Originally posted by: cricketfan1
@green:I have tried to research about it in all honesty but never could understand let alone be convinced as to how it can be applied to the present world....My question to you was not in rhetoric but my continued sincere effort to understand this very enigmatic concept of Islam!
Can you blame if people distort things as per convenience when they can quote from stuff like(which I have read in this very thread and was left appalled) - ‘2 women witnesses are needed but only 1 man witness is enough’ ‘Women cannot pronounce ‘talaaq’ in the face of a man but a man can’ etc....
@black: That is what I believe in too...Religion or no religion, Islam or no Islam- that is the only thing that makes sense! But right here in this very thread I have read about people wanting to take things in their own hands because apparently that is what Allah has said- to not let bad people go without punishment.....
I think you probably need to read around the topic a bit more. You're not wrong when you say it's hard to justify men having more than one wife in this day and age. This is what I was alluding to when I said that if people actually educated themselves on the topic they would realise men are getting away with stuff they are not allowed to do.
I don't want to go into this too much on the forum but first of all, men are not allowed to take a second wife without the first wife's permission.
If a man does take more than one wife he has to keep them completely equal. What one gets the other should get, and that includes things like property. Most men are not capable of doing this.
Taking into account the above, realistically it is not viable for men to take more than one wife. How many men will be able to do this whilst meeting all the shariah criteria?
Also, as far as I'm aware, in the Prophet (saw)'s time, second wives were normally taken for valid reasons, like protecting a divorced or widowed woman, or to end a conflict by marrying a woman from another tribe.
Most scholars actually say taking a second wife in modern times is impermissible:
https://seekersguidance.org/answers/hanafi-fiqh/is-polygamy-really-allowed/
Bold: these people are completely wrong. We are not allowed to take things into our own hands and torture people for committing sins. Humans, sin and make mistakes. Over and over again in the Quran Allah (swt) says there is forgiveness for those who repent.
This is from eShaykh:
It is a well-established principle in the Law already from the time of the Companions (Allah be well-pleased with them) that the Shari`a demands we always try to find excuses in order not to enforce the criminal penalty (hadd). This principle is based on explicit sayings to that effect by several of the foremost Ahl al-Fatwa among the Companions: Sayyidina `Umar and Ibn Mas`ud in Sahih al-Bukhari and Ibn Hazm’s Fisal (“Avert the penalties by way of inconclusive evidence as much as you can”; Sayyida `Aisha in al-Tirmidhi (“Avert the penalties as much as you can, and if any leeway is found then release the detainee. Truly it is preferable for the ruler to pardon mistakenly than to punish mistakenly”); and Mu`adh b. Jabal and `Uqba b. `Amir as stated by Ibn Hajar in Talkhis al-Habir. Among the most glaring excuses forming “inconclusive evidence” is the culprit’s ignorance of the penalty, which can be cited to avert the penalty in any society past or present, consumerist or otherwise.
But the sad truth is that a lot of people who have very limited knowledge of Islam think they know better and demand people be severely punished, instead of forgiven and allowed to move forward.
Some people on this forum especially are so dogmatic and refuse to actually learn the true facts. A while ago on this thread, I had this conversation with someone who was insisting that anyone who commits a sin must be given the hadd punishment, despite the Quran's emphasis on forgiveness, hadith advocating forgiveness and scholars saying we should try to avoid the hadd punishment.
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