Maya and antara - Page 4

Originally posted by: Cinnamonn

I watched the show from the very beginning. And I know what an affair is. Maya's a kid, right? Then it makes her look foolish. Because you went with a married man. Lie or not, he is still married. And you cheating with a married man and running to the wife to seek all the help in the world is what? It is hilarious like I said. Naturally which mistress goes to the wife? So should all wife's help the mistress who's sleeping with their husbands?

Funny you don't know what an affair is. It is an affair. MJ is married LEGALLY and Maya was aware of it. Whether a wife is cheating, and doing all kind of bullshit. Legally by the law MJ is a married man and manvi had a relationship with him even though he presented "divorce papers" that is what you call "sleeping with a married man" So I know what an affair is. And you know what's even hilarious is that you're stating Maya was a kid. Is that supposed to give her a pass? Poor naive manvi, who cannot and doesn't think on her own just got swept away by a man who could be her daddy? Which girl is that naive and stupid? That's not even a good look. It actually makes her desperate. She's going after a man who can be her father. That's disgusting. That does not justify what Maya did back then.. it never will.

No it was not an affair in the conventional sense...Manvi was a kid who did not voluntarily get into the relationship with evil intentions or to wreck someone's home deliberately like a femme fatale. MJ clearly concocted a sob story using Antara saying how she'd been cheating on him with so many men. That's precisely why she sought her help because who wouldn't? Manvi thought Antara was some blind, innocent woman who had no idea about the ways of her husband. You are repeatedly hauling Manvi over the coals for going to Antra without understanding this very fact. As for the rest of your spiel, I guess you have no idea about how predators work in the real world. Read up on the likes of Harvey Weinstein, Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Michael Jackson et al

Manvi's only fault was that she was stupid. She could not see through MJ who is a seasoned predator. Was she wrong? Yes because she got involved with a married man. However she genuinely loved him, despite his age or marital status. MJ's age was not the problem, the problem was that he was married and manvi fell for his sob story. No one here said she was completely innocent but still, people empathized with her because she paid a very big price for being so naive. I don't like kicking people when they are already down and more then manvi, MJ deserves to be dragged for going after a girl young enough to be his daughter. Manvi screwed up but her feelings were genuine unlike MJ who trapped her to satisfy his ego. This is not an affair where a cunning girl went after her older boss, this is an affair where a predator simply charmed, lied then emotionally manipulated a dumb 20 year old. Then when she became a liability to him, he ripped her apart. This entire situation reminds me of the Bill Clinton and monica Lewinsky scandal. I'm sure there are many stories of foolish 20 something year olds having an affair with their powerful, older boss. There is a major imbalance of power in such situation. Monica only suffered public humiliation and ostracization, whereas manvi suffered a fate much worse. Again, I'm not denying that manvi was at fault but her foolishness should not be looked at in isolation, because there is a bigger picture here. Both parties are to be blamed in an extra marital affair but the problem is that society will let men get away with a slap on the wrist, while the women are dragged over the coals repeatedly and they will never be able to live it down.

Originally posted by: pomegranate

Manvi's only fault was that she was stupid. She could not see through MJ who is a seasoned predator. Was she wrong? Yes because she got involved with a married man. However she genuinely loved him, despite his age or marital status. MJ's age was not the problem, the problem was that he was married and manvi fell for his sob story. No one here said she was completely innocent but still, people empathized with her because she paid a very big price for being so naive. I don't like kicking people when they are already down and more then manvi, MJ deserves to be dragged for going after a girl young enough to be his daughter. Manvi screwed up but her feelings were genuine unlike MJ who trapped her to satisfy his ego. This is not an affair where a cunning girl went after her older boss, this is an affair where a predator simply charmed, lied then emotionally manipulated a dumb 20 year old. Then when she became a liability to him, he ripped her apart. This entire situation reminds me of the Bill Clinton and monica Lewinsky scandal. I'm sure there are many stories of foolish 20 something year olds having an affair with their powerful, older boss. There is a major imbalance of power in such situation. Monica only suffered public humiliation and ostracization, whereas manvi suffered a fate much worse. Again, I'm not denying that manvi was at fault but her foolishness should not be looked at in isolation, because there is a bigger picture here. Both parties are to be blamed in an extra marital affair but the problem is that society will let men get away with a slap on the wrist, while the women are dragged over the coals repeatedly and they will never be able to live it down.

Monica was not similar to Manvi in any way. She knowingly went after Bill Clinton, showing him her thong and cleavage. She was also a serial homewrecker who had previously tried to seduce her college professor.

Bold underlined: That's exactly what Monica was.

Y'all have very conservative views and it shows. Maanvi had no wrong whatsoever. She didn't act on her crush at all. Wasn't it MJ paying off her fathers hospital bills? Him giving her flowers? Maanvi just wanted to show off her work ethic like a REGULAR schemegular person. Maanvi fell in love with MJ after he EMOTIONALLY abused her wit the fake story of Antara cheating on him. Maanvi was FORCED into loving MJ through predatory guilt. You don't tell a victim "well it's your fault too" like excuse me? And even if Maanvi acted on her crush and was stripping for MJ. MJ should've fired her. 🤪And yes then that would be Maanvi's fault because she would have sexually harassed MJ. That wasn't the case at all but I'm just saying. BUT, the shows is that their affair started from sexual harassment turned to predatory guilt turned to physical assault. MJ first sexually harassed Maanvi with all those nice gestures and pressing himself on her, and then the predatory guilt leaped in with him paying off her fathers medical bills and his fake suicide attempt. India won't progress as a society if we keep blaming victims. I'm sorry to say that, but it's true. Look at how the western world deals with rape victims and survivors of domestic violence, it's not the greatest but the empathy level is far more stronger than it is in India. Point is quit saying "Maanvi was stupid" If anything Maanvi did the right thing by exposing what happened to Antara. Antara can't be blamed either since she was abused and brainwashed by MJ. Yes she should've listened to Maanvi but she was also manipulated by MJ. Diya was also trapped by MJ and fixated on BROKEN promises MJ promised her. Again Diya has done a lot of sinister stuff, however she was also a victim of MJ's deceit.

I would like to say here all three women are victims and abusers in some way

1) Maya: Maya is a victim in sense that she was stupid to have love affair with a married man. But she paid a heavy price for that murder attempts her baby dead etc. If Maya was clever she would have left the city and saved her and her baby life and her brother/fathers but she called press conference. What she never understand is that society will blame a woman only in affair not the man? I am confused Maya had press conference did nandini not watch press asking all those questions to MJ than and Rudra he was 20 years old did he not see press came in party and asked about affair?

2) Antara: Antara is rich mans wife whose busy showing off her wealth and power to remaining world while hubby busy having affairs and physically and mentally abusing her. Any woman in 99% cases in india would have done only what antara did support hubby to save family. But antara should have stayed away from Mayas affair actually than telling MJ to deal with her. I think in antaras case Maya did very much wrong with antara by having affair with MJ as anatra did wrong with her by telling MJ to kick her off his life. So antara should not have been punished again by Maya. Maya is as much fault as antara here. Maya has destroyed anatars life as much as antara destroyed mayas life so it squares off actually. Now everyone says why she did not confront MJ, she had no power MJ is a predatory rich man he will have affairs but wife has no power to question. Many such men exist like MJ in society, many times many know the mans behaviour but keep quiet as hes powerful and rich

3) Diya: Diya is emotionally blackmailed by MJ thats why shes with him. Shes like a second wife of many rich men, who never gets offcial name and status but is that mans wife. Look around many diyas are there. But Diya is doctor rich enough to take care of self so not sure why she was with MJ only emotional black mail is all i can think of. May be MJ was her classmate whom she knows from teenage or childhood and she just cannot imagine living without him ever. Diya is also abuser because she wanted to abort Mayas baby. But MJ must have grip on her mind to her obey to do such stuff. Like i said Diya and MJ past is of imporance how they met and fell in love, only that can reveal why shes so attached to him. Maya also abused her by sending her to asylum when shes fine. She could have put case and jaled her or had her doc license cancelled instead better revenge that would be. Diya also abused antaras friendship shes to answer for that too.

Originally posted by: MayaNation20

Y'all have very conservative views and it shows. Maanvi had no wrong whatsoever. She didn't act on her crush at all. Wasn't it MJ paying off her fathers hospital bills? Him giving her flowers? Maanvi just wanted to show off her work ethic like a REGULAR schemegular person. Maanvi fell in love with MJ after he EMOTIONALLY abused her wit the fake story of Antara cheating on him. Maanvi was FORCED into loving MJ through predatory guilt. You don't tell a victim "well it's your fault too" like excuse me? And even if Maanvi acted on her crush and was stripping for MJ. MJ should've fired her. 🤪And yes then that would be Maanvi's fault because she would have sexually harassed MJ. That wasn't the case at all but I'm just saying. BUT, the shows is that their affair started from sexual harassment turned to predatory guilt turned to physical assault. MJ first sexually harassed Maanvi with all those nice gestures and pressing himself on her, and then the predatory guilt leaped in with him paying off her fathers medical bills and his fake suicide attempt. India won't progress as a society if we keep blaming victims. I'm sorry to say that, but it's true. Look at how the western world deals with rape victims and survivors of domestic violence, it's not the greatest but the empathy level is far more stronger than it is in India. Point is quit saying "Maanvi was stupid" If anything Maanvi did the right thing by exposing what happened to Antara. Antara can't be blamed either since she was abused and brainwashed by MJ. Yes she should've listened to Maanvi but she was also manipulated by MJ. Diya was also trapped by MJ and fixated on BROKEN promises MJ promised her. Again Diya has done a lot of sinister stuff, however she was also a victim of MJ's deceit.

I disagree with your saying its sexual harrasment. Sexual harassment is if Mj calls Maya and says "If you do not have affair with me i will throw you out of job or stop promotions etc". If MJ was sending her flowers she can reject it or inform HR/Seniors that MJ is harassing her. If it goes extreme she can go to womens cell outside or police since MJ is owner of company. Or just resign and join new company. If she does not do all this and falls in love no matter what he says law and HR will not consider it as sexual hararsment etc. Its more of affair that MJ and Manvi had not sexual harassment. Many women get proposals or flowers from colleagues. They just have to throw that flower in dustbin and put a word to HR or womens cell and move on. HR or police will handle creeps like MJ if hes after you for love etc. If you do not complaint anywhere law or HR or womens cell shall not consider it as sexual harassment. MJ did not threaten her with dismissal or kicking her out of mumbai etc to love him. Thats more of an affair foolish i agree but its an affair

Sexual harassment is defined as unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature when either:

• The conduct is made as a term or condition of an individual's employment, education, living environment or participation in a University community.
• The acceptance or refusal of such conduct is used as the basis or a factor in decisions affecting an individual's employment, education, living environment, or participation in a University community.
• The conduct unreasonably impacts an individual's employment or academic performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive environment for that individual's employment, education, living environment, or participation in a University community.

I just want to understand when Maya can not tolerate Ananya eating the cake she made for Rudra, she can't tolerate the pillow Ananya brought for Rudra, Maya calls Ananya gandagi, Maya tortures Ananya

But Antara was supposed to sympathize with someone who was pregnant with her husband's child, why?

Maya doesn't say anything to Rudra, she didn't get mad at Rudra for accepting the pillow, she put on a show of goodness

Antara calling Maya a kachra is sick but Maya calling Ananya gandagi is applauded

Antara torturing Maya is sick but Maya torturing Ananya is sukoon

Both women don't say anything to their husbands, both parade around the tag of Mrs Roy, both look down upon women who they think are coming between them and their husbands

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I just want to understand when Maya can not tolerate Ananya eating the cake she made for Rudra, she can't tolerate the pillow Ananya brought for Rudra, Maya calls Ananya gandagi, Maya tortures Ananya

But Antara was supposed to sympathize with someone who was pregnant with her husband's child, why?

Maya doesn't say anything to Rudra, she didn't get mad at Rudra for accepting the pillow, she put on a show of goodness

Antara calling Maya a kachra is sick but Maya calling Ananya gandagi is applauded

Antara torturing Maya is sick but Maya torturing Ananya is sukoon

Both women don't say anything to their husbands, both parade around the tag of Mrs Roy, both look down upon women who they think are coming between them and their husbands

very good point

ananya not even having affair with rudra or has got pregnant with his child

it was maya who snatched rudra from ananya by trapping in love games after engagement not other way

so antara and maya are similar but ananyas case cannot be compared to maya actually

maya willingly had affairs with MJ than although knowing rudra is engaged trapped rudra in love games but acts goody in front of rudra

rudra is peculiar man cannot see whats happening in front of eyes hes too dumb to be be 28-30 year old guy

Originally posted by: myviewprem

very good point

ananya not even having affair with rudra or has got pregnant with his child

it was maya who snatched rudra from ananya by trapping in love games after engagement not other way

so antara and maya are similar but ananyas case cannot be compared to maya actually

maya willingly had affairs with MJ than although knowing rudra is engaged trapped rudra in love games but acts goody in front of rudra

rudra is peculiar man cannot see whats happening in front of eyes hes too dumb to be be 28-30 year old guy

Maya did not snatch Rudra from Ananya, Rudra loves Maya only

But Maya should be the first person to understand how it feels when someone calls you a kachra or gandagi

Maya's line to Ananya was "Mujhe gandagi pasand nahi hai"

This is exactly what Antara had said to Manvi

Manvi had affair with MJ but I think it comes under sex on pretext of marriage which according to SC is rape, I would never blame victim in this case, they are lured by these men, the fact that SC had to rule in this way tells the agony of women who go through this

I will put it this way, when a married man chooses to have an affair, it is his mistake for not respecting his marriage or his family. I will also say that to a certain degree Manvi was at fault but for someone gullible who lived on fairy tale romances, this was what would have end up happening. If not MJ, some other man would have taken advantage. What surprised me is how can a girl as educated and a city girl like Manvi be so foolish? Didn't she learn on contraceptions? This whole fiasco started cause of her pregnancy. If she did not get pregnant, this whole fiasco would not have happened.