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Posted: 7 years ago
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Which decent ones?

Jodha Akbar was very good for about 100 episodes, and then the script fell off, first slowly for another 100 , and then sharply as the edgy Jalal became a Jodha ka ghulam. Rajat was excellent in the first 100, and did his best thereafter as well. He is a superb actor given good material.

Serial for serial, if you take out the magnificent Alexander, Jodha Akbar was better than Porus. Just compare Maham Anga with Shivdutt or even Darius! It also felt more real, partly because of the splendid sets from the film which they reused. The Paurav Rashtra part in Porus always seemed like a cardboard cutout to me.

Above all, though Ekta Kapoor's CVs are quite as capable of massacring a promising script as the Swastik ones, Jodha Akbar had a much loved lead pair in Jalal-Jodha, for all that I could not stand her and her bhashans a lot of the time. That anchored the show. You need that, or a charismatic young version of the male lead, as in PRC, Maharana Pratap or Ashoka.

There was no really appealing love story here that could stabilise the show, and keep the viewers emotionally invested in it. Anusuya-Bamni was fractured and it hiccuped at best, and then they were not the main leads. Puru-Laachi was like a juvenile romance. Alexander-Roxanne is a mirage!

Besides, the main lead Porus was perhaps not as much of a draw as the young Ashoka or Kunwar Pratap. That is another reason why Porus has failed, methinks, in spite of the incredibly good Alexander, while Maharana Pratap did well, also on Sony, till Faisal Khan played Kunwar Pratap.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: inlieu

I just don't get it... How do shows like Jodha Akbar run well past their expiry dates while decent ones get axed? I notice it happens a lot with Sony shows especially.

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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He arrived at last, last night, coming out of a river like a submarine surfacing!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: .CHOTA_DON.

Acharya Chanakya bhi toh nahi pahunche... Pata nahi Kahan reh Gaye... Woh Bharat mein hote hue bhi itna late kar rahe hain... aur Alexander Apne ghode pe sawar home aeroplane ki speed ka mukabla kar raha hai...😆

Bas bg music sunne Ko mil raha hai pata nahi kitne Dino se... " Chanakya, Chanakya, Chanakya, ho..."😆

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I understand that Jodha-Akbar had a better story than Porus, but once it started to go downhill, why didn't they pull the plug? and let it run to 500+ episodes?

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Which decent ones?

Jodha Akbar was very good for about 100 episodes, and then the script fell off, first slowly for another 100 , and then sharply as the edgy Jalal became a Jodha ka ghulam. Rajat was excellent in the first 100, and did his best thereafter as well. He is a superb actor given good material.

Serial for serial, if you take out the magnificent Alexander, Jodha Akbar was better than Porus. Just compare Maham Anga with Shivdutt or even Darius! It also felt more real, partly because of the splendid sets from the film which they reused. The Paurav Rashtra part in Porus always seemed like a cardboard cutout to me.

Above all, though Ekta Kapoor's CVs are quite as capable of massacring a promising script as the Swastik ones, Jodha Akbar had a much loved lead pair in Jalal-Jodha, for all that I could not stand her and her bhashans a lot of the time. That anchored the show. You need that, or a charismatic young version of the male lead, as in PRC, Maharana Pratap or Ashoka.

There was no really appealing love story here that could stabilise the show, and keep the viewers emotionally invested in it. Anusuya-Bamni was fractured and it hiccuped at best, and then they were not the main leads. Puru-Laachi was like a juvenile romance. Alexander-Roxanne is a mirage!

Besides, the main lead Porus was perhaps not as much of a draw as the young Ashoka or Kunwar Pratap. That is another reason why Porus has failed, methinks, in spite of the incredibly good Alexander, while Maharana Pratap did well, also on Sony, till Faisal Khan played Kunwar Pratap.

Shyamala Aunty


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

He arrived at last, last night, coming out of a river like a submarine surfacing!

Shyamala Aunty


Submarine... 🤣 🤣

Ohh Ohk.. Thank You..😊 I just now caught up with yesterday's episode... He is finally here..😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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It was the script that started going downhill, with vishkanyas and the like. Not the TRPs, which never fell below 2. And Jodha Akbar was on Zee, where the TRPs are generally higher, and the competition tougher. Viewers like me. fed up with the lousy script, quit, but the core audience stayed put, and the TRPs never fell too far. Zee and Ekta let it run because it was still making money for both of them. Period.
In fact I never understood why Siddharth Tewary went to Sony, which is generally the graveyard of good TV. They sank Yashraj TV, and Amitabh Bachchan's first fiction show on TV, Anurag Kashyap's Yudh.

You have not addressed the key point I had made, which was not only the story. It was the romance between the lead pair.They were extremely popular, both together and separately, for Rajat and Paridhi had huge individual fan followings.

And to reinforce my point, when Ekta made Chandra Nandini with Rajat, but with a different leading lady, Shweta Basu, and an ill chosen Chanakya, it never did as well (on Star Plus) as Jodha Akbar, though the TRPs did not fall below 1.3 or so. Porus is now at 0.8. and never crossed 1 bar the opening episode.

Here, Alexander was, for me and for many others, the sole drawing point, and he was not given the prominence he deserved. If he had been built up more, things might have been better. Ah well, at least I got to see the boy in a splendid, once in a lifetime role. That is something.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: inlieu

I understand that Jodha-Akbar had a better story than Porus, but once it started to go downhill, why didn't they pull the plug? and let it run to 500+ episodes?

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#36
The Puru-Laachi romance never set off fireworks and Roxanne's entry has come too late without much footage, so I guess the CVs have missed the boat there. They also made a mess of the Barsine-Alexander track.

All the other wars that Alexander had fought before going to India would have provided material for us, but the CVs just do not want to give him more screen time and it will also mean trying to find something to show for the PR segment which they are just not creative enough for, e.g. Puru's training, setting up administration as the new king, raising an army, debating with other rulers, etc.

I am sad about the show ending soon because I won't get to see Rohit/Alexander much longer, but if it means preventing the show from being dragged unnecessarily with ridiculous tracks, then I much prefer it get a graceful end/go out with a bang.

Personally, my biggest disappointment is Olympias being in Bharat, because one of the key things in Alexander's life was the mother who instilled in him the confidence and will to be a conquerer never got to see his achievements in person, only heard about it second-hand. A bitter sweet experience, including him dying in Babylon away from her.

No chance of that happening. It is going to be so weird to have her around whether they show Alexander winning, losing, or a stalemate.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

It was the script that started going downhill, with vishkanyas and the like. Not the TRPs, which never fell below 2. And Jodha Akbar was on Zee, where the TRPs are generally higher, and the competition tougher. Viewers like me. fed up with the lousy script, quit, but the core audience stayed put, and the TRPs never fell too far. Zee and Ekta let it run because it was still making money for both of them. Period.
In fact I never understood why Siddharth Tewary went to Sony, which is generally the graveyard of good TV. They sank Yashraj TV, and Amitabh Bachchan's first fiction show on TV, Anurag Kashyap's Yudh.

You have not addressed the key point I had made, which was not only the story. It was the romance between the lead pair.They were extremely popular, both together and separately, for Rajat and Paridhi had huge individual fan followings.

And to reinforce my point, when Ekta made Chandra Nandini with Rajat, but with a different leading lady, Shweta Basu, and an ill chosen Chanakya, it never did as well (on Star Plus) as Jodha Akbar, though the TRPs did not fall below 1.3 or so. Porus is now at 0.8. and never crossed 1 bar the opening episode.

Here, Alexander was, for me and for many others, the sole drawing point, and he was not given the prominence he deserved. If he had been built up more, things might have been better. Ah well, at least I got to see the boy in a splendid, once in a lifetime role. That is something.

Shyamala Aunty

Edited by inlieu - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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That is it, my dear. They told Rohit to be selfish and focus only on his own performance, and then they trimmed his footage so much that those who watch Porus for him are left high and dry. 😡 No Egypt, no Syria, no Gaugamela, no Sisygambis, and now next to no Roxanne either.

I only hope the publicity this show has given him stands him in good stead in the future. He is an almost complete actor, I have not yet seen him falter, not to speak of stumble, in any scene. I say almost because 100% nahin kehna chahiye, nazar lag jaati hai.

He has the right height, the lean, athletic build without being too muscled, and an easy grace in all his movements and his body language. The last speaks volumes, as in the death of Bessus scene. And his eyes are, if at all that is possible, even more eloquent.

Jung ko to chhodo, paise bahut kharch hote hain, aur dekhnewale ek jung aur doosri ke beech ka faraq nahin samajhte. Par mohabbat to sabi samajhte hain na? How could they not give him a proper track with Roxanne?😡😡 I don't think they will show anything worthwhile now.

As for the part I have now italicised, it is very perceptive of you, my dear. Honore de Balzac, the great French novelist, wrote a book called La Condition Humaine, or The Human Condition. The Alexander-Olympias separation is one of the tragedies that abound in the human condition as described by Balzac. The farewell scene between them was so intensely moving that it brought tears to my eyes, precisely because of the tragic subtext that you have highlighted.

The CVs have now trivialised that and made it commonplace, I cannot understand for what reason.
She has not done anything important as yet, and I cannot imagine what she can do now either. Chalo, chhodo!

You know, they say that He who hath a child hath given a hostage to fortune. Which means that one worries all the time about the child one loves. It is almost the same when one grows to like a person very, very much. Like Rohit and his Alexander. I am surely going to have withdrawal symptoms for a while, all the more so because this is the only show I watch these days.

For him, poor boy, it is far more of a blow. I very much hope that the gods are kind to him and grant him a brilliant acting career, since this seems to be what he has set his heart on.

As for a spin off series on Alexander, I am afraid that, like with SRK's Asoka, the failure of Porus
would have queered the pitch for any such serial for the next several years.


Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: inlieu

The Puru-Laachi romance never set off fireworks and Roxanne's entry has come too late without much footage, so I guess the CVs have missed the boat there. They also made a mess of the Barsine-Alexander track.

All the other wars that Alexander had fought before going to India would have provided material for us, but the CVs just do not want to give him more screen time and it will also mean trying to find something to show for the PR segment which they are just not creative enough for, e.g. Puru's training, setting up administration as the new king, raising an army, debating with other rulers, etc.

I am sad about the show ending soon because I won't get to see Rohit/Alexander much longer, but if it means preventing the show from being dragged unnecessarily with ridiculous tracks, then I much prefer it get a graceful end/go out with a bang.

Personally, my biggest disappointment is Olympias being in Bharat, because one of the key things in Alexander's life was the mother who instilled in him the confidence and will to be a conquerer never got to see his achievements in person, only heard about it second-hand. A bitter sweet experience, including him dying in Babylon away from her.

No chance of that happening. It is going to be so weird to have her around whether they show Alexander winning, losing, or a stalemate.

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Everyone seems to be convinced to be convinced that the show is ending ?😭
What was the point of Roxane just to show he had a wife too ? And now they brought Chanakya which means even more screentime divided
Almost a week and no proper Alexander scrnes
I was catching up with the old episodes and the war they showed during his entry might possibly the only good directed war we will ever see now 😕
Is it confirmed that the show is ending ?
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: akdhalover

Everyone seems to be convinced to be convinced that the show is ending ?😭

What was the point of Roxane just to show he had a wife too ? And now they brought Chanakya which means even more screentime divided
Almost a week and no proper Alexander scrnes
I was catching up with the old episodes and the war they showed during his entry might possibly the only good directed war we will ever see now 😕
Is it confirmed that the show is ending ?

No confirmation news till yet
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: akdhalover

Everyone seems to be convinced to be convinced that the show is ending ?😭

What was the point of Roxane just to show he had a wife too ? And now they brought Chanakya which means even more screentime divided
Almost a week and no proper Alexander scrnes
I was catching up with the old episodes and the war they showed during his entry might possibly the only good directed war we will ever see now 😕
Is it confirmed that the show is ending ?

See Rohit's latest interview in that he said we will get to real rohit within 1-2 months
And that interview was taken when he was shooting post war sequence after winning faras and made entry at farsi market and with 3 ladies.Tabhi usne 1-2 month ki baat ki.1 month almost ho chuke h.Show dekhke bhi feel hota h jaldi story rush ho rehi h which give hint it will end soon.
Bhala 260 epi dikhana hota toh story rush karne ki Kya zarurat

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