Kabir Singh - Reviews & Box Office Thread - Page 21

Originally posted by: pathaka

^^ I understand love is usually seen as a positive emotion so showing an asshole in love can be conflicting..

But he can just be an asshole in love....and his love story can be an effed up one..

The film starts off with him looking around for sex like a despo and doing despicable things...he spends most of the film being an asshole and also being called one.....he pees his pants as the interval shot...clearly the film isn’t interested in him being liked...or relatable...it’s just an interesting take on how effed up love stories and people can actually be

In no circumstance, such behavior is okay. If this had been a girl, the end of the film would have her dead. At-least, that's how it rolls with very gray female characters. It's okay to show arsehole and gray characters, and they are interesting to watch on the screen as character study as there are such people in reality, but to show that their actions are somehow okay is not right. It is not about the unsaid, it is rather about how the filmmaker presents it. If Kabir had been alone in the end and had some kind of tragic end, that would have signaled, hey, this type of behavior is not okay, here are the consequences, but when you give some kind of hodgy podgy redemption arc, it justifies all that toxic masculinity and makes that behavior seem acceptable. As you are essentially saying, behave as badly as you want, in the end, nothing is going to happen to you courtesy of you being a male and you are going to keep getting chances to get it right despite your extremely shitty actions. That is NOT the right message to pass on to the youth in this today's india where rape is such a big problem. There should be no dubious scenes of consent or any mental or physical abuse unchecked, as it normalizes such actions, especially when it seems to ape the reality so closely.

Originally posted by: springkissed

Haven't watched ADHM, nor the white-washed glorification of "sanju," and I understand your point about hypocrisy of the critics, which in many instances is undeniably present. But from what all I'm hearing, there seems to be no redeeming point in this movie. Asking a woman to undress at a knife point, the very blurry and dubious skip over consent, kissing a girl right after first talking to her, slapping her, and the list just ridiculously seems to go on. I'm not a voracious movie watcher, thus I don't know about the latter two foreign movies you pointed out, but at least in godfather's case, though it can be called misogynist to an extent, that misogyny is not the main focus of the film, it is a more of an aftermath of that world. Yet, this is marketed as a love story. The supposive "love" is the core focus and that's where the real issue is, this is not love, it is an asshole in the name of a hero whose actions are being glorified and a meek female who takes all the crap given to her it seems. As a female, it is shocking that such characters can be accepted or even celebrated by the masses.

That knife scene was a comic moment though, not something serious moment.

See Kabir Singh was an asshole and a person who was problematic to the core, but people don't see plot points like Preeti was smitten by him from the first look, yes him kissing her on her cheeks on second meeting was a balant of toxic masculinity telling everyone she is mine, but it wasn't like Kambakth Ishq type forceful kiss. People seem to ignore that Preeti was also very demanding and stubborn with Kabir, she was exactly like him bar the violence.

People talk about Kabir hitting Preeti during that breakdown of him, but don't talk about Preeti slapping him when she was being unreasonable, and he said jokingly he will die, obviously she cannot slap as hard as him, but she did slap him, while she was the one who was being unreasonable and childish. And no I am not saying Kabir's slapping is justified because she also slapped him, but that these two people had certain features in their relationship.

Preeti was as much into him as he was into her, that she used to bunk classes to be with him, to go and meet him to his new practice school in UttaraKhand from Delhi. She used to demand him to kiss her, to be with her.

See the thing, Preeti and Kabir were same type of people, selfish, self harming and stubborn with rebel like attitude, just that Kabir had vices, Preeti didn't. She was as addicted towards him, as was she.

I don't get from where people got this narrative that Preeti was just a puppet, when the girl after loosing all ties with him, getting married forcibly by her parents, still left her husband and started living alone waiting for Kabir while being pregnant with his kid. Was her love for that asshole stupid?? Yes.

But was it because Kabir forced her to?? No. Even after being forcibly married with someone else, she didn't gave up, rather left that guy, so this thing about her being a meek doormat is not an entirely true thing. Yes her being in that hyper relationship with Kabir was stupid, but Preeti wasn't a girl who did it because she was forced, it was her will. Kabir was the guy who freed her from the traditional and conservative background and made her be what she became at the end, and that was she was just like Kabir, just that she didn't had vices like him.

See the thing is Kabir wasn't just a misogynistic in way that he thought he was superior to women, he was an asshole to everyone including his family and friends, hence by default he was misogynistic. He was beating up men, warning them, terrorising everyone, but does that mean he was a man hater too?? No he was a selfish and self centered stubborn jerk, who didn't saw anything else but him and his desires, hence became everything faulty.

See the thing people talking about people cheering during certain scenes(I didn't saw though in my single screen), is indeed bad and their is some thing wrong in people, but is movies the reason why they are like that?? Or it is their family and environment?? Questions like this don't have their answer with pin pointing one movie.

Originally posted by: Thug-Leader

That knife scene was a comic moment though, not something serious moment.

See Kabir Singh was an asshole and a person who was problematic to the core, but people don't see plot points like Preeti was smitten by him from the first look, yes him kissing her on her cheeks on second meeting was a balant of toxic masculinity telling everyone she is mine, but it wasn't like Kambakth Ishq type forceful kiss. People seem to ignore that Preeti was also very demanding and stubborn with Kabir, she was exactly like him bar the violence.

People talk about Kabir hitting Preeti during that breakdown of him, but don't talk about Preeti slapping him when she was being unreasonable, and he said jokingly he will die, obviously she cannot slap as hard as him, but she did slap him, while she was the one who was being unreasonable and childish. And no I am not saying Kabir's slapping is justified because she also slapped him, but that these two people had certain features in their relationship.

Preeti was as much into him as he was into her, that she used to bunk classes to be with him, to go and meet him to his new practice school in UttaraKhand from Delhi. She used to demand him to kiss her, to be with her.

See the thing, Preeti and Kabir were same type of people, selfish, self harming and stubborn with rebel like attitude, just that Kabir had vices, Preeti didn't. She was as addicted towards him, as was she.

I don't get from where people got this narrative that Preeti was just a puppet, when the girl after loosing all ties with him, getting married forcibly by her parents, still left her husband and started living alone waiting for Kabir while being pregnant with his kid. Was her love for that asshole stupid?? Yes.

But was it because Kabir forced her to?? No. Even after being forcibly married with someone else, she didn't gave up, rather left that guy, so this thing about her being a meek doormat is not an entirely true thing. Yes her being in that hyper relationship with Kabir was stupid, but Preeti wasn't a girl who did it because she was forced, it was her will. Kabir was the guy who freed her from the traditional and conservative background and made her be what she became at the end, and that was she was just like Kabir, just that she didn't had vices like him.

See the thing is Kabir wasn't just a misogynistic in way that he thought he was superior to women, he was an asshole to everyone including his family and friends, hence by default he was misogynistic. He was beating up men, warning them, terrorising everyone, but does that mean he was a man hater too?? No he was a selfish and self centered stubborn jerk, who didn't saw anything else but him and his desires, hence became everything faulty.

See the thing people talking about people cheering during certain scenes(I didn't saw though in my single screen), is indeed bad and their is some thing wrong in people, but is movies the reason why they are like that?? Or it is their family and environment?? Questions like this don't have their answer with pin pointing one movie.

It may seem like I'm diluting the movie to a few scenes, when the plot was MUCH more, but I guess I'm. It seems we are looking at it differently, you're looking at a big picture, I'm looking at the small details. To me, those small details are telling as they show certain behaviors that are not acceptable in any circumstance, and the larger picture you are describing makes them seem minuscule in comparison, like a little speck of dust, when to me, they are not. In a love story, you either respect your loved one, or atleast have enough respect to not cross certain boundaries, or that "love" is a farce. And I understand Kabir was an arsehole to everyone, but to normalize his actions and sweep them under the rug in the name of "love" and just being a plain "arsehole" sounds dangerous to me.

This all sounds very preachy, I totally get it. But here's the thing, when you take a male character and make him do all kinds of terrible things, even to his supposed lover, and then let him off with some kind of redemption, you are normalizing the behavior. You're saying this is OKAY! Today one movie does it, tomorrow another, sooner or later, this sort of behavior becomes a normal part of our culture. Movies seep into the consciousness of people, and also vice versa, peoples' deeper consciousness also affect what kind of movies they watch. As I said before, people coming in droves to watch this film reflect the misogynist collective conscious that Indian society holds and I'm not even saying this in an accusatory manner. It is the truth. Because we are not throwing brickbats at such "hero," at such "romantic" hero, we are celebrating him. Thus, somewhere in our minds, we think this behavior is okay, and that our females should be meek and our heroes should display toxic masculinity. It is that possible normalization of such behavior that disturbs me.

Watching it today.

Originally posted by: Thug-Leader

That knife scene was a comic moment though, not something serious moment.

lmao comic moment in what sense ?? for the gal or the boy or the audience...if this is how the scene is perceived...can we blame anyone for hyping such cringe worthy movie..I cringed at each and every scene I saw...and this particular scene was COMEDYYYYY ? what a revelation !!!!🤡

well.

not my fault

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the new website is messed up..double post

Originally posted by: springkissed

In no circumstance, such behavior is okay. If this had been a girl, the end of the film would have her dead. At-least, that's how it rolls with very gray female characters. It's okay to show arsehole and gray characters, and they are interesting to watch on the screen as character study as there are such people in reality, but to show that their actions are somehow okay is not right. It is not about the unsaid, it is rather about how the filmmaker presents it. If Kabir had been alone in the end and had some kind of tragic end, that would have signaled, hey, this type of behavior is not okay, here are the consequences, but when you give some kind of hodgy podgy redemption arc, it justifies all that toxic masculinity and makes that behavior seem acceptable. As you are essentially saying, behave as badly as you want, in the end, nothing is going to happen to you courtesy of you being a male and you are going to keep getting chances to get it right despite your extremely shitty actions. That is NOT the right message to pass on to the youth in this today's india where rape is such a big problem. There should be no dubious scenes of consent or any mental or physical abuse unchecked, as it normalizes such actions, especially when it seems to ape the reality so closely.

When did I say that behaviour is acceptable or ok? He is an asshole and that behaviour cements that fact....the film itself is showing various facets of his and lets you decide...

If it was interested in convincing ppl to feel bad for him, it would have gone the aashiqui 2 way....giving him traits of sacrifice...but he remains an asshole throughout

The redemption (if it is even that) does not make it ok...most definitely....and neither does the film give him a clean chit...he gets the girl in the end but she makes the terrible choice of going back to him (read agency: she makes the choice) ....but he’s still the loser with no career...and she comes off looking much stronger than him coz she dealt with everything he did AND more like pregnancy...and did it all on her own without her career going for a toss.....he had one breakup and turned himself into a loser...she continued with her life much more grAcefully ...his whole concept of masculinity is deflated right there...

Originally posted by: EXOL

lmao comic moment in what sense ?? for the gal or the boy or the audience...if this is how the scene is perceived...can we blame anyone for hyping such cringe worthy movie..I cringed at each and every scene I saw...and this particular scene was COMEDYYYYY ? what a revelation !!!!🤡

Yes it was a comic scene with all the background music and context, since it involved a man and woman having sex behind the back of her lover, and they were unable to open her clothes, so that knife first used as tool used to open her clothes, but later when her boyfriend was at the door she was like not today, and than Kabir looks at knife and than tells her no do it. But than ditches the plan when the music starts playing. It was a comic situation while also showing how far had Kabir grown into lust, just like that ice cubes stuffing in underwear scene. I like how people aren't seeing the whole context of any scene in this movie, taking partial view of every situation according to their own beliefs.