My take on Babita's choices

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Posted: 6 years ago
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(long post alert).

.What I believe (contrary to popular opinion here) is that babita made the right decision by leaving HS.

People seem to put more emphasis on the feelings of the heart, and value them more than way of expression. No doubt genuine feelings are important but I believe that the way you express them means equally if not more. The words we choose to describe our feelings and our actions do carry weight.

Out of 3 main characters, Hanuman knows everything about the situation. Minnie is next. Babita has least information.

Hanuman showed two totally different intentions on same day. First he called himself Minnie's father, then he left all stressed, came back late at night and told babita to stop crossing the limit and suggested her that she was the one making move on him ( while all of us know HS was the one who made the move). To me, it sounded like a character assassination. Babita was rightfully hurt. She doesn't understand what suddenly changed him so much.

In a mature relationship, both partners are equal. Hanuman made decision to step out of the relationship all by himself and his way of doing so was anything but mature. Why does the only way of protecting Babita is hurting her repelling her? Think about it. If your love is hurting your beloved instead of making them happy, than there is something wrong with your love. I can't think of any situation where only way of protecting your lover is repelling them by below the belt insult and pointing fingers at character. There's no justification for that. Also the idea that babita and Minnie needs to be protected goes against the idea of empowerment as both have been through worse in the past and yet moved on in their lives. If he really thought of babita as an equal partner then he would have explained his situation and then let her made a decision. All that drama at the night was totally unnecessary.

And his sudden obsession with past memories aren't helping either. He can love babita while admiring imarti, but he can't ( and shouldn't) love both imarti and babita at the same time. I would think of it as a big insult if my partner told me that only person he loved was late wife. If you don't love your current partner to the fullest, why the hell are you in the relationship? Nobody forced you.

And those who are comparing imarti and babita- what a futile comparison. As far as making bold decision is concerned- Imarti speaks, babita acts. Imarti asked Hanuman to give up alcohol and changed his misogynistic views after 2 min long dialogue was highly unrealistic. No habitual alcoholic would give up alcohol that easily. No one gives up on addiction without their own will and even those with strong determination relapse. Imarti also said that she would file complaint against Hanuman if he abuses her in future. Hanuman changes for good. But million dollars question here is what if he had not. What if he had remained the same. You see, easier said than done. We know nothing but positive things about imarti (I am sure there are negative aspect to imarti as well but character is not as well established as babita's) and we know both negative and positive of babita. People are comparing positive side of imarti to negative side of babita. We can only speculate if she would have actually acted on her words had Hanuman not changed his misogynistic thinking and alcohol habit.

Babita on the other hand left a failed marriage knowing that she has little resources and no real support whatsoever without shouting firebrand statements. And her defensive outlook is more out of lack of experience in outer world. Minnie's risk taking behavior is more out of idealistic understanding of the world- which again stems from the inexperience . World is risky. And things would have gotten wrong very easily. Babita's skepticism is not all unjustified. Although it's bit too much, but she has come a long way. If anything she is already pushing her boundaries. She now stands up for herself. She gave Minnie piece of mind when she was hell bent on leaving the haveli instead of bending to pressure. She decided to walk out when Hanuman pointed finger at her character. Abuse under the garb of love and protective nature is abuse nevertheless. At this point Hanuman did turn abusive. Ashok called babita promiscuous in the court- people rightfully called him out Hanuman called her promiscuous and people are asking her to see underlying feeling of love and bashing babita instead of Hanuman.

At this point, Hanuman is the one who is disappointing. Not babita.

These are my opinions. No hate please.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sakurablossom

(long post alert).

.What I believe (contrary to popular opinion here) is that babita made the right decision by leaving HS.

People seem to put more emphasis on the feelings of the heart, and value them more than way of expression. No doubt genuine feelings are important but I believe that the way you express them means equally if not more. The words we choose to describe our feelings and our actions do carry weight.

Out of 3 main characters, Hanuman knows everything about the situation. Minnie is next. Babita has least information.

Hanuman showed two totally different intentions on same day. First he called himself Minnie's father, then he left all stressed, came back late at night and told babita to stop crossing the limit and suggested her that she was the one making move on him ( while all of us know HS was the one who made the move). To me, it sounded like a character assassination. Babita was rightfully hurt. She doesn't understand what suddenly changed him so much.

In a mature relationship, both partners are equal. Hanuman made decision to step out of the relationship all by himself and his way of doing so was anything but mature. Why does the only way of protecting Babita is hurting her repelling her? Think about it. If your love is hurting your beloved instead of making them happy, than there is something wrong with your love. I can't think of any situation where only way of protecting your lover is repelling them by below the belt insult and pointing fingers at character. There's no justification for that. Also the idea that babita and Minnie needs to be protected goes against the idea of empowerment as both have been through worse in the past and yet moved on in their lives. If he really thought of babita as an equal partner then he would have explained his situation and then let her made a decision. All that drama at the night was totally unnecessary.

And his sudden obsession with past memories aren't helping either. He can love babita while admiring imarti, but he can't ( and shouldn't) love both imarti and babita at the same time. I would think of it as a big insult if my partner told me that only person he loved was late wife. If you don't love your current partner to the fullest, why the hell are you in the relationship? Nobody forced you.

And those who are comparing imarti and babita- what a futile comparison. As far as making bold decision is concerned- Imarti speaks, babita acts. Imarti asked Hanuman to give up alcohol and changed his misogynistic views after 2 min long dialogue was highly unrealistic. No habitual alcoholic would give up alcohol that easily. No one gives up on addiction without their own will and even those with strong determination relapse. Imarti also said that she would file complaint against Hanuman if he abuses her in future. Hanuman changes for good. But million dollars question here is what if he had not. What if he had remained the same. You see, easier said than done. We know nothing but positive things about imarti (I am sure there are negative aspect to imarti as well but character is not as well established as babita's) and we know both negative and positive of babita. People are comparing positive side of imarti to negative side of babita. We can only speculate if she would have actually acted on her words had Hanuman not changed his misogynistic thinking and alcohol habit.

Babita on the other hand left a failed marriage knowing that she has little resources and no real support whatsoever without shouting firebrand statements. And her defensive outlook is more out of lack of experience in outer world. Minnie's risk taking behavior is more out of idealistic understanding of the world- which again stems from the inexperience . World is risky. And things would have gotten wrong very easily. Babita's skepticism is not all unjustified. Although it's bit too much, but she has come a long way. If anything she is already pushing her boundaries. She now stands up for herself. She gave Minnie piece of mind when she was hell bent on leaving the haveli instead of bending to pressure. She decided to walk out when Hanuman pointed finger at her character. Abuse under the garb of love and protective nature is abuse nevertheless. At this point Hanuman did turn abusive. Ashok called babita promiscuous in the court- people rightfully called him out Hanuman called her promiscuous and people are asking her to see underlying feeling of love and bashing babita instead of Hanuman.

At this point, Hanuman is the one who is disappointing. Not babita.

These are my opinions. No hate please.

@ Colored Text I truly agree with you on this... this is what has been bothering me too... yes, I have been annoyed with Babita but then there are alot of reasons to that... one being that she usually takes too much time before acting and 'log kya kahenge' has a big role to play in her character. But comparing her to Imarti is a bit too much.

I am sure Imarti has not only given lectures but also must have taken actions and all to change Hanuman's habits BUT I agree that Imarti must have had negatives too, just like Babita does have her positives...

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Posted: 6 years ago
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I personally wouldn't compare Imarti and Babita because there's no point. They are two different people and their equation with HS is also different. They have affected his life in different ways at different points in time.

Totally agree that HS could have used different tactics to ask her to stay away instead of such harsh words. If he didn't want to discuss the case he could have just backed off or ignored her. I have said this a few times myself, so I get where you are coming from.

Also agree that she can leave the haveli for her self-respect after hearing those terrible words. Like Minnie, I would be on her side for doing so. She can either fight with him and make him accept his mistake or choose to go live elsewhere. The fact that she wants to stay at NB's for a few days tells me this is a temporary move and she will come back to the haveli when she has sorted her feelings and decisions out.

What I, and some others, don't accept is her leaving under false pretenses that it's because of his court case and him being accused of killing Imarti. If Babita had felt Minnie and she were in danger being around HS, she could rightfully say so and leave but now she's mixing both things up and making him feel he is guilty of it.

Character assassination is not acceptable, but here we're talking about making HS think that she believes he is guilty in a culpable homicide case. It's fine if she wants to keep the boundaries of tenant-landlord after this. She has every right to. She just needs to make up her mind. Maybe becoming his life partner or marrying him isn't the right option for her. She has to decide, anyway.

Edited by inlieu - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: inlieu

I personally wouldn't compare Imarti and Babita because there's no point. They are two different people and their equation with HS is also different. They have affected his life in different ways at different points in time.

Totally agree that HS could have used different tactics to ask her to stay away instead of such harsh words. If he didn't want to discuss the case he could have just backed off or ignored her. I have said this a few times myself, so I get where you are coming from.

Also agree that she can leave the haveli for her self-respect after hearing those terrible words. Like Minnie, I would be on her side for doing so. She can either fight with him and make him accept his mistake or choose to go live elsewhere. The fact that she wants to stay at NB's for a few days tells me this is a temporary move and she will come back to the haveli when she has sorted her feelings and decisions out.

What I, and some others, don't accept is her leaving under false pretenses that it's because of his court case and him being accused of killing Imarti. If Babita had felt Minnie and she were in danger being around HS, she could rightfully say so and leave but now she's mixing both things up and making him feel he is guilty of it.

Character assassination is not acceptable, but here we're talking about making HS think that she believes he is guilty in a culpable homicide case. It's fine if she wants to keep the boundaries of tenant-landlord after this. She has every right to. She just needs to make up her mind. Maybe becoming his life partner or marrying him isn't the right option for her. She has to decide, anyway.

I too don't like how she doesn't communicate openly. A lot of problem would have been solved if only both Hanuman and babita spoke honestly. Or at least stopped lying to each other. It's really immature for couple of that age to behave that way.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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I forgot to mention one thing: by accusing him or showing him that she believes he is guilty she has also assassinated his character. They have both lost points.

As for HS' words, they were very harsh and good have been avoided, or chosen differently but I do not think he was trying to imply that she was cheap or promiscuous at all. Just that she was overstepping her boundaries and ignoring her responsibilities towards Minnie by obsessing over a man who was a stranger to her. Again, if he didn't want to discuss anything with her he could have ignored her or if was concerned for Minnie's wellbeing he could have explained the situation to Babita as a coparent and solved it differently. Ugh, par humein to drama chahiye.

Yes, HS has been afflicted by Babita's illness in this instance of not communicating properly. I understand his reservation and also that he is disturbed by the situation and is making major mistakes. The only good thing is that we see he is not perfect and too good to be true.

Looks like Minnie is the only sensible one around while her parents are not behaving as they should.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: inlieu

I forgot to mention one thing: by accusing him or showing him that she believes he is guilty she has also assassinated his character. They have both lost points.

As for HS' words, they were very harsh and good have been avoided, or chosen differently but I do not think he was trying to imply that she was cheap or promiscuous at all. Just that she was overstepping her boundaries and ignoring her responsibilities towards Minnie by obsessing over a man who was a stranger to her. Again, if he didn't want to discuss anything with her he could have ignored her or if was concerned for Minnie's wellbeing he could have explained the situation to Babita as a coparent and solved it differently. Ugh, par humein to drama chahiye.

Yes, HS has been afflicted by Babita's illness in this instance of not communicating properly. I understand his reservation and also that he is disturbed by the situation and is making major mistakes. The only good thing is that we see he is not perfect and too good to be true.

Looks like Minnie is the only sensible one around while her parents are not behaving as they should.

Looks like you forgot the Minnie monologue when she saw her mother packing, Babita is packing not because she believes that Hanuman is guilty (Hanuman himself said that he is) she was looking for a excuse to go away from Hanuman's life after the previous night humiliation, Hanuman hit her where it hurts most a woman's character assassination.

Babita is human after all remember the way Minnie reacted when she came to know hanuman uncle loves her babes, all those tantrums, everyone reacts differently when they come across news like this, Babita reacted as she supposes to react otherwise how this serial moves further.

No parents are perfect so are Minnie's parents

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Posted: 6 years ago
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As you all are saying repeatedly that HS understand both Babita and Minni very well he knew how would they react, then this time too he must be understanding why Babita left haveli, the real reason behind her action. He must be understanding that Babita is extremely hurt and she is just making excuses just to stay away from him. When Biji and Papaji asked why she wants to stay at Naeem Bi's place she again made an excuse of the court case, as she can't tell them the real reason paraya mard, control nhi hota, maryada and all that stuff. The main reason of leaving haveli is obviously the humiliation we all know. She is just hiding behind the excuse of court case. I strongly agree that she needs to be vocal, she needs to communicate. I guess when she will realise that At this time being with HS and giving him support is more important than her self respect and her feelings, she will come back to haveli.

Edited by Peace_Seeker - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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"If you can't love your current partner to the fullest then why the hell are you in the relationship. nobady forced you".ditto on the lines.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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I think we have gone on ad nauseum on this topic and our opinions differ. So be it.

Our stand on Babita stems not from just this incident but from several such incidents when she has backtracked.It has now reached a stage where it's frustrating beyond limits.

Even when Minnie confronts her and tells her the real reason of her leaving, she doesn't react, she doesn't accept that Minnie is right. She does what she does best, i.e. avoid. Avoid addressing issues, avoid taking a stand, avoid admitting she has feelings and so on and so forth. And not once but many times, Babita openly states that she is leaving because of HS being accused of culpable murder!

So if you guys are trying to get into Babita's mind to justify her, why not get into HS's mind and understand why he said all those harsh uncalled for things and why did he display the most uncharacteristic behaviour on his part?

This is what Minnie did, try to get into their minds.

HS has always been portrayed as a gruff, unpolished, protective person and we know his intentions because he did beg forgiveness from Bajrangbali, we do not know Babita's, we only know her stated intentions and that's what has hurt us deeply because we feel that her prevarication, not facing things squarely and avoiding tactics especially in this matter when it's important to show solidarity with the one you supposedly love and who has always stood by you at all times, has crossed all limits now!

Do you remember how HS reacted to Babitas character assassination when he got Minnie the camera? That was so cool! He doesn't let ego come into the picture. She always always always does.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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I totally agree with padma. My problem is not that she decided to leave. It is her right as he pushed her away with below the belt remark. But reasons she is giving is wrong. Sometimes u need to understand person is trying to push u away. I am just saying she needs to stand by him now once it is resolved she has every right to question him even leave him.

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