Aug 20 : Shazaan scene ❤️ + Senseless episode - Page 2

Originally posted by: The_May_Rose

I do not know the rules for multiple marriages but I have read of marriage to a widow. The show is misusing religion, love and relationships to show polygamy, if not promoting it.

@ Bold - Precisely, they showing this as Shayra's fault, even though Azaan loves her unconditionally. No wife could leave a husband like Azaan or the family he gave her. I hope they do not ruin Shayra to justify this track...

I tried understanding Shaira, we saw Azaan and Razia berating Noor but all Shaira knows is that Azaan tried to pacify Noor, to make her understand that she should not commit suicide, he failed and both Azaan-Noor were going towards a cliff to die, so she has no chance of stopping Noor from committing suicide because Azaan was her only option and it did not work, in turn she was about to see him die. This is the only explanation for Shaira's adamant nature right now.

Even I hope that they do not ruin Shaira and Azaan

Originally posted by: fria319

Bear with me while I try to explain this. Sorry in advance for the long post lol:

It depends on which sect of Islam the person follows, I've seen people say different things. From my knowledge, generally, there are no real rules to it. Some people believe that the husband must ask for permission from his first wife, but most others do not. However, the first wife can file for divorce if she's not happy with his decision - and it's an accepted cause for divorce or if the 2nd marriage was hidden from her and she find out later, also cause for divorce. Or the second wife can do the same if he never disclosed that he was married already.

Also, a nikkah is really a marriage contract, thats what the term means (I have no idea what is the elan-e-nikkah the show is talking about. I've never once heard that in my life but I'm also not Indian and marriage in Islam is a very cultural thing, different cultures have different names for things). A wife can stipulate, as a part of her conditions to marry, that he can't ever take other wives. But I don't think Shaira did that lol. If she did, the whole story would be over. 🤣

The only major condition for which the husband is responsible for is equal and fair treatment of all wives. While it's natural for him to have more emotional attachments to one vs another. Equal treatment really means equal time spent with them, equal care, etc, otherwise he's committing injustice and that's not allowed / is sinful. This is why most men in this day and age don't have multiple wives. It's a lot of burden and responsibility, that Muslims believe that we must answer to God about & because of that, most men are scared of it. Having one marriage is hard enough for most people, the idea of having to deal with another wife scares most men nowadays 🤣🤣.

One of the justifications of polygamy is to provide care and stability for the other unmarried women of society. This is why it is encouraged for Muslim men to marry widows, single mothers, divorced women, slightly older women too, since these women are often neglected in society and are left to fend for themselves. (i'm not going to get into a discussion of modern day feminism and the ability women have now to care for themselves, etc, I'm just explaining the reasoning/justification of why polygamy is allowed). But there is no such requirement to do so. The guy's second wife does not need to be of anyone in this category if he doesn't want her to be.

Polygamy, or the allowance of it in a religion, is a hard pill for people to swallow. Not many people understand why people would do it. Which is fair enough, most Muslim women I know abhor the idea of polygamy too. And most men don't like the idea and are scared of the serious responsibility it actually entails.

I think everyone has to come to terms with the fact that as Muslim characters, and they're allowed to do this. It's not really a promotion of anything because in Islam it isn't considered morally wrong to have more than one wife. Whether the audience likes the reasons behind it or not is a different story. I'm Muslim and I generally dislike polygamy story lines (seen enough of them in Pakistani dramas.. -_-) unless I already know the husband will only end up with one of the wives or if the need to marry was justified IMO.

I also think everyone would have accepted the polygamy if it was done out of a real need to protect Noor (i.e. from Khalid). The way its being done now - there's just no need for it other than to fulfill Noor's (and basically now Shaira's ...) stubborn wishes and to have a plot of one man, two wives. Even then. If the writers just wanted to have a story about one man, two wives, why not make the reasons for polygamy a lot more justified to the viewers???? I assume most of the viewers are non-Muslim, so they would probably have a hard time accepting polygamy in general. Heck, like I said before, most Muslims don't like it either. Why would they think what they are showing is going to gain sympathy and understanding from the audience???

In 2019, no one really likes the guy who marries the second wife just because he wanted to. When I say most Muslims don't want to practice polygamy / are weirded out by it - I'm not lying lolol. The writers think they're justifying the second marriage to the audience so the audience doesn't freak out over a polygamist storyline. But I think they've done quite the opposite. 🤣🤣🤣

But, anyway, technically Azaan doesn't need a justified reason to marry Noor, he can do so for whatever reason he wants. It's up to Shaira to decide if she wants to stick around to that. And if he does marry Noor, all his threats he made to Noor about not giving her any haq etc., is Islamically wrong. She's entitled to everything Shaira is entitled to, even if he has more of love for Shaira. But as a human, I totally get where he's coming from. And I think Sharia is stupid for forcing this on him as if she's still being threatened by Noor - everybody's caught up on Noor's schemes. What else is Sharia scared of?

Azaan has no desire to marry Noor, and is only doing so because his wife asked him to. Is that a good enough reason from an Islamic perspective, yes - if he can provide equal haq to both. Is it a good enough reason in reality and what the promo promised? No. LOL.

So Azaan has to perform duty of a husband and if he doesn't, it will be a sin? My take on this is that they should not use God, kismet and symbolism in a show. They have a story, I don't want to believe that God is wasting his time on getting Noor married to Azaan when we have so many problems in the world.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

So Azaan has to perform duty of a husband and if he doesn't, it will be a sin? My take on this is that they should not use God, kismet and symbolism in a show. They have a story, I don't want to believe that God is wasting his time on getting Noor married to Azaan when we have so many problems in the world.

From an objective point of view - Yeah it is a sin, in the sense of that his duty is to take care of both wives. The basis of that is equal treatment for all of them. That's what I meant earlier. Now if a wife/husband is happy to settle for less, or requires less, thats between the husband and that particular wife. And by haq, I didn't mean just intimacy. This is why specific stipulations are often put into nikkah agreements, especially when it's a second marriage. If they come to an agreement, as long as both fulfill that agreement, it's ok. I hope that makes more sense.

But let's be real, would Noor agree to such a marriage? lol. NOPE. She wants the real deal, and Azaan clearly does not. Can he put those stipulations into a nikkah agreement? Yes. Are the writers going to do that? No.

The issue of this show is that they are using God, kismet, symbolism, as a driving force for their story, but the actual religion of these characters doesn't align with any of that. We don't believe in symbolism (I've spoken about this before - with the whole dupatta BS). Destiny and kismet are a thing, but let's be real, people's lives aren't like this. The bloody fingerprint, Noor saying kabul at the same time, Azaan's name on Noor's henna, its all contrived tv BS.

But at the end it's just a tv show right? They're not actually going to follow how real Muslims live and make decisions because it wouldn't fit into their narrative and the story that they want to tell. I do think Ishq SubhanAllah, from what I remember, does a better, more well-rounded job at this - mixing the character's religious identities into the story in a way that makes sense.

i know the religion have been misused in the story if Azaan does not say qbool hai then there is not a marriege .they wanted to Noor become the evil she could be shown as Azaan did not accepted her .