Chopra. Please do not believe everything shown in the show. These shows are commercialized and they go by virtue of their audience and what sells.

Now coming to Yudhishthir, I have read few of the comments and posts here. The thing is, Yudhishthir is human, like you and me and hence yes, he did make a mistake by putting Draupadi on bet and his brothers too. But, his title as Dharma Raj comes from his skills as a ruler.

We must remember this is the story of Dwapar Yug and as much as I hate to admit, monarchy being the accepted form of government here had impacted the laws of the country. Hence, a King was mainly judged by his skills of rule and politics. Not his personal misdeeds. (It's sad, I do not agree but it is a fact).

Hence, when we judge Yudhi in light of today's terms, laws and morality, we must keep in mind the evolution of the idea of morality and law and then make our decisions.

I don't support Yudhi here. All I am saying is, why things were they way it was and how he is still considered Dharmaraj.

Yudhistar didn't not stake draupadi by himself . It was duryodhan who ask to put draupadi in stake even yudhistar didn't not like it when duryodhan ask yudhistar to put draupadi in stake

But yes yudhistar fault he keep forgiving kaurav and always addressing kaurav as priye anuj where as duryodhan never consider pandav as his priye anuj

Due to anuj ( bhai ) ka rishta he keep forgiving duryodhan misdeed which was major draw back of yudhistar

And he keep forgiving because he don't want quarrel in family

Yudhistar called as dharm raj because he did not follow any illegal means to achieve any thing

Like when in Mahabharata yudhistar were ask to speak lie that ashwathama mara gaya so in this case yudhistar did not want to speak lie

Though by speaking this lie it was going to for benefit for pandav in Mahabharata war but still he don't want to speak lie

But when he was explain why should speak lie then he say ashwathama mara gaya nar ya hathi ? 0

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2 he doesn't not leave path of truth even in worst condition

3 he was impartial

4 he use keep other wishes in priority over his own wish like when he pandav were very thirty

When pandav ignore yaksh sentence that first answer my question then u can drink water but 4 pandav ignore yaksh statement it was only yudhistar who did not ignore yaksh word and first he answer yaksh question and then drink water

I think due to all these quality yudhistar call as dharm raj

Originally posted by: DharmaPriyaa

That last line is not there in original text. Rather his brother Bhima only accepted his authority over him in text. Arjuna too stopped Bhima from burning Yudhi's hands saying that they were loyal to him. Not that Yudhishthira said he did not need to ask them about their permission.

Rather, don't you think that the brothers also should have asked him to stop while putting Indraprastha at stake? No, unlike this serial, they did not do so in text.

Why didn't they show the burning of his hands scene here, or did they? I remember it from the SP MB.

Ohhh, is it! Damn, why isn't there a crisp and accurate version of Mahabharat 😆

So many glitches here.

Btw Duryodhan did point this out, that no one stopped him from putting his kingdom and Draupadi at stake, so yeah, it was everyone's fault there.

Originally posted by: proteeti

That's BRC. Text mein he stops talking at Indraprastha. For the rest of the rounds Shakku mama is like, "Brother #?" Yudi shrugs. Shakku wins.

Also about the elders:

Dhrity: 5

Vidura: 3

Bheeshma: -1

Gandhari: -1

Drona+Kripa: 0

^^Those are the no. of times the elders tried to intervene and stop this.

The +ve no. were attempted before they began staking brothers.

The -ves were slapdash attempts after Vastraharan.

Also yep, he did ask for permission. Dhrity said chup and baitho.

Dhritrashtra said chup and baitho? Which version are you mentioning? I haven't read any version which states that Yudhishtir asked for permission to stop the game and Dhritrashtra asked him to continue.

Yes I know post Indraprasth Yudhishtir was too numb and was agreeing to stake whatever Shakuni suggested but Dhritrashtra asking to continue is totally confusing.

@First line, I said the same thing, unlike what BRC n others show, probably Yudhishtir by then had started enjoying the game and got into it, probably reality only stuck him once he actually lost his kingdom, I guess that was when got completely numb and didn't know how to continue