Originally posted by: aquaHP
Hi Ruhi!
Really like that you are discussing all the characters here. I personally really liked the last episode. It was very balanced. I'll try and put through my thoughts in a similar way like you did.
Mishti: I feel that Mishti messaging Ketu after suggesting that they don't contact Meenu until and unless they have thought it through was somewhere a breach of pact. She should have taken everyone's opinions or at the least informed them before going through with anything regarding Meenu. She, of all people, is well aware how fast things take an ugly turn when anything related to Meenakshi happens. I think everything else in her behaviour was justified from her side. She was right in getting angry with Kuhu and Abir.
B: see as far as i see...they said they shouldnt message meenu but never said ghar pe kisi se baat nahi karni chahiye... amd ketu already msgd abir regarding this as naanu asked kaushal to msg abir but he sent too meenu and ketu managed and ketu msgd abir... so im taking liberty here and taking mishti side as ketu msged abir first and then mishti msged ketu to know about it and more over after meenu's call to kunal only it happened...(as far as i remember the epi)
Abir: Show ke end tak patch up nahi hoga, ye hume pata hai but Abir ko to nahi pata na. So, his reactions will be that way. The plan never made sense but AbiNal did succeed for a while when Kuhu and Mishti were thrown in the pool till the romancing at night bit. The problem came when they were pulled back into reality that it's just a holiday and they have Meenakshi in their lives.
Coming to his fight with Mishti, I feel that happened because he has never seen this version of Mishti before. He has seen most of her sides, be it calm, romantic, fun, sad or insecure but now he is seeing 2 completely different sides which he didn't even know existed.
1. He had never seen her full blown fight with Kuhu before. He had seen her be worried for Kuhu or witnessed their arguments but he hadn't seen the bitterness that was present in both the sisters for each other.
2. He hadn't seen Mishti trying to gain validation from authority figures either. He had only seen her be insecure of losing the love of a family that was already present in her life but he hadn't seen the effort and work she puts in to gain the initial validation from an elder. This is what her insecurity revolves around: not being the perfect daughter, or in this case, daughter-in-law. Abir doesn't realise that in his fear that his mother will ruin his newfound happiness. He doesn't realise that he is essentially working against what Mishti is trying to build. Mishti is working tirelessly to gain Meenakshi's approval whereas Abir is trying to defy Meenakshi and that is where the conflict has built up from.
The main line which stood out for me was when he said that it felt like he was talking to his Maa. I think he justified also why he said it. He can see that Mishti is trying to prove a point that she is right and Kuhu is wrong but he doesn't understand where the drive for Mishti's behaviour is coming from. He has no idea of the relationship that Kuhu and Mishti share. Mishti is the reason for Kuhu's insecurity where as in Mishti's case, Kuhu keeps attacking her insecurities, and that's the point that Abir is missing. He hasn't realised how deep rooted the issues between the 2 sisters are. I don't know why Kunal is missing that point considering Kuhu had clearly told him before their 1st marriage why Mishti's presence bothered her so much. Also, I don't think his subtle shots will change Kuhu's behaviour completely but she will surely control her tongue in front of Abir but if they really want the sisters to patch, they actually need to hear them out and understand what is bothering them so much.
B: aactually i dont find any odd in abir's behaviour... he is like that and i agree he dont what is their equation... but the best thing of mishku is they will be united when they are worst situation and back to square when everything is normal... if this sisters equation has to changed then some thing worst should happen but it be also temporary again we will see flips of them...
abir only seen very less of them and druken drama made him believe they love each other... what i didnt like is leaving mishti and going where she is his wife and he already did it before too... so that i didnt like and his anger or frastaution is justified but i need himto stay and to be angry not leaving her...
mishti's is doing for acceptance from meenu as meenu too behaving like accepting her when mishti knows what actual meenu plan then i want to know what she feels..
*Before you read ahead, fair warning that I've mostly pasted my feelings on the episode from the AT but I think it covered all the points you mentioned and some more. I've tried to add the points I thought were missing but I feel it's better to let you know beforehand that the points on Kuhu and Kunal might seem a bit off from your post.*
Kuhu: I hated the manhandling bit too. That was really uncalled for. Her behaviour and the things she said we're mean. Having said that, I also do see where she is coming from. This has been her experience every time that Mishti says something to her but does something of her own accord, as was mentioned in her dialogues. Mishti should not have messaged Ketu without discussing this with others, whatever the intent behind the message. I feel Kuhu would have berated her for messaging Ketu as well (because of past experiences), though not as aggressively. The talk with Meenakshi just made her fly off the handle.
In all of this, I do have to say I hate the way Mishti and the Maheshwaris talk to Kuhu. They treat her as some tantrum throwing child when she is not one. She has proven that multiple times. The problem starts when they start treating her as a child. They keep reinforcing that statement and she starts acting like one in return. I feel in this situation, the shift from sensible adult to tantrum child started after Holika dehen when Kunal told her to stop complaining like a kid, Varsha and BM came to her room and reinforced and reminded her of that feeling. She just needs someone to sit her down and listen to her once. As she said in the pool, that if you wanted to sort things out between us, you could have taken us to a coffee shop or a mall like adults rather than creating this elaborate plan and trying to bring the two together in life or death situations. The brothers think that the problem here is that the sisters haven't realised that they love each other in a conscious state. Such dum dums! Inko koi batao that they know they love each other deep down but their insecurities are much more stronger than the underlying love.
You brought up a good point with #keepitseparate thing. She used to mind her own business. Actually, she is still minding her own business but Meenakshi is tiling her up by targeting her insecurities again and again. I don't know if you've read the KuKu AT recently but @samanalyse put it really nicely by saying that Meenakshi is basically stimulating MH patterns in the RV sadan since the MishBir marriage and that is throwing Kuhu off and making her think that she is not loved now because Mishti has entered the house. I think it's better if you read her post because she explains it so much better (https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/153068250)
coming to kuhu i never said she shouldnt talk to mishti like that.. but the control of words is needed... i know what past kuhu is coming from but kuhu only behaved maturely in kunal's matter and divorce thing... sorry for saying this but kuhu maitained all her relations in RJV gracefully but she never bridge any gap between any person.. even it meenu-abir , abir-kunal... she told kunal not to fight with abir and you are loosing him morethan she concentrated on mishti is winning... and the way kuhu handle RJV is not done... u have to keep balance between all persons but what i see kuhu just keeps safe side her realtion with everyone... eg: abir she says she loves him but never accepts mishti as abir's love or wife... , meenu: all say kuhu handled meenu well in kunal's truth but i say she just safe sided her self from meenu's burnt and pushed kunal and mishti in that... coming to meenu pushing kuhu's insecurities... yes meenu is pushing but my problem is kuhu never any fair chance to mishti after coming to RJV to mend their relation.. first rasoi thing... kuhu herself said mishti cant do this and she failed miserbaly...let mishti take stand for herself why kuhu should interfere and she said beacuse meenu wants to give haar to mishti and if haar thing not happened then might or might not say about mishti's cooking... mishti's angry is justified because kuhu wont accept her mistakes and always blame mishti because its kuhu's way of escaping from situations... im not saying mishti didnt do any mistakes but kuhu always do this and mishti cant believe kuhu if it is galti also , next to pills fisaco galti se hua but she said mishti could have drunk she said that 2 times and even she bad mouthed mishti infront of meenu... so mishti's doubt will be increased in kuhu's words (here mishti gave benifit of doubt to kuhu but kuhu bad mouthed to meenu so mish benifit of doubt gone... holika dahan yes kuhu actually worried and didnt do anything but kuhu lost trust infront of mishti so mishti reacted... after holi.... from where the hell mishti can bring medicines and keep in kuhu's room? i mean first mishti dont even know sleeping ghar pe kaha hain and kis box mein hain... so how will she keep in kuhu's room and bang thing... knowingly why will mishti consume bhang... kuhu doesnt use her maturity when it comes to mishti... she behaves like child but expects to be treated as mature one... coming to BM- varsha u dont like me saying this but what they spoke is correct... she cant behave like that in her sasuraal and thats the reason thyey told her... if kuhu gets a chance i doubt she can put her actual feelings or not.. because they will judge her is the thing bothers her... till now i dont understand her word of free loaders... i mean she should have that common sense, abir is app developer and govt uses his apps, he runs NGO and all of his earnings are from his hard work, he constructed school, gave funds to mumbai police, condcuts all festivals from his NGO... so he had enough money that he never shows it nor want to show... cant he pay money for a resort? just because kunal paid mishbir became free loaders to her? even kunal also developed that company but bought that ccompany with his money... so i dont kuhu saying that...
Kunal: He is not used to lecturing people. Rather, he is used to being lectured around when it comes to any relationship. Also, I don't think Bhabhi se bohot pyaar hai. It's like he said that husband-wife are one unit, so he has put Mishti on the same pedestal as his brother but when it comes to listening to people, Abir will always be the higher priority and since Abir said that they are going to leave without Mishti, then he will do what Bhai says.
It seems like Kunal has realised that his role of mediator is far from over. Rather, the responsibilities have doubled since the sisters became devrani-jethani. I may be reading too much into Kunal's behaviour here but bear with me as I narrate my theory.
He seems to be using his businessman brain and trying to divide and conquer the situations. He has realised that for the sisters to be together, he needs his brother and for his brother to be in his senses, he needs MishBir to patch up. So, first step complete. Second step probably involves talking to Kuhu. I am hoping that we'll get the conversation while Abir runs back to the resort on foot because car ki kya hi zaroorat hai. Wo to Kuhu ke backrest ke liye hi hai na #DufferChhokroKaDufferBro🤦🏻♀️. So, how I see Kunal's game plan is MishBir patch up leads to bhai on side for MishKu patch up leading to Kuhu's #mishtimania (thanks Clarity) getting over to her helping him with Meenu-Parul situation and then happily ever after with wife.
Kunal has always been the last priority for himself and so I would assume that the person giving him that happiness would be too. If y'all remember, he had said ki "maine khud ko bohot importance de di, ab mai saari importance Kuhu ko dena chaahta hu". Well, in this scenario, it is implied that he has given his place to Kuhu and made himself go one step further than being the last priority. So, then kuhu takes second last place. The problem here being that Kuhu wants Kunal to be the first priority like she wants to be. She has always by default been second fiddle and Kunal decided to take that place. Kuhu wants both of them to feel and be important for everyone rather than being taken for granted whereas Kunal is happy with the place he has chosen because he knows no different but he likes it when he is someone's first priority apart from his brother. For example, when he said that he can't believe that someone can like him so much after burning the divorce papers.
Adding a point mentioned by @peacenfun: Kunal is amazed that he is someone's first priority, but he is reluctant because this means kuhu is now going to fight for him & this might create imbalance in how things are in RV house, thats why he said that 'Aaj ke baad iss bare mein mat bolna kabhi', though to abir he said 'kaun kya karta hai iss baare mein hum baat nahi karte because we all love each other'.
B: i loved kunal's behaviour and but i want him to say before leaving resort to abir... and kunal accepting mishti for me is not only because of abir but morethan abir kunal knows how he mis treated mishti during kuku first shaadi... so he is in redemption mode... coming to kunal saying abir who works , who goes office never matter because we love each other... i didnt like thing said by kunal... meenu made kunal workoholic, before that may be kunal gone to office but not like now, abir keeps balance of his work and other things... and he never show off his work or earnings... even kunal knows this and he himself said abir ameer rajvansh so abir has enough money to care of him and his wife...
even i dont like kunal saying to kuhu in that before leaving resort but when they stopped car i thought his tone is not that bad...
the insecurity of kunal is abir will not love him or his priority will be changed if mishti takes that position but when he got to know mishti cant do that he is safe and secured... so kunal's insecurity gone... kunal making every possible attempt to make kuhu as his priority and spend time with her but kuhu is not encouraging.... he wanted to take kuhu to holiday only both of them but kuhu interested in pooja, kunal said if mishbir says here only we 2 can spend time but she is more of they are enjoying kunal's money... when abir gifted kuhu a designer dress that means she enjoyed abir's money? for me the way kuhu seeing situation is according to her wish.. kunal se kaam se break lelo then kuhu says why to take break, if kunal says he had important work then she says take a break... i mean kunal cant run according to kuhu's wishes... he is doing his best but kuhu is not happy with anything... i know only thing that only kunal can cure kuhu no one will make her understand anything...
I hope it all made some sense. Thanks for reading!
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