A few things about Draupadi, How true are they? - Page 5

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

I think that s difference in a way we look at things i for my part never saw drapaudi as a victim she is my protagonist for Mahabharata she and Krishna they are inspiration so yeah i guess that s where the difference lies.

Can you quote anything which says that it was Draupadi's wish to marry 5 people?

Originally posted by: Sanskruthi

The simple answer is the patriarch then🤢 The scene was heavily manipulated courtesy Yudhi, Vyasa and Kunti.... First one being bit by God of desire, second stating previous birth and third too stubborn to make her words true. Papa Draupad was against the multi-marraiges of Draupadi but fell prey to the story-telling of the virtuous people.

Patriarchy is rampant in the society we are a part of now, then during rules of King, women were just a political machinery uniting two kingdoms. The swayamvar, itself was wrongly termed, she did not select her husband, the best Dhanurdhar won her, How can the best Dhanurdhar be a good husband to someone?

In all this, Draupadi shined for me with her courage, She spoke for herself when her husband gambled her, Even now, women aren't allowed to speak in front of elders, then back in that time Pati was parmeshwar.

You can tell the difference in two of Arjun's marriages, He didn't come to love the woman who dared to show her wish to marry him, Uloopi but all of his wives whom he desired are compared to fight for his love, to have validation by being the "one" whom Arjun loved the most

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Can you quote anything which says that it was Draupadi's wish to marry 5 people?

Seriously. ??

Well there is no quote in favour or against this statement.

So yeah yet again - read the text.

While i will celebrate my girl s strength

Would like to conclude that she was not a victim never a victim always a fighter an enigma and i am proud of her

Plus as drapaudi herself has done all her life i.e, use her wit and intelligence to her advantage - i would like to celebrate this. I would like to celebrate her ..

Thank you

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Seriously. ??

Well there is no quote in favour or against this statement.

So yeah yet again - read the text.

While i will celebrate my girl s strength

Would like to conclude that she was not a victim never a victim always a fighter an enigma and i am proud of her

Don’t get Defensive.

Nobody called her a victim. You compared her marriage with Pandavas to their multiple marriages, Arjun and everyone have shown their will to marry their other wives. Draupadi's story is different from their because it was not her wish.

Draupadi's father organizing a swayamvar states that he wanted one husband for his daughter, Draupadi agreeing to take part in Swayamvar states the same or they could have simply married her off to 5 Pandavas, if that was her wish, instead there was this whole plot of Kunti's words

Originally posted by: .Lonewalker.

And yes, in real Mahabharat Arjun was in love with Subhadra. He went to ask for her hand to Krishna & Krishna said that a ksatriya doesn't beg for the girl he wishes to marry. He either wins her in swyamvar or abducts her. Arjun got the hint &.....😆😆 Was Subhadra really indifferent though? Arjun is defo a good promotion from Duryodhan. Maybe she didn't mind her abduction much 😆

I always thought that Arjun's marriage with Subhadra was for birth of Abhimanyu, You know how characters are brought in a show for specific purpose, Subhadra provided an heir which was trained by Krushna and yesterday I got to know that Yadava gene being on the Throne was Krushna's plan.

Arjun is not a promotion in front of Duryodhana, Duryodhan was the heir and first child, Subhadra would have been a queen, he had different set of skills than Arjun. For someone who wants to marry a first son and King is surely better choice than a 3rd son.

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Actually that subhdra duryodhan alliance is not part of the epic

Arjun subhdra was one sided attractions from arjun sided subdhara as i said was indifferent

Plus according to epic in all of arjun s marriages it is always him who is shown to attracted to the bride apart from ulloopi

As in the original work? Maybe. But in later versions it was added. SP obviously exaggerated & took it to Mandap 😆 But I remember reading somewhere that Balaram wanted to get Subhadra married to Duryodhan because he was his favourite disciple. And Dhritarashtra wanted it to happen to establish an alliance with the Yadavas. But yes, it was in early stage & nothing concrete like SP showed 😆

There's even another version which says when Arjun was in Gurukul, there was another kid named Gada. He was Subhadra's cousin. He talked about Subhadra so much that Arjun got interested. And while he was in Dwarika, when he sees her he fell in love. Krishna, knowing this, decided to help his friend.He said if Arjun can make Subhadra love him back, then he will help them to elope. Arjun asked isn't that dishonourable? Krishna said "No, if the woman in question agrees." That's why Arjun has to try and get Subhadra love him back. So Krishna brings Balaram with him & Balaram without recognising Arjun, asks him to visit their place (assuming Arjun was some maha tapaswee). Arjun declined the offer stating that he had vowed never to enter a human dwelling. He could only be outside, communing with nature. Balaram replied that he doesn't need to stay in their home, but he can reside in their garden which is adjoining to Subhadra's palace. And she will do his seva. This was exactly the outcome that Arjun had wanted, and he readily agreed. And soon, Arjun was installed under a tree in Subhadra’s gardens. And while he was residing there, Subhadra asked him about the five pandavas thinking the aesthete and world-traveller under her care must have visited Indraprastha & met the Pandavas too. Arjun told him about his 4 brothers & didn't say anything about himself as he couldn't bring himself to boast about himself. But this picqued Subhadra's interest & she asked about the 3rd Pandava. She told she wished to know about the 3rd Pandav as she has heard he is very brave & courageous guy. From then on Arjun used to tell her about all the battles he had fought, and the ways he had managed to win them all. Arjun and Subhadra stayed together for many years, with Arjun admiring Subhadra and Subhadra falling deeper and deeper for the man whose stories she kept wanting to hear more and more. Finally one day she confesses to him that she has fallen in love with Arjun & wishes to know if he (as in the aesthete) could see future & whether he knows if ever she will get to be together with him. And....voila! Arjun confesses to her who he really is & what was he doing all this time in her garden & Krishna helped them to elope 😆😆

I don't know how authentic it is. But I have read it somewhere.

This was actually cute. How I wish SP had gone for this 😆

Subhadra haran episode

Arjun sees Subhadra and admires her silently. Not a word is spoken by him about this.

Krishna: That's my sister. You want to marry her?

Arjuna: Who wouldn't want to marry a girl like her, your sister to boot?

Krishna: Don't wait to ask her; who knows if she'll accept. Don't wait for swayamvar; who knows who she'll choose. Don't ask my family; she's not property to be traded. Just go and abduct her.

Subhadra haran was entirely Krishna's idea as per Mahabharata. Arjuna admired her for sure. But there was no falling in love from his side. On her part, Subhadra never even noticed him as per Mahabharata. My interpretation is that Krishna was sealing the political alliance with yet another marriage. After all, his place in Pandava circle until that time was merely as Panchal's wellwisher. Kunti never returned to the yadavas even when her life was at risk, and elsewhere she blames Surasena (Krishna's grandfather) for everything which happened to her, so I assume that relationship was not cordial for it to be reason for Krishna to stick around. Plus, Balram also makes it clear the relationship was not important. Krishna's friendship with Arjuna came after Khandavadahana even. Krishna pulled the Subhadra haran trick to make sure he had a familial place in the alliance. IIRC, he actually says so to enraged yadavas after Arjuna makes off with Subhadra.

Doesn't make Krishna a good brother to actually state he didn't know who Subhadra would choose but go ahead and abduct her, anyway, only for a political alliance. In his defense, Arjuna was good husband material as per prevalent norms. So why not? Two for one. Good husband for sister and political advantage.

None of these marriages were based on love. Attraction was a plus. But there was no romance involved.

EDITED TO ADD: When Krishna talks to Arjuna about abducting Subhdra, only swayamvar vs. abduction is mentioned. Krishna says who know who Subahdara will choose at swayamvar. So go ahead and abduct her. He does disparage arranged marriage later to the yadavas.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I always thought that Arjun's marriage with Subhadra was for birth of Abhimanyu, You know how characters are brought in a show for specific purpose, Subhadra provided an heir which was trained by Krushna and yesterday I got to know that Yadava gene being on the Throne was Krushna's plan.

Arjun is not a promotion in front of Duryodhana, Duryodhan was the heir and first child, Subhadra would have been a queen, he had different set of skills than Arjun. For someone who wants to marry a first son and King is surely better choice than a 3rd son.

In Mahabharat, ALL the characters had served one purpose or other. Everyone played a part in unfolding the story as it did. Subhadra did serve the purpose you said, but along with it, she was Arjun's favourite wife too. And Arjun did marry her because he loved her. Krishna supported it seeing the future benefits, but Arjun was very much romantically interested in her & it wasn't just a convenient political alliance.

@Bold Well.... I think it's subjective, from my pov, Arjun definitely is an upgradation. Duryodhan was not heir. He was just the 1st child of Dhritarstra. The real heir to Hastinapur's throne was Yudhistir. That's the reason Shakuni & Duryodhan had to resort to trickery & crimes in order to make Duryodhan the heir. And being Krishna's sister, I doubt Subhdra would have liked this side of Duryodhan. Arjun is not only more righteous, but more famous & is considered to be Aryavart's greatest warrior of that time. Arjun did not need a throne to be respected & neither he was interested in one to lose his sleep over it. Maybe back in those days, materialistic comfort was given more consideration, but from my pov Arjun was way better a man than Duryodhan was. And well...he was a prince too, so it's not like there was any shortage of materialistic comfort. I will count Arjun as a promotion only, considering all sides.

Originally posted by: Sanskruthi

The simple answer is the patriarch then🤢 The scene was heavily manipulated courtesy Yudhi, Vyasa and Kunti.... First one being bit by God of desire, second stating previous birth and third too stubborn to make her words true. Papa Draupad was against the multi-marraiges of Draupadi but fell prey to the story-telling of the virtuous people.

Vyasa met Pandavas twice after burning attempt. Once to ask them to go to Ekchara. 2nd time to go and tell them to win Panchali.

Neither Yudhishtira's hormones nor Kunti's planning had anything to do with polyandry. It was VYASA'S idea.

All 5 brothers are said to be heavily attracted at the swayamvar. Attraction isn't a sin. Plus, they'd already decided on winning her. So where's the problem in being attracted?

The drama put on by mother and sons was likely for Panchali's benefit. Yes, Arjuna knew fully well what was going on.

Moreover, when Drupad objects, it is again Vyasa who talks the king into agreeing, not Yudhishtira. I have my issues with the eldest Pandava, but polyandry cannot be blamed on him.

FYI. When Vyasa talks to Drupad, he actually says Indra (who became Arjuna) met Sri (who became Panchali) before.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01200.htm

If you believe in avatars, Arjuna Panchali never met. If you don't believe in avatars, the couple who met WAS actually Arjuna Panchali. There was no romance then, either. She is said to have been crying. We are not told what about. She basically uses her weeping to lure him to Mahadev who then orders her to basically shove Arjuna into a cave. So yeah, Star was right in a way.