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wayward

@wayward

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Posted: 7 years ago

Erm, this might be a stupid question, and I should probably go through the texts more thoroughly...but I don't understand one thing-

In Bhagavat Geeta, Krishna tells us to do our job and not look for fruits, which, I think, also trikles on to "reap as you sow"...but a predefined destiny kind of overrules the good/bad karma factor?

I'm sorry if this sounds muddled because I'm really fuddled by this concept. 😳

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Mahi

@Mannmohanaa

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Posted: 7 years ago

The predefined destiny in a certain life may depend upon the karma of your previous life.

Karmannaye vadhikaraste, mahaphaleshu kadachana means the objective of karma should not be to gain fruits but ultimately you have to bear consequences of what you do as your karma starts off a cycle which ends on you 😆

This is what I think. :P

And I am not well read of any text so maaf kardena if it's childish :P

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wayward

@wayward

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Posted: 7 years ago

That makes quite some sense...but in that case, why do people go to astrologers and buy all the amulets and gemstones?

If this life is predestined to turn out in a certain, why do people not focus on karma instead of trying to improve their lives with magic?

Also, if destiny governs all our actions (which then yield results), how does independent karma work out?

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Daakshaayani Aadarsh

@PandavPranayini

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Posted: 7 years ago

This one is a deep question. I'll be back to answer. 😛

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Daakshaayani Aadarsh

@PandavPranayini

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Radhikerani
this might be a stupid question

Not at all, Pro! I find this question very interesting. Indeed, we need to explore more on this topic instead of just believing on any one thing.

Destiny is predestined, that's true. But I don't think it is for us human beings. Even if is, it is predestined as to what kind of Karma we perform in the present. God/Vidhi knows the past, the present and the future, so he writes what we deserve in our destiny. According to me, we should not think about destiny on which we have no control over. We should instead think of our actions, our Karma and their consequences. Yes, consequences. Here, consequences doesn't mean fruits. Fruits are something which are beneficial/nonbeneficial, meanwhile consequences can be termed as good and bad to us or anyone else. So, without thinking about those, we should not perform any Karma. At the same time, we should not think of the fruits of the Karma. I think destiny is more applicable when the conversation is between Gods, whereas we should use Karma instead. I hope I understood your question and answered according to it, because I was a bit confused as to what was your question. I got the context that is Karma vs Destiny and wrote what I understood from these concepts. 😳

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Daakshaayani Aadarsh

@PandavPranayini

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Mishti_Dahi
The predefined destiny in a certain life may depend upon the karma of your previous life.
Karmannaye vadhikaraste, mahaphaleshu kadachana means the objective of karma should not be to gain fruits but ultimately you have to bear consequences of what you do as your karma starts off a cycle which ends on you 😆
This is what I think. :P

And I am not well read of any text so maaf kardena if it's childish :P

I think we both said almost the same thing. 😃

But I differ at one point. I don't believe in the previous life's Karma effecting the present life. If that is the case, I think this concept will turn vulnerable. We have no idea whatsoever happened in our previous life, and we don't deserve punishments or happinesses that we get without being conscious of our Karma. If you performed a bad karma in your childhood, and that gets back to you at your nineties, you'll immediately will remember it however amnesiac you are and will feel guilty. I think the concept of Karma is this, to curb our bad qualities. If without knowledge we bear the consequences of Karma, I think that's not fair.

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Daakshaayani Aadarsh

@PandavPranayini

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Radhikerani
That makes quite some sense...but in that case, why do people go to astrologers and buy all the amulets and gemstones?
If this life is predestined to turn out in a certain, why do people not focus on karma instead of trying to improve their lives with magic?

Also, if destiny governs all our actions (which then yield results), how does independent karma work out?

As for the second question, I already addressed it in my previous post.

Coming to the first, I don't believe in these atrologers and amulets. Because whatever they say, never really turned true. Not to every single person atleast. And if it works to one and not to other, I don't think it's valid at all. I also don't believe in this dosh nivaaran pujas and saying that all your sins will wash off by any materialistic puja. Tapas is different. I believe unless you surrender to God with true repentance after realising your sin, it never washes off. Karma is inevitable, except in the sharanagati case. It's beliefs which make people go to magic and I don't blame them, but they have to realise it's not working and leave it.

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mnx12

@mnx12

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Posted: 7 years ago

Life itself is a big magic. Hence people try to find different ways of decoding the magic (karma). Going to Astrologers wearing Gems, is one of the way of trying to get things done when actions in normal course fails.

If this doesnt work people go to the Biggest Magician- God. 😆

It is said, Mani, Mantra & Medicine always works. But to know intensity or required dose

one has to meet knower of those arts. We have institutes to train Docs but other 2 aspects lacks well trained people as the knowledge involved is sacred.

Hence people are left with do your karmas without expecting results. This theory works in long run but one has to have patience & have faith in The Biggest Magician.

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Daakshaayani Aadarsh

@PandavPranayini

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: mnx12
Life itself is a big magic. Hence people try to find different ways of decoding the magic (karma). Going to Astrologers wearing Gems, is one of the way of trying to get things done when actions in normal course fails.
If this doesnt work people go to the Biggest Magician- God. 😆
It is said, Mani, Mantra & Medicine always works. But to know intensity or required dose
one has to meet knower of those arts. We have institutes to train Docs but other 2 aspects lacks well trained people as the knowledge involved is sacred.
Hence people are left with do your karmas without expecting results. This theory works in long run but one has to have patience & have faith in The Biggest Magician.

Agree with you on the biggest magician thing. 😆

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Mahi

@Mannmohanaa

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: PandavPranayini

I think we both said almost the same thing. 😃
But I differ at one point. I don't believe in the previous life's Karma effecting the present life. If that is the case, I think this concept will turn vulnerable. We have no idea whatsoever happened in our previous life, and we don't deserve punishments or happinesses that we get without being conscious of our Karma. If you performed a bad karma in your childhood, and that gets back to you at your nineties, you'll immediately will remember it however amnesiac you are and will feel guilty. I think the concept of Karma is this, to curb our bad qualities. If without knowledge we bear the consequences of Karma, I think that's not fair.

My first line was in context to Gods. Like we see curses and boons through many janamas of Gods and divine beings.

Same, I agree, for humans it's not fair to bear fruits of karma from your past life. Sometime ago my Mom was saying that the birth of a being depends on his past life's karmas but rest depends on what he does in this life of his.

Having that said, I am a firm believer of Karma over destiny.

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