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Posted: 7 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: Survival

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">I don't like Mithali but how is, apologizing to her as he forgot her award ceremony and asking her out for lunch to compensate, flirting?!!!!! He could have done it as a friend also, it has nothing romantic


Ok let me check the word flirting from the dictionary "</font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">behave as though sexually attracted to someone, but playfully rather than with serious intentions." So how is that flirting!!!


I understand as AvNeil fans all are pissed off but I find it honestly wrong to paint things in a way they are not especially for people who just read written updates. Anyways I feel majority are driven by their emotions now , I doubt anyone is in a state to see behind the facades or ponder deeply about things, again I'm not generalising nor justifying, if you feel I'm not speaking sense then ignore this. </font>



You might be right with the exact definition and all, and true, a friend also does that for a friend.. But, back up to the situation.. He was at a court hearing for his son's custody.. Something that obviously would have him in an emotional state, yet, instead of having his brain filled with the thoughts of the case, or even the fact that Avni did nearly call him a bad father, he was far more concerned about mitali and her party.. In fact, he was so nonchalant about the case in the first place, that he agreed to attend the function with mitali, knowing it was at similar times.. Did he really have so little importance for the case that he was okay with hurrying up there? And if that's the case, why file a custody battle in the first place?

It is flirting because even his son doesn't matter at that point.. A friend insists that he wishes to compensate, but does a heartbroken man, or even a man emotionally drained as Neil's condition is, have a 100 watt smile for just a friend?? You try extra hard when it's someone you love as you don't wish to see them sad, but for a friend?? Am sorry if it offended you, but for me, that is infact worse than only flirting.. It's actually treating his son as collateral damage...
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Posted: 7 years ago
#12
No you didn't offend me, you have the right to think whatever u want. See no one likes third angles, and I'm saddened by the proposal to a point it will never be the same for me again, and I still get tears of saddness and frustration in my eyes whenever I remember it (yes so silly because this is just a show and these are just fictional characters) because away from reality and how real life people would behave, the romantic idealistic in me, who loved Neil and AvNeil is hurt and saddened by it because regardless of circumstances I always wanted the idea itself of the existence of another woman in Neil's life to be unbearable to him to even consider it, so I'm tired when people assume that I'm ok with what's happening, I feel sad and hurt too because I loved certain things about these characters which made them special and many of these things have been tampered with by the new writers

But at the same time, I wouldn't assume things that don't exist or don't have a solid proof behind, rest time will tell, this is the way u feel no one can compel u to feel otherwise, but it doesn't mean everyone feels exactly the same, not all things are absolute, most of things are relative and I prefer to wait and see first, just the way u cant understand a sentence when it's half written, or a book from few chapters, same goes for the story and a track not that I trust the new writers, I honestly feel they are going the cliched typical way only


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: cutepigs


You might be right with the exact definition and all, and true, a friend also does that for a friend.. But, back up to the situation.. He was at a court hearing for his son's custody.. Something that obviously would have him in an emotional state, yet, instead of having his brain filled with the thoughts of the case, or even the fact that Avni did nearly call him a bad father, he was far more concerned about mitali and her party.. In fact, he was so nonchalant about the case in the first place, that he agreed to attend the function with mitali, knowing it was at similar times.. Did he really have so little importance for the case that he was okay with hurrying up there? And if that's the case, why file a custody battle in the first place?

It is flirting because even his son doesn't matter at that point.. A friend insists that he wishes to compensate, but does a heartbroken man, or even a man emotionally drained as Neil's condition is, have a 100 watt smile for just a friend?? You try extra hard when it's someone you love as you don't wish to see them sad, but for a friend?? Am sorry if it offended you, but for me, that is infact worse than only flirting.. It's actually treating his son as collateral damage...


May I know if there was any scene in any episode where Neil agreed to attend Mitali's function? Was there anything that proves he was nonchalant about the hearing timing? It could also be that he had so less importance for her function n just agreed to attend it without bothering much about its timing n his availability? WHY ASSUME THINGS? If he was nonchalant about the court case, he would have rather gone to the award function which was more important for him than his son's custody, supposedly. How did he forget that n wasted his time in a nonchalant custody case?
Neil has always been a man of his words. Due to his same heartbroken condition and emotionally drained state and the nonchalant court case, he forgot what he committed to Mitali and he feels guilty for the same, wants to make up for it, how is it flirting or worse than only flirting? And let's not forget, he might not love Mitali as his wife-to-be, but she has been his best friend since his academy days and moreover, she has been like a family in the last 10 years...freaking 10 years. So he surely loves her as his friend at least. Do u not smile even in ur worst conditions for ur family or relatives or such close friends whom u love? It was the same Neil whom we used to praise for putting others before himself n now if he does the same with his best friend who unfortunately happens to be his fiance, we despise him just because of our hatred for the 3rd angles. I guess, I should write a signature under my posts now...Don't assume, blame the characters only for what wrong they are actually doing and not for what u perceive, because I m writing that in my almost every post. Sorry, if I offend u, but I m seriously not able to understand this new accusation of Flirting! If cheap, womaniser, self-pitying, self-centered was not enough, now this is the new accusation!👏
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I didnt really think neil was flirting as such.
Also, hasnt neil and the khannas (accept prakash obvs) wondered where avni got the money for this lawyer 🤔
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Posted: 7 years ago
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May I know if there was any scene in any episode where Neil agreed to attend Mitali's function? Was there anything that proves he was nonchalant about the hearing timing? It could also be that he had so less importance for her function n just agreed to attend it without bothering much about its timing n his availability? WHY ASSUME THINGS? If he was nonchalant about the court case, he would have rather gone to the award function which was more important for him than his son's custody, supposedly. How did he forget that n wasted his time in a nonchalant custody case?
Neil has always been a man of his words. Due to his same heartbroken condition and emotionally drained state and the nonchalant court case, he forgot what he committed to Mitali and he feels guilty for the same, wants to make up for it, how is it flirting or worse than only flirting? And let's not forget, he might not love Mitali as his wife-to-be, but she has been his best friend since his academy days and moreover, she has been like a family in the last 10 years...freaking 10 years. So he surely loves her as his friend at least. Do u not smile even in ur worst conditions for ur family or relatives or such close friends whom u love? It was the same Neil whom we used to praise for putting others before himself n now if he does the same with his best friend who unfortunately happens to be his fiance, we despise him just because of our hatred for the 3rd angles. I guess, I should write a signature under my posts now...Don't assume, blame the characters only for what wrong they are actually doing and not for what u perceive, because I m writing that in my almost every post. Sorry, if I offend u, but I m seriously not able to understand this new accusation of Flirting! If cheap, womaniser, self-pitying, self-centered was not enough, now this is the new accusation!👏



He didn't go to the party but the hearing? That's your response to him being nonchalant? If I am not wring, both things had a time and venue attached to them, and yet he had promised to be there... Unless I am wrong about court procedures and it is first come first basis, or the award ceremonies are such ways...

She was a friend for over 10 years, she helped him with Avni, and yet she did the most despicable thing, she tried to use Avni's childhood fear against her to keep her away from Neil.. She also lied about Avni being alive... How is all that fine? Because she is a friend? I am sorry, but if I had such friends, and honestly from Neil's pov, such a significant other, I'll be running for the hills to live in peace and quiet...

And yes, you smile for friends, and family, but again, if that same old friend, the one through thick and thin as you say, cannot even see that I am not smiling, what's the point?? She says she is with him, understands his position, and that's amazing, no doubts... But if all past sins are that easy for Neil to forgive, that he has no remaining problem with her, why the hatred to the level of calling Avni an incompetent mother and mitali a better one??

I will again say this, it isn't the book definition being referred in anyone calling Neil a flirt, it I the situational definition... That he forgets everything around her, he didn't do that with Avni also in Juhi's scene... Either he doesn't give any damn about mitali and her being his companion, and a mother to his child as he wants, or she actually makes him forget all his problems, making her perfect for him, better than Avni was!!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: cutepigs



He didn't go to the party but the hearing? That's your response to him being nonchalant? If I am not wring, both things had a time and venue attached to them, and yet he had promised to be there... Unless I am wrong about court procedures and it is first come first basis, or the award ceremonies are such ways...

She was a friend for over 10 years, she helped him with Avni, and yet she did the most despicable thing, she tried to use Avni's childhood fear against her to keep her away from Neil.. She also lied about Avni being alive... How is all that fine? Because she is a friend? I am sorry, but if I had such friends, and honestly from Neil's pov, such a significant other, I'll be running for the hills to live in peace and quiet...

And yes, you smile for friends, and family, but again, if that same old friend, the one through thick and thin as you say, cannot even see that I am not smiling, what's the point?? She says she is with him, understands his position, and that's amazing, no doubts... But if all past sins are that easy for Neil to forgive, that he has no remaining problem with her, why the hatred to the level of calling Avni an incompetent mother and mitali a better one??

I will again say this, it isn't the book definition being referred in anyone calling Neil a flirt, it I the situational definition... That he forgets everything around her, he didn't do that with Avni also in Juhi's scene... Either he doesn't give any damn about mitali and her being his companion, and a mother to his child as he wants, or she actually makes him forget all his problems, making her perfect for him, better than Avni was!!


If u don't want to understand, then there's no point discussing anything. U have totally misunderstood what I said about the timings of Award function and court hearing. Both do have a specific timing. But if according to u, he can be nonchalant about the court case that he agreed to attend the award function at the same time...according to me, he can be nonchalant about the award function that he agreed to and even did rather visit the court at the same time. Nothing on those grounds was shown to us in the episode, so we can not assume anything on our own and blame him for what he has not done, just because we are hating some of his other actions...that alone was my point. N then too if we have to assume something, what I assumed is backed by his actions. Having two events to attend at the same time, by visiting the court and completely forgetting about the award function, he proved what was more important n what was nonchalant for him.
Yes I agree, Mitali has done a really despicable act, but if we see from where Neil stands, she did that to win Neil unlike whatever Avni has done was to lose him. With this constant rejection by Avni, in his emotional state of mind, he could forgive Mitali because her acts were only for his acceptance. Standing at the receiving end of rejections, he knows how it feels to be rejected and to what level one can go for their love. Still he was angry with her for a few days. But she made an honest effort no. of times to beg his apology and accepted her mistakes, he could forgive her after a while. He couldn't forget all the good she has been doing since 10+ years for one bad that she did, that too for him, for a long, because she was honestly and expressively guilty. Mitali can very much see he is not smiling, she has said the same thing to him thousand times. Haan, still continuing with the engagement is wrong from her side obviously. But she is totally aware of what Neil is right now.
I don't even want to get into the topic of if he can forgive Mitali then why not Avni, its enough discussed already. If u feel any difference between the place of Avni and Mitali in his life and also between the seriousness, reasons as per Neil's knowledge and duration of mistakes they both have done and the efforts they have done to pacify Neil giving full justifications for their actions...u'll not ask this question. I won't say anything more on this.
As far as I understand, he is only being his normal self around her, neither happy nor sad. He has decided to forget Avni and move on, so he is just acting normal with people...and when he is in a solitude, he deals with his inner turmoil. I don't find this even wrong, let alone flirting even by the "situational definition"
Well, I rest my case here...I have talked enough on this "flirting" issue and can't stress myself more for those who are "blinded" by the hatred for Neil and Mitali for everything they do. Thanks!

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