A few things about Draupadi, How true are they? - Page 19

Okay....aise dekho toh it seems that apart from the Kurkukshetra War, every popular story is later interpolation / folktale someway or other 😆😆

I recently read an analysis somewhere that even Duryodhan's claim to throne was legit & he wasn't wrong if he refused to give it up to Yudhistir. If you see from that pov, then even the Pandavas were wrong & the whole Kurukshetra war seems somewhat like a revenge spree from their side than the famous Dharm vs Adharm paath we are being taught from childhood.

Everything is up for analysis & interpretation.

Originally posted by: .Lonewalker.

Okay....aise dekho toh it seems that apart from the Kurkukshetra War, every popular story is later interpolation / folktale someway or other 😆😆

I recently read an analysis somewhere that even Duryodhan's claim to throne was legit & he wasn't wrong if he refused to give it up to Yudhistir. If you see from that pov, then even the Pandavas were wrong & the whole Kurukshetra war seems somewhat like a revenge spree from their side than the famous Dharm vs Adharm paath we are being taught from childhood.

Everything is up for analysis & interpretation.

The issue was thus

1. Dhritarashtra was the elder prince and hence should have been King and his eldest after him

2. However due to his blindness, Pandu was made King.

3. Pandavas were legally, if not biologically, the sons of Pandu. Their very name Pandavas seems to me to be Kunti's idea to deliberately ensure nobody questions them. Niyoga was legally binding.

4. Since Pandu was actual King (Dhritarashtra only stepped in once he died), Yudhisthira had claim to throne as well

5. If Duryodhana claimed that Pandavas were not biological sons of Pandu, then even Pandu and Dhritarashtra were not biological sons of Vichitraveerya (the line actually ended with him). Which means both Duryodhana abd Yudhishthira were equally not related to the royalty and had no right to the throne.

6. One way to resolve this issue was to see who was more worthy and that was definitely Yudhisthira (before vastraharan)

7. After dice hall incident, IMO, nobody was worthy.

The grand irony was that there was one person who had every right to the throne but had stuck by his vow to give it up, even when the vow was redundant.

And the people who had literally no right to it where fighting a bloody war for it.

The message passed by Krishna wrt Bhishma is that the earlier societal norms or if you would call it "dharma" wasn't up to the mark in dwapar yug and should be replaced by higher dharma (breaking a redundant vow for the greater good). Thats Dharmasansthapanarthaay.

In a metaphorical sense, Draupadi represented the bhoomi/Earth and Kaurav/Pandavas represented the corrupt Kshatriyas. Hence all the wrongs done to her in the Dyut Sabha: being dragged by her hair, her menstrual blood being spilt, the vastraharan etc were all representative of the evil being done to Earth.

This was avenged during Kurukshetra (the story of Barbareek in which he says he sees only Sudarshan chakra and Kali drinking blood).

Originally posted by: Eloquent

The issue was thus

1. Dhritarashtra was the elder prince and hence should have been King and his eldest after him

2. However due to his blindness, Pandu was made King.

3. Pandavas were legally, if not biologically, the sons of Pandu. Their very name Pandavas seems to me to be Kunti's idea to deliberately ensure nobody questions them. Niyoga was legally binding.

4. Since Pandu was actual King (Dhritarashtra only stepped in once he died), Yudhisthira had claim to throne as well

5. If Duryodhana claimed that Pandavas were not biological sons of Pandu, then even Pandu and Dhritarashtra were not biological sons of Vichitraveerya (the line actually ended with him). Which means both Duryodhana abd Yudhishthira were equally not related to the royalty and had no right to the throne.

6. One way to resolve this issue was to see who was more worthy and that was definitely Yudhisthira (before vastraharan)

7. After dice hall incident, IMO, nobody was worthy.

The grand irony was that there was one person who had every right to the throne but had stuck by his vow to give it up, even when the vow was redundant.

And the people who had literally no right to it where fighting a bloody war for it.

The message passed by Krishna wrt Bhishma is that the earlier societal norms or if you would call it "dharma" wasn't up to the mark in dwapar yug and should be replaced by higher dharma (breaking a redundant vow for the greater good). Thats Dharmasansthapanarthaay.

In a metaphorical sense, Draupadi represented the bhoomi/Earth and Kaurav/Pandavas represented the corrupt Kshatriyas. Hence all the wrongs done to her in the Dyut Sabha: being dragged by her hair, her menstrual blood being spilt, the vastraharan etc were all representative of the evil being done to Earth.

This was avenged during Kurukshetra (the story of Barbareek in which he says he sees only Sudarshan chakra and Kali drinking blood).

@ Bold : That's sadly the truth. I always thought that this Mahabharat started the day Bhisma vowed to give up his rights on the throne. Had he not vowed such, things would have been very different. I see majority of people blaming Shakuni or Duryodhan, but I blame Bhisma for the whole fiasco. He might not have done it knowingly, but he was the one who planted the seed & later Dhritarastra nurtured the plant & then Duryodhan used the tree.

@Underlined : Really? 🤢 I had no idea about this. 😲

Duryodhan did have a valid claim over the throne since there was no rule that only the son of the king could be made one.

There are many points on it, I had made in another thread will try to find it as revert

I read Karan's son died in draupadi swayamwar while fighting for his father and duryodhan

Is it true or just imagination?

Karan is my fav character apart from Arjun in MB

Because Karan is both bad and good

Arjun is like a bollywood hero perfect good archer great human and friend good husband etc if you look away the cheer haran part

But its actually Bheem who is real hero of MB like he never does any wrong thing in war and always challenges and defeats enemy and is a softy inside and hard outside like coconut

Originally posted by: Eloquent

The issue was thus

1. Dhritarashtra was the elder prince and hence should have been King and his eldest after him

2. However due to his blindness, Pandu was made King.

3. Pandavas were legally, if not biologically, the sons of Pandu. Their very name Pandavas seems to me to be Kunti's idea to deliberately ensure nobody questions them. Niyoga was legally binding.

4. Since Pandu was actual King (Dhritarashtra only stepped in once he died), Yudhisthira had claim to throne as well

5. If Duryodhana claimed that Pandavas were not biological sons of Pandu, then even Pandu and Dhritarashtra were not biological sons of Vichitraveerya (the line actually ended with him). Which means both Duryodhana abd Yudhishthira were equally not related to the royalty and had no right to the throne.

6. One way to resolve this issue was to see who was more worthy and that was definitely Yudhisthira (before vastraharan)

7. After dice hall incident, IMO, nobody was worthy.

The grand irony was that there was one person who had every right to the throne but had stuck by his vow to give it up, even when the vow was redundant.

And the people who had literally no right to it where fighting a bloody war for it.

The message passed by Krishna wrt Bhishma is that the earlier societal norms or if you would call it "dharma" wasn't up to the mark in dwapar yug and should be replaced by higher dharma (breaking a redundant vow for the greater good). Thats Dharmasansthapanarthaay.

In a metaphorical sense, Draupadi represented the bhoomi/Earth and Kaurav/Pandavas represented the corrupt Kshatriyas. Hence all the wrongs done to her in the Dyut Sabha: being dragged by her hair, her menstrual blood being spilt, the vastraharan etc were all representative of the evil being done to Earth.

This was avenged during Kurukshetra (the story of Barbareek in which he says he sees only Sudarshan chakra and Kali drinking blood).

So Bishma was last royal lineage for his family?

Like British royal saga, real prince is somewhere and the ones who occupy throne have dubious credentials

Bishma was a parallel to shravan kumar for his father, he gave up all luxury and his own happiness for his fathers lust at old age

Shantanu was a selfish human and father i think

If Bhishma married and had kids, Shantanu could have spent time with them and reduced his lonliness

Anyway ganga was his wife

In one way i feel sorry for drithrastra he was blind so although elder did not get throne first

If you think logically Duryodhan had higher claim to throne as elder sons son

But he was a cruel and unfit king if he became one

Yudhistra was too soft and innocent to be a king

Yudhistra survived kingship because of arjun and bheem only

Else Yudhistar would lose all wars and kingship titles long back because hes not good warrior or judge of character

When every we watch Mahabharata my mother gets mad at Satyavati 😆

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

When every we watch Mahabharata my mother gets mad at Satyavati 😆

Why Satyavati? 😆 Why not Shantanu? I don't blame Satyavati or her father tbh. Her father was just looking out for his daughter, which is natural. I blame Shantanu. He could have done without marrying Satya...but well...men will be men whatever the yug is😆

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Arjun is like a bollywood hero perfect good archer great human and friend good husband etc if you look away the cheer haran part

But its actually Bheem who is real hero of MB like he never does any wrong thing in war and always challenges and defeats enemy and is a softy inside and hard outside like coconut

if you look it that way arjun and bheem are both "real heroes". they never did any wrong in war unless absolutely nessecary (considering bheeshma, karn and duryodhan). if you are considering the dyut sabha for arjun , you should also consider it for bheem.

but then again the actual hero of MB is Keshav 😊