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After watching today's episode I feel neither Salim nor Anarkali ever grew over their childhood phase. Neither of them has even the slightest logic in their thinking.
Salim stayed with Mann Singh for 12 yrs in the war field where Mann Singh was his teacher. Did he not learn about his teacher in all those time. Did he really think that his teacher would take his sister's insult laying down or that his not making Mann as his first wife will be forgotten by him. I mean what did Salim really think. Fine he was thinking of "rebelling" against Akbar in that dargaah, but did he think that Mann Singh would support him in his rebellion. And on top of it all he wants is his parents approval, for them to be proud of him. Did he think that Akbar would be happy that he chose Anarkali as his empress, first wife. Especially after he announced that Mann Bai will be Salim's first wife and empress. Did he think that Akbar would agree to his choice against Amer and Mann Singh. I feel that is very childish of Salim.

Anar is no less than him. She thinks she can taunt Mann and not expect her to react. She mocked Mann for the mehendi fiasco. Then she acted like she is ok with having Mann as Salim's second wife. That if she and Salim married, that will be a secret. I mean does both Jodha and Mann Bai knowing it did not raise any alarms in her. Especially since she had grown in that palace. What was she thinking. After all this she is surprised when Mann tells her that Akbar already knows what was happening in that dargah. And tells Mann that she shouldn't have told about it to Akbar. What was she thinking.

These two still are going by how they were during the childhood. When the kids are small, their doings are forgiven saying "they are children. They will learn when they grow up". But it feels like these two didn't really grow up. They are still stuck in that phase and want the world to continue to accepting them in that phase.

I think when Akbar talked of the "crown", Anar was a little surprised, but I think she was relieved too. I think she thought that she will be killed or something like that. SO when he talked about how she has done which no other servant was able to do and how he wants to reward her loyalty, she failed to grasp it's real meaning. I think she thought that Akbar truly was ok with her and Salim's relationship. And that he wanted to make her as one of the queens of Salim. And that was the crown he was talking about. I don't think she ever thought that Akbar was giving her a completely different type of "crown". But am not entirely sure what she was thinking. I don't think anyone knew what was cooking in his head till he tells that she will become a "rakkasa". . Each of them had their own thoughts and ideas as to what is about to happen and each had a different expectation. I also think that the whole Hakim Mirza being a traitor is incorrect. That was just a ruse by Akbar to get rid of Salim for time being. That scene in the court was really intense and good.

The series is getting really interesting. Am curious to see how the story shapes up.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shaavi

After watching today's episode I feel neither Salim nor Anarkali ever grew over their childhood phase. Neither of them has even the slightest logic in their thinking.

Salim stayed with Mann Singh for 12 yrs in the war field where Mann Singh was his teacher. Did he not learn about his teacher in all those time. Did he really think that his teacher would take his sister's insult laying down or that his not making Mann as his first wife will be forgotten by him. I mean what did Salim really think. Fine he was thinking of "rebelling" against Akbar in that dargaah, but did he think that Mann Singh would support him in his rebellion. And on top of it all he wants is his parents approval, for them to be proud of him. Did he think that Akbar would be happy that he chose Anarkali as his empress, first wife. Especially after he announced that Mann Bai will be Salim's first wife and empress. Did he think that Akbar would agree to his choice against Amer and Mann Singh. I feel that is very childish of Salim.

Anar is no less than him. She thinks she can taunt Mann and not expect her to react. She mocked Mann for the mehendi fiasco. Then she acted like she is ok with having Mann as Salim's second wife. That if she and Salim married, that will be a secret. I mean does both Jodha and Mann Bai knowing it did not raise any alarms in her. Especially since she had grown in that palace. What was she thinking. After all this she is surprised when Mann tells her that Akbar already knows what was happening in that dargah. And tells Mann that she shouldn't have told about it to Akbar. What was she thinking.

These two still are going by how they were during the childhood. When the kids are small, their doings are forgiven saying "they are children. They will learn when they grow up". But it feels like these two didn't really grow up. They are still stuck in that phase and want the world to continue to accepting them in that phase.

I think when Akbar talked of the "crown", Anar was a little surprised, but I think she was relieved too. I think she thought that she will be killed or something like that. SO when he talked about how she has done which no other servant was able to do and how he wants to reward her loyalty, she failed to grasp it's real meaning. I think she thought that Akbar truly was ok with her and Salim's relationship. And that he wanted to make her as one of the queens of Salim. And that was the crown he was talking about. I don't think she ever thought that Akbar was giving her a completely different type of "crown". But am not entirely sure what she was thinking. I don't think anyone knew what was cooking in his head till he tells that she will become a "rakkasa". . Each of them had their own thoughts and ideas as to what is about to happen and each had a different expectation. I also think that the whole Hakim Mirza being a traitor is incorrect. That was just a ruse by Akbar to get rid of Salim for time being. That scene in the court was really intense and good.

The series is getting really interesting. Am curious to see how the story shapes up.


Salim and anar are acting immature and kiddish i agree

But you left out jodha, shes the most immature empress i have seen that too in her 30s and 50s who acts like Jodha was and is behaving

First because salim was sent to war field she went and stood before tiger. Than she stopped speaking to Akbar for 12 years. As soon as Akbar said he called salim back she forgave Akbar and all happy with him. Then when Salim refused to come back she went on hunger strike. Which 50+ year old that too an empress behave so immaturely. When Salim went to war field Jodha must have been atleast 36-38 years old and at that time her behaving as if Akbar did very grave mistake and attemting all blackmail tactics on Akbar looked very kiddish. I think Salim has got this kiddish immature side from Jodha only. Its like Akbar has to father two kids Salim and Jodha to bear with their tantrums every other month.

The third addition to tantrum party is Maan Bai. Shes another angry ziddi kid. I cannot imagine Akbars plight after Salim marries Maan Bai what will happen? Every other day a big fight between both with Salim refusing to do anything she wants and threatening to slap her and Maan Bai putting a knife on his neck 😉😆 and finally Maan Bai will run to Akbar look at Salim hes treating me badly and threatening to hit me and Akbar has to pacify her and pull Salim up. 😲 Both Salim and Maan bai are mirror images of each other they are ziddi angry and get angry very fast and have no maturity to deal any crisis. The only mature man left in house is Akbar and he has to deal with these three pppls tantrums and any mistakes they do resolve them all firefighting left to Akbar.

Like if Salim had married anarkali in josh, amer and maan singh would declare war on agra than will salim go and face war with maan singh. Hes not that mature and great warrior to fight against maan singh and Akbar has to go to face maan singh than to save agra. Again firefighting for Akbar, mess created by Salim and anarkali.

Of course anarkali is not part of his family so Akbar cannot order how she behaves but as emperor every citizen of mughal empire should obey his commands. But here i am thinking of Akbar as head of family and if other members do not co operate and the issuues have to be fire fighted by head of family only usually.


Edited by myviewprem - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Salim and anar are acting immature and kiddish i agree

But you left out jodha, shes the most immature empress i have seen that too in her 30s and 50s who acts like Jodha was and is behaving

First because salim was sent to war field she went and stood before tiger. Than she stopped speaking to Akbar for 12 years. As soon as Akbar said he called salim back she forgave Akbar and all happy with him. Then when Salim refused to come back she went on hunger strike. Which 50+ year old that too an empress behave so immaturely. When Salim went to war field Jodha must have been atleast 36-38 years old and at that time her behaving as if Akbar did very grave mistake and attemting all blackmail tactics on Akbar looked very kiddish. I think Salim has got this kiddish immature side from Jodha only. Its like Akbar has to father two kids Salim and Jodha to bear with their tantrums every other month.

The third addition to tantrum party is Maan Bai. Shes another angry ziddi kid. I cannot imagine Akbars plight after Salim marries Maan Bai what will happen? Every other day a big fight between both with Salim refusing to do anything she wants and threatening to slap her and Maan Bai putting a knife on his neck😉😆and finally Maan Bai will run to Akbar look at Salim hes treating me badly and threatening to hit me and Akbar has to pacify her and pull Salim up.😲Both Salim and Maan bai are mirror images of each other they are ziddi angry and get angry very fast and have no maturity to deal any crisis. The only mature man left in house is Akbar and he has to deal with these three pppls tantrums and any mistakes they do resolve them all firefighting left to Akbar.

Like if Salim had married anarkali in josh, amer and maan singh would declare war on agra than will salim go and face war with maan singh. Hes not that mature and great warrior to fight against maan singh and Akbar has to go to face maan singh than to save agra. Again firefighting for Akbar, mess created by Salim and anarkali.

Of course anarkali is not part of his family so Akbar cannot order how she behaves but as emperor every citizen of mughal empire should obey his commands. But here i am thinking of Akbar as head of family and if other members do not co operate and the issuues have to be fire fighted by head of family only usually.






Jodha doesn't act as a Rajput princess most of the time. Yesterday she knew that Salim was being sent to war. Yet she did not come to him to wish him good luck. I mean she knew he wasn't married. When the son doesn't have a wife yet, didn't the mother's do the tilak and blessing him. How come Jodha forgot that.

From my perspective, she should have come there with Mann Bai and asked Mann to do the tilak. This way Salim would have known what his parents choice is, their expectations is. Why Jodha doesn't want to take on her role as his mother and do what needs to be done. I mean what is she thinking.

I am also surprised by the absence of both Hamida and Abul Fazl at this time. It is like they have disappeared. Would Hamida really miss her grandson's wedding.

Too many faux pas. 😆 😆
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I don't know whether to pity Anar and feel bad for her or just shake my head in today's episode.
How did she think even for a minute that Akbar would accept her as "empress" when he openly announced Salim and Mann Bai's wedding and Mann bai as the "Mallika - e - Hind". And on top of it she still thinks that once Salim comes back, everything is going to be fine. That Salim will be able to detract Akbar's order and everything is go back to being how it was. I mean how kiddish can her delusion be.

Then there is Jodha. She could have prevented the whole thing getting out of hand if she had been a little bit active. She should have given the dose of reality to Anarkali the moment she came to know about the "love affair". She was Akbar's wife for so long. Did she not know what the consequences can be. I mean she never even talked to Mann or try to manage the situation. She just left both Salim and Anar to their own devices and assumed that Anar would make everything ok. Why she didn't talk to Salim at any point of time after the knowing of his love affair. Why she never tried to explain anything to him.

By the time Salim comes back, Anar will be a well known "rakkasa". No matter even if he rebels, there will be nothing that he could do. He can never give back what she lost today. Even if he wants he can never make her his wife now.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Even Jillan was shown as brainless today. First she tells Akbar that they had riches in Farsi but had lost them. Then tells Akbar that even though they were servants, she and Anar had always walked in the palace with head held high. Finally tells him that he is making a "wrong" decision. Those were really a very poor choice of words by Jillan. When even Jodha doesn't dare to tell Akbar is wrong in court, how did Jillan think that she can call Akbar "wrong" in a court. And after saying that, that he would forgive Anar.

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Originally posted by: Shaavi



Jodha doesn't act as a Rajput princess most of the time. Yesterday she knew that Salim was being sent to war. Yet she did not come to him to wish him good luck. I mean she knew he wasn't married. When the son doesn't have a wife yet, didn't the mother's do the tilak and blessing him. How come Jodha forgot that.

From my perspective, she should have come there with Mann Bai and asked Mann to do the tilak. This way Salim would have known what his parents choice is, their expectations is. Why Jodha doesn't want to take on her role as his mother and do what needs to be done. I mean what is she thinking.

I am also surprised by the absence of both Hamida and Abul Fazl at this time. It is like they have disappeared. Would Hamida really miss her grandson's wedding.

Too many faux pas. 😆 😆


Jodha from what i observed is scared to displease salim

When you have an only child parents get scared to displease that child and bend to his whims and fancy especially a male child

You see that syndrome even in 21st century in india and asia

Parents are scared to correct male children as they are budappe ki latti

Parents are scared to lose only child by objecting even to their bad behaviour or wrong decision

Akbar has two other sons so hes ok with displeasing salim sometimes

But Jodha has only one child salim and she do not want to displease apple of her eye at any cost

Instead of going and telling salim you cannot love anar shes a maid you a prince better marry my darling neice maan bai. i am not going to spoil my relation with my darling brother bhagwan das what did jodha do beg anarkali to tell him to marry anar

Imagine if jjodha had 2 kids or was acting like empress she would warn salim to marry maan

More than akbar its jodha who should be interested in maan bai marrying her darling son salim

Does jodha want an unknown anar a maid as her bahu and her grandkids mother or she wants her own blood maan bai as bahu and her darling salims kids mother?

Obivously any mother wants her darling neice whose like a daughter to her as her daughter in law and her grand kids mother

Until and unless jodha wants revenge from amer and bhagwan das for forcefully marrying her to the mughal Akbar

In that case i can understand her current behaviour she wants revenge from her mayka for forcing her to marry a outsider mughal than some raputh 😉

Currentlty it looks like jodha wants revnge from both amer and mughals for whatever reason Or she does not want to displease her only darling sonny boy

Hamida has joined another serial i doubt she will be back

Abul fazl has no much work on this track man singh has taken his place


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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shaavi

I don't know whether to pity Anar and feel bad for her or just shake my head in today's episode.

How did she think even for a minute that Akbar would accept her as "empress" when he openly announced Salim and Mann Bai's wedding and Mann bai as the "Mallika - e - Hind". And on top of it she still thinks that once Salim comes back, everything is going to be fine. That Salim will be able to detract Akbar's order and everything is go back to being how it was. I mean how kiddish can her delusion be.

Then there is Jodha. She could have prevented the whole thing getting out of hand if she had been a little bit active. She should have given the dose of reality to Anarkali the moment she came to know about the "love affair". She was Akbar's wife for so long. Did she not know what the consequences can be. I mean she never even talked to Mann or try to manage the situation. She just left both Salim and Anar to their own devices and assumed that Anar would make everything ok. Why she didn't talk to Salim at any point of time after the knowing of his love affair. Why she never tried to explain anything to him.

By the time Salim comes back, Anar will be a well known "rakkasa". No matter even if he rebels, there will be nothing that he could do. He can never give back what she lost today. Even if he wants he can never make her his wife now.


Anar has forgotten shes a maid and not a princess

The fact that jodha and salim have treated her as equal has made her lose her senses and whats right from wrong

Akbar gave shelter to jillan and anar pitying them

that does not mean he said love my son and marry him etc

shes just an maid in his house

Imagine if all employees start loving their owners children , which owner will agree to marry? even in 21st century

Every human want their chldren to marry someone in equal status and education level and richness and religion, caste, ethnicity etc

Especially royals they are very strict on such matters

Even in 21st century royals be it british or others will not allow heirs to marry a maid etc

So to expect akbar to say yes to marry a maid for next emperor in 15th century is stupidity

The remaining kingdoms/empire will rebel if salim marries anar and not give respect to the mughal throne

Here they are making akbar look very bad by saying he made anar a rakassa


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Originally posted by: Shaavi

Even Jillan was shown as brainless today. First she tells Akbar that they had riches in Farsi but had lost them. Then tells Akbar that even though they were servants, she and Anar had always walked in the palace with head held high. Finally tells him that he is making a "wrong" decision. Those were really a very poor choice of words by Jillan. When even Jodha doesn't dare to tell Akbar is wrong in court, how did Jillan think that she can call Akbar "wrong" in a court. And after saying that, that he would forgive Anar.


Jillan must be dreaming about her richness

A mughal soldier got 4000 silver coins per year as fixed salary plus war booty on winning plus rice, pulses etc monthly ration etc

Prince salim salary was few lakhs per month as prince in todays time and few more lakhs as army commander per month. He got 700 silver coins a day as salary as prince.

If you thought thats huge that was chillar compared to shah jahans salary per year almost 21 crore silver coins a year as a salary!!!!!!!!!!!!

An agra fort servant will be more rich than very rich man in persia based on salary only forgwet other perks

Prince salim gave a grant of 10000 silver coins only to feed his fav elephant a year

And some of his pet lions/cheetahs got more grant than any maids/ soldiers
Shah jahan also gave loads of grants to his elephants too


In those times 10-20 silver coins enough to manage house hold expenses like food etc

So everything else was extar income

Edited by myviewprem - 6 years ago
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Anar has forgotten shes a maid and not a princess

The fact that jodha and salim have treated her as equal has made her lose her senses and whats right from wrong

Akbar gave shelter to jillan and anar pitying them

that does not mean he said love my son and marry him etc

shes just an maid




I feel it is not just the fact that Salim and Jodha treated her as equal that made her lose her senses. It is the whole banjara track that is affecting her deeply.

First she was abducted by those Afghani where Salim reaches her on time and protected her. He did not let her have even a single scratch on her. Then he introduced her as his wife to the banjaras and treated her like how other banjaras treated their wives. After that when she led those rebels away, he kept her confidence when he came to rescue her again.

In that banjaras group, they were equal. They didn't have any class or society between them. They were themselves. Even when they came back no one really doubted them. Akbar just praised Salim for protecting Anarkali.

It is this sequence that made a huge impact on her where she completely lost herself in her delusions. She believes that she is Salim's "wife. That as long as Salim is there no one can harm her. Just like how he saved her from those Afghani rebels, he will save her from Akbar's wrath too. That it is just a matter of time. As soon as Salim comes and explains, everything is going to be ok. Didn't Akbar agree to spare that rebel on Salim's say so. All she now needs is to wait for Salim's return. He had promised that he would make her his wife, his queen and that he would protect her. And Salim keeps his promise and just like before will let nothing bad happen to her.

I feel that Salim will search for Anarkali once he comes back from war. But will not be told anything. Everyone will be engaged in the preparations of his wedding with Mann Bai. Before he can do anything, his wedding will start. After the wedding, he will be told that "raks has been organized and it will be done by "rakkasa e Hindustan. That is when he will see Anarkali the first time he comes back.

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