Why do TV actors fail on big screen? - Page 6

Originally posted by: Luna46

Sushant failed in getting hit films. That's what failure I guess we were talking about. Sushant was brought into discussion because he was a tv actor. You didn't quote or talk about Ayushmann or Mrunal in your original post so don't know what discussion you are talking about.

Anyway, my main argument was against your claim of sushant not failing in Bollywood because of being overexposed, when Sushant is not the right example for that in the first place.

The term "overexposure" is used as in overexposure to the audience I suppose. Otherwise to whom is an actor going to be overexposed or underexposed or regular exposed? That's where box office comes into play. There is no way of knowing how much is an actor loved by audience other than box office. And in that case Sushant has failed. No one is asking Sushant to give blockbusters like khans, but atleast have the box office pull like his contemporaries. Don't compare Irrfan of Manoj Bajpayee to Sushant. Sushant is a mainstream actor. He does commercial films so his success and failure will be judged according to box office.

If the meaning of success according to you is getting A-list projects or being a good actor or sustaining in Bollywood then fine. I agree that Sushant has done much better in that criteria compared to other TV actors. But that has nothing to do with getting overexposed(which was the main point I was addressing). There are many flop good actors in Bollywood sustaining for years, both star kids and outsiders.

You can't credit everything to nepotism for star kids success. There are many star kids who have failed over the years. Promotions are not enough to get 20 crore+ opening. The lead actor has to have some star power to warrant a bumper opening. Especially in India, where a film is still on the shoulders of the lead actor. And no, box office collections can't be manipulated so easily. Hrithik being a star kid was exposed of manipulating box office collections for his films. Critic reviews hardly matter for audience. PR is used by every star, not just star kids. While I'm not disagreeing that star kids have it way easy than outsiders, but rules of box office are not going to change based on who got it easy or not. Whether it's by getting all the best projects or nepotism, Sushant is not on the same league of Varun or Tiger. Infact, they have less flops than Sushant in their filmography.

Our feelings are mutual. For how many posts are we arguing that you are tired of it going on and on?

Sushant hasn't done enough films to be labelled as flop actor. He has had his fair share of hits. The point is he is a known name in the industry and is getting big banner films with good directors. Who is ahead or below will be determined in future by longevity of their career.

Originally posted by: ninny

Sushant hasn't done enough films to be labelled as flop actor. He has had his fair share of hits. The point is he is a known name in the industry and is getting big banner films with good directors. Who is ahead or below will be determined in future by longevity of their career.

Agreed. Sushant cannot be written off. He is very much credible and is getting movies with all the A-listed actresses as opposite to some of the other TV stars who appeared with no leading heroines. Obviously, I know, this is not the criteria to judge but it still matters. Besides, he is doing movies as a lead actor and not as a main hero ka bhai or a villian. He did utilize the opportunities and I think he has a good sense of scripts than his fellow TV contemporaries.

TV stars cater to a different set of an audience, the families where remote control lies in the hands of women of those home, the women who are termed as TRP aunties (not trying to sound derogatory, just using the popular term).

However, movies are meant for diverse demography, which is as heterogeneous as it gets. For a movie or an actor to be hit, they have to appeal to and accepted by a diverse mix of audience.

tv fans give me vibes of Bangladeshi cricket fans. Kuch nahi kiya aaj tak but akkadd aisI ki unke favs ne Oscar jita ho lol.

In India the hierarchy between tv n films is very drastic. In Hollywood it's not that drastic n people make swift transfers from tv to find n film to tv. Not to mention, these day I Dian tv shows r so utterly ridiculous, the totally nonsense scenes n at times very problematic scenes that glorify misogyny, even rape of both genders r enacted by the actors. As a result public specially Curren generation kind of have lost respect for them

Originally posted by: Charaiveti

In India the hierarchy between tv n films is very drastic. In Hollywood it's not that drastic n people make swift transfers from tv to find n film to tv. Not to mention, these day I Dian tv shows r so utterly ridiculous, the totally nonsense scenes n at times very problematic scenes that glorify misogyny, even rape of both genders r enacted by the actors. As a result public specially Curren generation kind of have lost respect for them

I also feel that the Indian serials are mostly watched by the women, I mean mommies if the house, I have not seen many gents watching them. Besides, I don't know how many youngsters watch Kundali bhagya or kumkum bhagya or yeh rishta kya kahlata hai and others. So yeah, tv serials are made as per the audience they cater. Obviously, Bahubali wouldn't have worked if it was made as a Hindi serial. We all know what happened to Porus, which was from the same franchise. TV audience is yet to embrace such shows. And again as I mentioned above, TV audience mostly comprises of ladies who watch these saas bahu dramas, so they are kind of used to such rotten stories. No matter on what note a serial starts on Indian TV, by the end of few months, it turns into same same crappy stuff. Sab shows ki story ek hi line pe pahunch jati hai after some time. All are airing same story but with different leads.

OT, I was actually talking about TV actors and not TV serials. There are many talented actors inspire of how crappy serials they work in but somehow they don't make as big as on TV. If we leave aside his personal life, I actually think KSG is a good actor. He emotes well. I'm not a fan but I particularly liked him in DMG and QH yet he failed on big screen.

No big budget studios to produce and promote, no mainstream roles with hit songs.

Originally posted by: DelusionalMe

I also feel that the Indian serials are mostly watched by the women, I mean mommies if the house, I have not seen many gents watching them. Besides, I don't know how many youngsters watch Kundali bhagya or kumkum bhagya or yeh rishta kya kahlata hai and others. So yeah, tv serials are made as per the audience they cater. Obviously, Bahubali wouldn't have worked if it was made as a Hindi serial. We all know what happened to Porus, which was from the same franchise. TV audience is yet to embrace such shows. And again as I mentioned above, TV audience mostly comprises of ladies who watch these saas bahu dramas, so they are kind of used to such rotten stories. No matter on what note a serial starts on Indian TV, by the end of few months, it turns into same same crappy stuff. Sab shows ki story ek hi line pe pahunch jati hai after some time. All are airing same story but with different leads.

OT, I was actually talking about TV actors and not TV serials. There are many talented actors inspire of how crappy serials they work in but somehow they don't make as big as on TV. If we leave aside his personal life, I actually think KSG is a good actor. He emotes well. I'm not a fan but I particularly liked him in DMG and QH yet he failed on big screen.

But yes midday slots r mostly seen by middleaged women. I won't Shame that demographics, I blv they'd watch better content if the whole tv goes through arevamp. Shows in 90s were so progressive n good n this same demographic watched n loved it

Originally posted by: ninny

Sushant hasn't done enough films to be labelled as flop actor. He has had his fair share of hits. The point is he is a known name in the industry and is getting big banner films with good directors. Who is ahead or below will be determined in future by longevity of their career.

While I'm not labelling Sushant as a "flop" actor, he's not a hit actor either. I called him failed because his career graph box office wise has not impressive, and by this age he should've got a sizeable fan-following. His flops are still more than his hits. He doesn't have enough hits either. Only SDR is a hit in his filmography. No big hits either. MSD and PK don't count. Even Kedarnath wasn't a clean hit.

Of course there is a chance of comeback, but we can't see future, only the past and present. And there's no denying that he has sustained and has got films with big directors or producers, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by: Luna46

While I'm not labelling Sushant as a "flop" actor, he's not a hit actor either. I called him failed because his career graph box office wise has not impressive, and by this age he should've got a sizeable fan-following. His flops are still more than his hits. He doesn't have enough hits either. Only SDR is a hit in his filmography. No big hits either. MSD and PK don't count. Even Kedarnath wasn't a clean hit.

Of course there is a chance of comeback, but we can't see future, only the past and present. And there's no denying that he has sustained and has got films with big directors or producers, but that's not what I'm talking about.

If he is getting good work and being appreciated for it then how is he a failed actor? Box office doesn't depends on star power alone (especially for new generation). However I won't deny that he doesn't have that crazy fan following like varun or tiger, he never had that kinda fan following even on TV despite being the highest paid tv actor of his time when likes of KSG,Barun and Gurmeet were considered superstars of TV and had bigger fandom. But this only proves fangirls is not equal to success.He may not be a superstar but he definitely is a successful actor.