1984 Attack on Golden Temple

Hi guys...

I'm not sure if you've discussed this before...

But I was speaking to 2 friends the other day...both were Sikh and I'm hindu...

one was saying that she thinks Indira Gandhi was completely wrong in attacking the Golden Temple and that Bhindrewala...was not at all a terrorist...

Whereas my other Sikh friend said that he was a terrorist and that Gandhi was right in attacking the Golden Temple...

When I said that they found girls, ammunitions wihtin the Golden Temple..she refused to believe me.... And I also told her about SEVERAL youtube videos where several ppl have shown sooo much hatred against Hindus...it's heart-breeaking....

My question is.... What are your views on Indira Gandhi's actions? Where do you stand?

Also, why do you think that there is such a difference in opinion between the two ppl of the same religion?

Also, I ALWAYS thought that Hindus and Sikhs were at peace...but those youtube videos were complete shockers....why do you think there is still soo much contempt even among the NEW generation of Sikhs and Hindus? Is the peace which I've always seen between Sikhs and Hindus a farace...and hidden behind the curtain is utter hatred?

*I'm not entirely sure if we are allowed to discuss this. If we are not please feel free to close this topic. This topic has always caught my interest and wanted to know what other people thought. I really hope I haven't offended anyone.*

Originally posted by: Yeah

Hi guys...

I'm not sure if you've discussed this before...

But I was speaking to 2 friends the other day...both were Sikh and I'm hindu...

one was saying that she thinks Indira Gandhi was completely wrong in attacking the Golden Temple and that Bhindrewala...was not at all a terrorist...

Whereas my other Sikh friend said that he was a terrorist and that Gandhi was right in attacking the Golden Temple...

When I said that they found girls, ammunitions wihtin the Golden Temple..she refused to believe me.... And I also told her about SEVERAL youtube videos where several ppl have shown sooo much hatred against Hindus...it's heart-breeaking....

My question is.... What are your views on Indira Gandhi's actions? Where do you stand?

she was right. unfortunately i believe she did not have other options and i am saying that with the greatest respect for the religion. i think she'd tried negotiating but that too didnt work out i believe. cant have terrorists launch attacks on people outside and then try to misuse the sanctity of a religious place by hiding there.

Also, why do you think that there is such a difference in opinion between the two ppl of the same religion?

it's easy to get incensed and irrational and disregard the facts when it comes to one's own religion. easy to be objective and rational when the discussion is about others.😛

Also, I ALWAYS thought that Hindus and Sikhs were at peace...but those youtube videos were complete shockers....why do you think there is still soo much contempt even among the NEW generation of Sikhs and Hindus? Is the peace which I've always seen between Sikhs and Hindus a farace...and hidden behind the curtain is utter hatred?

not at all. hindus who know enuff can have nothing but the greatest respect and admiration for sikhs, in terms of both the religious teachings and their contributions to indian society and state, both in peacetime and during war. yes, we cant do much about the ignorant ones. but then they dont even know their own religion more than the vague understanding that their "way of life" is somehow derived from a great philosophy and spirituality. another thing though that their own "way of life" is a lazy one.

*I'm not entirely sure if we are allowed to discuss this. If we are not please feel free to close this topic. This topic has always caught my interest and wanted to know what other people thought. I really hope I haven't offended anyone.*

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

whether indira gandhi was right or not - well, i feel she did not have any other option left either.

what i wonder about is why did she create that problem in the first place!!! once created, why did she let things go out of hand to such an extent next!!!

she made errors in judgment, miscalculated perhaps. but does not make her wrong in a moral sense because i cant believe she would have wanted any of it.

these two points formed the foundation that saw operation blue star and indira's assassination later on.

now, u tell me who's right and who's wrong 😊

beyond a certain point, i think people are responsible for their own actions, no one else. IG didnt make bhindranwala do the things he ultimately ended up doing, same as his mother didnt.😊

Originally posted by: chatbuster

rahul 1: beyond a certain point, i think people are responsible for their own actions, no one else. IG didnt make bhindranwala do the things he ultimately ended up doing, same as his mother didnt.😊

gauri-2: exactly, everyone is responsible for their actions...but not just beyond a certain point. they r responsible from the very beginning...especially people with power who happen to be in decision-making position. IG did help creating the monster that bhinderwala turned out to be in the end. therefore, even though i agree she took the right action in the end as far as operation blue star is concerned, i still hold her responsible for creating all the conditions that were conducive to the rise of that separatist movement in punjab in the first place.

oh, no one's blaming bhinderwala's mother here....trust me on that😊 cute joke there😆

btw, debate topic is:

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......My question is.... What are your views on Indira Gandhi's actions? Where do you stand? .......

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gauri-2: i am talking about all her actions up to operation blue star....not just the blue star😊

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

gauri-2: i am talking about all her actions up to operation blue star....not just the blue star😊

yes, let's bring in the history of the world as we know it to justify/ condemn any action, no?😛😆 let's give terorrists a free pass because somewhere someone messed them up, right? maybe the moms messed up by not aborting them, what say? yaa baap kee galti hai?😆

if we can now get back to immediate cause and effect that we can actually figure out and not hypothethicate over, the entire episode became a sorry one not because IG created bindranwala (as some say she did), but because he later went on to engage in activities that necessitated a blue-star. yes?😊

Originally posted by: chatbuster

yes, let's bring in the history of the world as we know it to justify/ condemn any action, no?😛😆 let's give terorrists a free pass because somewhere someone messed them up, right? maybe the moms messed up by not aborting them, what say? yaa baap kee galti hai?😆

no where did i say that operation blue star was wrong. no where did i say that terrorism can be justified.

if we can now get back to immediate cause and effect that we can actually figure out and not hypothethicate over, the entire episode became a sorry one not because IG created bindranwala (as some say she did), but because he later went on to engage in activities that necessitated a blue-star. yes?😊

chalo, just for debate's sake, bhool jatey hain ki ussee ney paida ki thhee yeh problem...if u insist. but she could have controlled him long back but chose not to do that...why?

the debate here is not on whether bhinderwala was right or wrong. debate is on IG's actions. Her final action was justified but all the actions before that were not. let's not lose focus here buddy😊

let's not lose focus here by discussing terrorism in general😊 lets stick to IG's actions wrt separatist movement in punjab that started declining after op. blue star. what made it rise in the first place....IG's certain actions.

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

let's not lose focus here by discussing terrorism in general😊 lets stick to IG's actions wrt separatist movement in punjab that started declining after op. blue star. what made it rise in the first place....IG's certain actions.

yaar, u are again getting into the hen that laid the egg that fed the boy that played with the cat that scratched the back kinda tale here.😆 i know it's fashionable to say that she created the problem, but it's like saying the US is wrong in attacking afghanistan because somewhere they supported the mujaheedin in a rightful cause against soviet occupation. how on earth can someone control how others turn out? 😕😊

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

yaar, u are again getting into the hen that laid the egg that fed the boy that played with the cat that scratched the back kinda tale here.😆 i know it's fashionable to say that she created the problem, but it's like saying the US is wrong in attacking afghanistan because somewhere they supported the mujaheedin in a rightful cause against soviet occupation. how on earth can someone control how others turn out? it's also a question of greater responsibility 😕😊