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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.



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You're absolutely right: this is the argument that was once there in the Ananda Sagar Ramayan thread on the Imagine TV channel 10 years ago. There was a whole bunch of people claiming that all Sita wanted was to play w/ the deer, but anybody who's seen deer on the road knows that they're not Bambi. In real life, they're pretty aggressive towards people, and have damaged cars and property: recently, on the news, they showed footage in I think Colorado where a deer while crossing the freeway just jumped over a car. They are pretty ferocious creatures, and the ones Sita saw wouldn't have been any tamer. And there's nothing 'grey' about her if she wanted to use its skin as a mattress or rug, or even use it for a few dinners.


The issue w/ the Sagars is that they tried to project their idea of what a virtuous Hindu should be on to the subjects of their serials. In reality, as you point out, there is nothing wrong w/ being non-veg, and besides, RSL et al were Kshatriyas, who were expected to be non-veg. In fact, in that era, what does one think happened to an Ashwamedha horse after it was sacrificed at the yagna? It was cooked and eaten, just like other hunted meat. Not just by Kshatriyas, but Brahmins as well. In fact, this idea of Hindus (Vaishnavs, really) being vegetarian started after the competition for adherents started in the classical age b/w Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.


Problem w/ this is that let's say, N years from now, vegan becomes more and more popular and a majority diet among Hindus, and let's say that opinion shapers want to virtue-signal the rest of the population about that. They then go on to show Krishna steal soya-based cream instead of butter, and try selling that to the public. Never mind that he had the normal casein based butter when he raided the kitchen w/ his pals.


That's the problem w/ trying to rewrite history in an attempt to virtue-signal what people ought to do


Glad that at least someone knows the truth. I am happy that like me you are not blind believer of whatever shown on TV. I can't believe Tulsidas was reincarnation of Valmiki. Really? A person of Treta Yug reincarnated in 17th century. If RCM version is true rewritten by reincarnated Tulsidas then why will Valmiki write different stories in the 1st place? Why he will do so if he had to make changes lakhs of years later? I tried explaining my point but I can't argue further after a point because I don't want to get into any fights or termed as Hindu mythology hater for daring to speak the bitter truth instead of pretending everything to be perfectly white instead of little shades of grey. Sita was not shown blouseless according to makers who researched Ramayan clothing because they feared people's reaction. Why can't we just accept flaws of past Yugs and learn from it instead of pretending or obsessing over the fact that everything was ideal? Don't call me mythology hater but a 400-500 pages of book can't actually guarantee how the characters lived then or what all happened in their life just like if we are told to write a biography about someone close to us we won't write everything about them. Even in Mahabharat, they whitewashed Drona in Eklavya issue but people not ready to accept that lie was shown because they don't want to research in books or internet but simply follow TV ir they will bring different ridiculous theories. Don't know about whether they ate ashwamedha horse as meat or not but Sita wanting deer for mattress is true. RCM looks false in many ways. It was rewritten to suit what people wanted to happen. Or may be due to influence of Mughal rule at that time. Just like Shakuni's family sufferings stories cannot be believed which is said to be told by different folks in the same way RCM cannot be believed over Valmiki's version. I have no intention to insult the holy books of my own religion but it's wrong to discuss the actual things in original books than what we are made to blindly believe from the shows.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: RamKiSeeta

It's not that Ram made a mistake and Sita didn't forgive him...if you actually refer to Valmiki Ramayana, the whole story is about a King and Queen teaching the people a lesson. Sita as a Queen taught the people to respect the common woman. She never held any anger or resentment towards Ram or the people of Ayodhya. Everything she did was for her children and to uphold women's honor. She and Ram were always on one accord. Their main goal was to teach humanity how to behave like humans, and to treat each other with love and kindness. God does not make mistakes, that goes against the basic principle of God, but in human form he works within its limitations to show humans how they can go above and beyond.


Btw, Radha was not older than Krishna. She was in fact 14 days younger than him. Paramavatar Shri Krishna was a horrible show, but that one fact they showed true. Radha being older/Krishna's aunt are all folklore that have no true basis.


If Sita not forgiving false was not true why will she go underground? It's nothing wrong if she chose to leave over going back to him as it does set good example to people. She was repeatedly asked to prove her purity to the world even before her kids. Once after killing Ram, 2nd before exiling her as she refused the test and 3rd when agreed to accept her if she proves her purity. You can't go back to a man who repeatedly asks you for proof. Yes a lesson was taught to people through this. Sita going to exile on her own was a fake story shown in recent Colors Ramayan.


Radha being older to Krishna is written at many places. Don't know if it's really true. In BR Chopra show, Radha clearly looked 5-6 years older to Krishna.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: angel_juhi04


Glad that at least someone knows the truth. I am happy that like me you are not blind believer of whatever shown on TV. I can't believe Tulsidas was reincarnation of Valmiki. Really? A person of Treta Yug reincarnated in 17th century. If RCM version is true rewritten by reincarnated Tulsidas then why will Valmiki write different stories in the 1st place? Why he will do so if he had to make changes lakhs of years later? I tried explaining my point but I can't argue further after a point because I don't want to get into any fights or termed as Hindu mythology hater for daring to speak the bitter truth instead of pretending everything to be perfectly white instead of little shades of grey. Sita was not shown blouseless according to makers who researched Ramayan clothing because they feared people's reaction. Why can't we just accept flaws of past Yugs and learn from it instead of pretending or obsessing over the fact that everything was ideal? Don't call me mythology hater but a 400-500 pages of book can't actually guarantee how the characters lived then or what all happened in their life just like if we are told to write a biography about someone close to us we won't write everything about them. Even in Mahabharat, they whitewashed Drona in Eklavya issue but people not ready to accept that lie was shown because they don't want to research in books or internet but simply follow TV ir they will bring different ridiculous theories. Don't know about whether they ate ashwamedha horse as meat or not but Sita wanting deer for mattress is true. RCM looks false in many ways. It was rewritten to suit what people wanted to happen. Or may be due to influence of Mughal rule at that time. Just like Shakuni's family sufferings stories cannot be believed which is said to be told by different folks in the same way RCM cannot be believed over Valmiki's version. I have no intention to insult the holy books of my own religion but it's wrong to discuss the actual things in original books than what we are made to blindly believe from the shows.


Fully agree w/ you here. I go by the original texts, notwithstanding the people who argue:

  • The translations are questionable
  • The texts may have evolved over time

Like you, I never bought the idea that Valmiki was reborn as Tulsidas. The latter derived his works from Adhyatma Ramayana, written by Vyasa. Also, for reference, I tend to trust contemporaneous works of people. In case of the Ramayan, that would mean Valmiki, and in case of the Mahabharat, it would mean Vyasa. Rishi Vashistha is also said to have written an account of the Ramayana, but I've never managed to find it online anywhere. But if it were, it would be credible as well for the same reasons.


One of the things about RCM and other vernacular versions, such as Kamban, Krittivas, et al is that they helped popularize the epic and make it known throughout India: otherwise, it would have remained a work known only to a few Avadhi Sanskrit scholars. I agree that they did yeoman's work, but I dislike all the changes that they underwent in the translation process.


About the attire, I don't mind Sita or Draupadi being shown in modern saris, just like if they ever did a serial on Mahavira (the founder of Jainism), you can bet that they wouldn't show him in his bathing suit. However, the actions that they historically did should not be changed for the sake of the viewing audience.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Tulsids was reincarnation of valmiki . I have heard it on spiritual channel aastha / sadhnna and it was said by reliable ram katha vachak morari bapuand Wikipedia it is also written in that


In bhavishuttar puran Lord shiv telling parvati that in kali age valmiki will get boon from hanuman that in kali age valmiki will reborn as tulsi das and will write in. Varnacular language


There is nothing untrue in this

Vyas was incarnation of Lord Vishnu

There is lot of things ramand sagar did not show in ramayan like they did not show Ravan come at sita swaymmar but fact is that raavan too come at sita swaymmar but fail to life dhanush and when swaymmar they show when ram tieing string of ram everyone watching very easily but fact is that ram lifting dhanush and there is light sparkle and everything is so fast then nobody could know anything what happened

If ramand sagar did not show these things that doesn't not mean these incident did not happen and many things I come to know through spiritual channel by reliable katha vachak



And I don't believe unless I read and heard from reliable source and these things I hear about valmiki. As incarnation of tulsidas I have heard from reliable source that is why I believe this




Tuldidas desire to meet Lord ram and it due to help of hanuman tulsi das able to meet Lord ram and initially tulsi das write ram charit manas in sankriit but it use to vanished then Lord shiv come in dream if u write in ur regional language then it will not vanish so tulsi das write in regional language


And hanuman is still in earth


Fact is that what ever ram and sita all human leela ram did just for World . He never show her divine power in front of World but fact if we go in more details there is always divine secret behind in each and every human leela ( nar leela of Lord ram)



And I don't just depends on TV show to know about religious information I gather information from other sources like new paper , spiritual channel like aatha channel sanskar sadhna channel


And coming to shakuni brother

Shakuni brother did fought in kurushetra war


I don't know how reach conclusions that ram charitra manas is false but fact is that

And ram charitra manas is not false . It has all valid information and more ram charitra manas is pubish by geeta press and what ever geeta press always published valid information about religious text

Geeta press never published fake information about religious text . Geeta press published about Maya sita in ram charitra manas that means Maya sita actually happened in reality


Geeta press never make stories by themselves

If anyone want to read true information about religious text one can surely read religious text published by geeta press


And in every home every body read ram charitra manas only and even in temple ram charitra are read . Nobody will keep ram charitra manas book in home in pooja room and nobody will read ram charitra manas in home that too in front of God if ram charitra manas s false

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Edited by surabhi01 - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Now why ram charitra manas is written

1 important reason that valmiki wrote in Sanskrit and many people could not understand Sanskrit so to make it easy for common people to understand ram charitra was written in simple language so it is easily understand by all people


In treta yug every body know Sanskrit but in kaliyig not everybody know Sanskrit and when kaliyug start then kalyiug start showing it bad effect and it is said if anyone read ram charitra in kalyiug it will reduce bad effect of kalyiug but it was impossible for every people to read ramayan in Sanskrit in kaliyug so it is re written in easy language so that everyone can read it and can reduce bad effect of kalyiug


And more over valmiki look ram as ordinary man that is why he didn't not mention divine power of ram in his book but tulsi das look ram. As Lord Vishnu incarnation that is why tulsi das mention divine leela of Lord ram along with nar leela of Lord ram


And more over tulsi das did mention about valmiki too in in ram charitra manas

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: surabhi01

And more over valmiki look ram as ordinary man that is why he didn't not mention divine power of ram in his book but tulsi das look ram. As Lord Vishnu incarnation that is why tulsi das mention divine leela of Lord ram along with nar leela of Lord ram

Not true: Valmiki clearly mentions the devas approaching Vishnu, and getting him to be born on earth as Dasharath's 4 sons. One difference here: all 4 brothers are Vishnu avatars - Rama 0.5, Lakshman 0.25, and Bharat & Shatrughan 0.125 each. None of Lakshman being Sesha-nag, nor Kaushalya and Kaikeyi giving half their portions to Sumitra.

However, there's a very strong reason Rama's divine powers never existed before he killed Ravan, and that everything he knew was developed just like humans from various rishis - Vashistha, Vishwamitra, Atri, Agastya, et al. It was related to the boon Ravan had received from Brahma, under which he was immune to all divine entities - devas, gandharvas, yakshas, et al, except humans. Only a few select rishis knew of his divinity upfront: it wasn't until Brahma revealed it following Sita's agni-praveshna that it was widely known. Had Rama inherited all the divine powers of Vishnu, the way say Krishna did, Brahma's boon would have kicked in and he'd have been powerless against Ravan. B'cos after all, if Vishnu could have killed Ravan himself, where would have been the need to be born on earth and painstakingly do it, giving Ravan years longer to bully the devas and everyone else. That's why contrary to what Tulsidas wrote and what the Sagar serials show, everybody didn't know of Rama's avatar status before the killing of Ravan

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Here is link of difference between ramayan and ram charitra manas and tell how valmiki portray Lord ram and how tulsi das portray Lord ram

https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/7767/what-are-the-main-differences-between-valmiki-ramayana-and-ram-charit-manas


ashishgupta_5977/11-differences-between-ramayana-and-ramcharitmanas-you-must-know-9249c105cd17

Edited by surabhi01 - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Surabhi, the link you gave doesn't contradict what I wrote. Indeed, one of the points the author made was here:


[QUOTE=]Valmiki Ramayan portrays Ram in a human form without omniscience. But Ramcharitmanas portrays Ram as supreme omniscient Brahman displaying human nature as a part of Leela.

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Omniscient means 'all-knowing', like Krishna was in the Dwapar Yuga. Like I pointed out above, Rama couldn't have been omniscient, b'cos for that, he'd have had to be divine, which would have rendered him ineffective given Ravan's boon from Brahma.

But Valmiki does mention how Vishnu promises the Devas that he'll take a human incarnation to kill Ravana


Edited by .Vrish. - 5 years ago
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https://www.templepurohit.com/difference-valmiki-ramayana-tulsidas-ramcharitmanas/


https://medium.com/@ashishgupta_5977/11-differences-between-ramayana-and-ramcharitmanas-you-must-know-9249c105cd17

Edited by surabhi01 - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
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I never understood what she would do with a deer 🤣



My mom while watching turns to me: see, kanji bhi unnecessary zid nahi Karin chahiye!

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