KZK and Rural Viewers - Page 4

Originally posted by: abhiya_12

Wow a post attacking a member's views on something. This forum don't fail to amaze me in it's obsession with show and characters they call crap, boring and unworthy. And personally attacking members.

Hey Abhiya,

thank you for sharing your concern. But I definitely don't intend to attack anyone, rather I was intrigued by that part, that's why I used a section of the post.

I avoided using a direct link to the post, but I couldn't find any way to make this post without the section I was referring to.. or the context. If you have a suggestion for me where I can edit that part of the member's post and still show the context on which this post is made on.. please do share. I promise I will try to make amendments.. I wanted to build up on the original post but thread got closed.

Also if I wrote that in my own words, then there were more chances of misinterpreting the thoughts which I don't want.

Thanks for your post!

Originally posted by: manzilmukul

First of all, thank you Sunshine for such massive research. I was about to reply to the previous TRP thread, but it got closed. I believe, my comment there was not to DISS anyone. When I say WE ARE A REGRESSIVE CHAUVINSITIC SOCIETY, I am talking about myself as well.

I gyrate to OBJECTIFICATION of women item numbers, and then I am talking about women's equality too.

My previous posts too were for the same mentality of society. I have seen shows which have meaningful content has the lowest TRP, look at Sony TV, for instance.

And, then I see KZK picking up again due to women being shown fighting with each other. That was my entire point of discussion in the previous thread too. I sincerely apologise if those simple discussions were misconstrued with dissing anyone. I am not in the capacity to diss anyone. I expressed my displeasure over how such crap tracks fetch TRP's.

I am shocked to see that we are URBAN TRP contributors.

Having followed KZK from the beginning, it's only of late, and my forum activity has increased due time at hand or leisure.

I loved the whole point of your post and @bookworm too, who made some valid points.

I do not belong to any fandom nor believe in singing praises in the glory of tracks even if I don't like them.

I feel annoyed when women fight with each other, I feel angry when men are not held accountable for their actions. I feel agitated when all women are either shown to harassing MIL's or crazy vamps who are home breakers.

And, these fetch TRP's

Anyway, I hate it when women fight with each other, for some reason such tracks fetch TRP's.

I agree with your basic premise that we as a society are chauvinistic. This is sadly visible in every section of society and every walk of life and cannot be disputed or argued with.

But your assumption that kzk is picking up in numbers now because women are fighting each other and that shows our mindset as a society is extremely wrong and judgemental, not in the least because it is simply not the whole picture. It is OK to watch a show through colored and prejudiced lenses but that does not mean we don't view the story, characters for who and what they are. The trp is currently not rising because two women are fighting with each other. It is rising because currently the show has a clearly defined hero, heroine and villain. People who watch rooting for the lead couple of the show to be together have all the signs that they are meant to be. There's drama, there's emotion, there's also a FL who is sure of her place and wins in her battles. This is not simply two women fighting. It is a battle of good versus bad, right versus wrong, and this is usually the basic premise of any good story starting with our great epics like mahabharata. A battle between good and bad where we know that the good will ultimately win is the ultimate feel good viewing experience and it is this in a nutshell that's drawing the viewers back in.

Also I find the premise that we are an urban viewing audience and so should have more refined tastes a little bemusing. Ultimately it's ebtertsinment and if thats what one derives from it, then purpose served. Be it rural or urban!

Originally posted by: hope4u

First of kudos for taking the time to draw statistics in response to a post.

I don't think you have actually captured the entire picture of what it means when one says that many of the viewers are rural masses.. You have probably missed the later part of the statement : underpriviledged and impoverished. Many people who live in urban cities also come from below poverty lines or from societies which do not belong to a certain socio-economic class, if you will . Infact, these people make up a much larger section of the population and as a result the TV viewing population too.and a lot of people who belong to fairly stable economic families may also enjoy entertainment which is very unreal and dramatic in nature. So the answer may not be as simple as drawing up the trp viewing data of rural centres.

Next, the basic problem is in thinking or suggesting that a particular person or section is in anyway inferior because he or she watches something. That is highly judgemental and snobbish. I don't say here that you're doing it, but I generally don't condone to the idea that rural population only watches something or even comments that it is Infact urban population who watch this or some other show. Fact of the matter remains, there are people who have been watching this show and that number steadily increased over a year, before it steadily fell and now it has stabilized and started increasing again. This is neither a place to discuss the who and what of it, nor do I have any inclination to do so. But the bottom line is people are watching something that they enjoy and they are entitled to do so. Because at the end of the day we are doing the same thing here. Irrespective of which Fandom we belong to, we have all been watching a show that has never been great in content because we get some pleasure out of it. So to sectionally judge a certain time frame of the show to be in some way superior intellectually or in terms of entertainment and diss the rest is not becoming at all and leaves, quite frankly, a very bad taste.

Thanks Hope.. I got intrigued and iI had some time to kill so I got into a bit of it.. thanks for appreciating the effort.

Every word you have said is on point and resonates with the post is what I feel. Because that's the lens I looked at the whole thing. Its not about who watches what, how and when.. but the section if you that's the basis of this post said rural viewers resonate with the show and I had a counter view.. So I got into this and shared what I found.

No where an attempt has been made to teach who should do what and how. Who are we do that.

And another point I mentioned is how we people here on this forum are ready to fight on TRP and then end up generalising stuff just based on our assumptions and this is a fact.. for you.. for me. for a lot of is here.. Bas this post is about that.. about some facts I found and shared..

Originally posted by: Enchanteur

Reminds me of

Judgmental hai kia 🤣

The movie??? haven't seen it yet.. you could say the actual word you may have intended if you did.. but how was the movie? Watchable?

Originally posted by: Enchanteur

Hattss off to your time and energy for this show 😆

How did you manage

Counter posting isnt allowed.

P.S your post looks like a direct personal attack on a member.

No not just this show.. but also many other categories like sports, kids programs. there is this 70 something page PDF file on ITV viewership for 2018 data.. interesting it is.. I'd be happy to PM if you would like to read it and have enough time like me to kill..:)

Thanks for saying looks like a personal attack.. because its not.. rather I am happy I came across that post and got to know there channel named Dangal too.. I had noo idea..

Looks like means it looks to you and I am sorry if it did..

Aww Sunshine, excellent research .. Mujhe indian TRP and viewers kay bare mai utna deeply pata nei .. still now jitna mai apne life ki ITV shows dekhi hu , kzk2 is the first show jahape ake mujhe TRP , viewers , effect , side effect , Serial mai fan war iss level pe ho sakte hai ( i thought only biggboss and BW celeb ko lekei sab fight karte hai , but idhar ake jana character kay liye bhi fight ho sakte hai , and mai haste haste karti bhi hu sabke sath ) .. toh mai itne details toh nei bol payungi ...

but mujhe jitna mehesus hua iss show pe ake... ... Internet ki jamane ane ke bad bhi log aj bhi TV ko priority dete hai . no matter what show mai keya hai aur keya nei .. prime time pe urban TRP aunties jab free hote hai unko kuch bhi dalo , they will watch , agar ismai masala , dhrim tananana , FL ka ronadhona whatever kuch bhi dalo , sas bahu saga dalo they will watch it ... but iyeahi show mai agar masala ki kami ho TRP gir jayenge no matter what kaunsi actor keya perform kar rahe hai .. idhar story kabhi bhi prior nei hai ... isiliye show ka TRP is hartak up down hote hai , KZK2 is the biggest example... ab supernatural show , iyea shows har taraki log dekhte hai , bacche- oldies, aunties even uncles bhi .. it is like sare family milke koi show dekhna, jiske bajase is taraki show itna hit hote hai TV mai ...

toh ismai tum kabhi bhi story kaise hai , kahani keya hai , kis hartak iyea garbage hai iyea koi nei dekhne wale.. logoko time pass karani hai , thode time kay entertain chiye toh remote kholke beithe hai .. agar accha nei lage toh they will leave it , koi dusre show mai chale jayenge... no one can detect which shows , what will give u entertainment.. like mujhe dekho after bajaj , mai abhi bi iyea show ko follow karti hu , shahed us tarase nei , but yah i am ... cos i am liking somehow aamna, as her past fan .. n she is doing absolutely amazing works.. toh uska scene mujhe entertain karte hai kahi na kahi .. so no one can predict kab kisko keya acche lag jate hai ...

aur Online Fans, they dont need story , dont need anything ... idhar apne fab celeb ko dalo .. uska face screen pe kafi hai .. unka ss lenge, gifs, caps iyea sab dalenge, show mai kuch na hote huye bhi ek dusre se larenge .. likes RT, appreciations, celeb ka acting 0 level key bhi ho , uska praise karenge .. that's it .. but jab fab nei , show nei ,.. iyeahi hote hai and ho rahe hai . max time ....somehow mai bhi uss zone ati hu ... ... isiliye dekhna aise kayi sare shows hai jiska online bohot jeyada hai TRP, but brac ekdam less..

rural ka mujhe pata nei , udhar ka mahal kaise hai inn show kay mamle pe .. India mai .so dont know..

Originally posted by: writ_in_water

All this is well but I don't think the original post meant rural to be taken so literally. Rural includes semi urban and small town population too just like statistics, like the ones you have posted, however admirable do not tell the whole story. There are pockets of "rural" in the most urban of places. Take the original post in the spirit it is meant to be taken in and do not split hairs about urban and rural ..we know how urban some of our cities are where honour killings happen in broad daylight...so it is not about urban rural as much as it is about mindsets which can exist in Haryana Tamil Nadu or Canada.

The original post is talking essentially about making value judgements about people's viewing choices and that really is the crux.

Hello Writ_in_Water.. agree with how you have explained the rural..

I don't know made you feel, that I had or have any intentions to dispute any of this.. but post gave me a thought and I did a bit of reading and posted my findings like many here find posts related to show be it from Insta, Twitter, etc and share. I rather appreciated the fact that such a post was made that intrigued me not to just read about KZK but many other things too.. I couldn't share it all and kept it relevant to KZK. I didn't make my numbers or anything..

Thank you for your participation! appreciate your time!

Originally posted by: RollingStones

EXACTLY !!!

Urban population too have Rural population ....and in no why you, me or even booky's post (post whom TM has quoted) is trying to look down upon Rural Audience ....

These people are infact BEST .... they just do their hardwork and find means of entertainment in tv , unlike online viewers who find entertainment in analyzing or discussing or even pulling down others through silly random online wars.

@bold- Show gaya side pe..You won my heart with these words..🤗 I have spent a lot of time with them.. They are simple and so welcoming yaar… I mean I sometimes get tears when I think about my experiences.. They have taught me so much.. how to stay grounded and humble as much possible..

Originally posted by: hope4u

Apologies for quoting you out of turn but the post in no way made any generalization. All the poster said was that while things such as gender equality and feminism are issues that we, the so called privileged class concern ourselves with, these concepts are not a reality for a lot of people:rural, underprivileged, poor etc. Such people may resonate more with a character like prerna. She has not said that rural people watch this show more than urban. That would've warranted all this data had that been the claim. It is not!

Don't apologise please .. quote me from wherever you want.. It is not about who watched more..

.. but that did intrigue me to know if KZK is really watched by Rural people, because they have different lifestyle, challenges and some beliefs too. I did feel that lot of things may not resonate with them and later data did clarify.. that's it. her post just became the catalyst for me to get into this.. I was curious and later I shared my findings.. I am sure it will help us know that who are the biggest contributors to the show, if anyone is interested like I was :).. Next time may be we'll have a better discussion with some facts by our sides, if we end up with similar topic in future.. I feel so...

Thank you hope for engaging in this discussion.

Originally posted by: opsora2090

Aww Sunshine, excellent research .. Mujhe indian TRP and viewers kay bare mai utna deeply pata nei .. still now jitna mai apne life ki ITV shows dekhi hu , kzk2 is the first show jahape ake mujhe TRP , viewers , effect , side effect , Serial mai fan war iss level pe ho sakte hai ( i thought only biggboss and BW celeb ko lekei sab fight karte hai , but idhar ake jana character kay liye bhi fight ho sakte hai , and mai haste haste karti bhi hu sabke sath ) .. toh mai itne details toh nei bol payungi ...

but mujhe jitna mehesus hua iss show pe ake... ... Internet ki jamane ane ke bad bhi log aj bhi TV ko priority dete hai . no matter what show mai keya hai aur keya nei .. prime time pe urban TRP aunties jab free hote hai unko kuch bhi dalo , they will watch , agar ismai masala , dhrim tananana , FL ka ronadhona whatever kuch bhi dalo , sas bahu saga dalo they will watch it ... but iyeahi show mai agar masala ki kami ho TRP gir jayenge no matter what kaunsi actor keya perform kar rahe hai .. idhar story kabhi bhi prior nei hai ... isiliye show ka TRP is hartak up down hote hai , KZK2 is the biggest example... ab supernatural show , iyea shows har taraki log dekhte hai , bacche- oldies, aunties even uncles bhi .. it is like sare family milke koi show dekhna, jiske bajase is taraki show itna hit hote hai TV mai ...

toh ismai tum kabhi bhi story kaise hai , kahani keya hai , kis hartak iyea garbage hai iyea koi nei dekhne wale.. logoko time pass karani hai , thode time kay entertain chiye toh remote kholke beithe hai .. agar accha nei lage toh they will leave it , koi dusre show mai chale jayenge... no one can detect which shows , what will give u entertainment.. like mujhe dekho after bajaj , mai abhi bi iyea show ko follow karti hu , shahed us tarase nei , but yah i am ... cos i am liking somehow aamna, as her past fan .. n she is doing absolutely amazing works.. toh uska scene mujhe entertain karte hai kahi na kahi .. so no one can predict kab kisko keya acche lag jate hai ...

aur Online Fans, they dont need story , dont need anything ... idhar apne fab celeb ko dalo .. uska face screen pe kafi hai .. unka ss lenge, gifs, caps iyea sab dalenge, show mai kuch na hote huye bhi ek dusre se larenge .. likes RT, appreciations, celeb ka acting 0 level key bhi ho , uska praise karenge .. that's it .. but jab fab nei , show nei ,.. iyeahi hote hai and ho rahe hai . max time ....somehow mai bhi uss zone ati hu ... ... isiliye dekhna aise kayi sare shows hai jiska online bohot jeyada hai TRP, but brac ekdam less..

rural ka mujhe pata nei , udhar ka mahal kaise hai inn show kay mamle pe .. India mai .so dont know..

OPPO I remember how many efforts you made to explain basic funda of TRP.. samjha but ye nhi pata chala ki ye log sample size or ratings nikalte kaise hai.. its a mystery till date.. This is my first time too with fandoms and wars if we take the liberty to call it so.. and ye bhi alag experience hai.. You can learn to be patient and learn you breaking points if some positive is to be pointed out of all this..

And jaha tak TRP and story ka baat hai.. I also came across another article where it clearly says that TRPs have been effecting story line in a manner that leaves little for the viewers. Most of the channels even have their own issues with sample sizes and data collection procedures. but jo hai wo hai, jab tak koi aur system nahi ata.. Poor Doordarshan jaisa channels ki to waat lag jati hai .. but they have viewers in the remotest of the areas so shayad compensate ho jata hai… warna unka revenue earning to gaya tha.

Abhi sab moh maya hai.. and viewers are losing on good content..