05/01 Highlights: Prakash is Avni's Well Wisher

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Mandy

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Posted: 7 years ago

Really loved Prakash and Avni's scenes tonight! If there is one bond these writers have done full justice to it is Prakash and Avni's. It was expected that Prakash would be the well wisher and he gave Avni the courage she needs to fight this battle, she now knows she is not alone and that the man she sacrificed so much for is still on her side. Prakash's dialogues definitely foreshadowed the truth coming out soon, Avni just needs to stay strong the truth will soon set her free.

So there is a lot of talk about Neil and Avni's court scenes, here's my take. Avni was wrong in her defense because everything she asked Neil is everything she deprived him of knowing about his son and I was happy when Neil called her out on that. What's fair is fair, I don't condone everything Neil is doing but Avni is no less. Neil may seem heartless to some because he is not seeing Avni's tears or is not affected by her pleas to not take Mowgli from her but I ask this how is he supposed to feel when Avni did the same to him? For ten years he did not even know he had a child nor did he even know his wife was alive, he has the right to be bitter, he has that right to not have any sympathy for her when it comes to not wanting to be separated from her son. Avni needs to understand she snatched valid time from both her son and husband, we as viewers know Avni had her reasons but Neil does not know that. In Neil's eyes he only sees his wife who wants to distance herself from him, he only sees his wife who kept the truth about their son from him and raised their kid an orphan. Should Neil realize there is more? Sure under the old writers that could have been the case but these are new writers and while they don't understand these characters in depth, they are not entirely wrong in what is being shown with Neil and Avni. Avni has always had a stubborn streak, always thinking what she did is right without seeing the impact of her actions and Neil well we know for a fact there is no one who affects him the way Avni does.

I am hoping the truth comes out before the week is over because I really want to see Neil repent and fight for his wife, I want to see Avni making up for lost time and I really want to see Prakash and Avni's scenes. I want to see how Prakash reacts learning of the sacrifice Avni made for him, the suffering they all endured. I just want to see those moments instead of some rushed reunion given the extent of which Avni went for her loved ones.

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IFLove

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Posted: 7 years ago

I'll not completely agree with how Neil is behaving in case of Mowgli...but yeah, Avni was little unreasonable too with her justifications for those questions in the court.

The biggest hurt for Neil right now is of being rejected from the family photo frame that he always dreamt about once upon a time. He may vent it out all under the cover of his hatred towards Avni for leaving him n hiding about his son, but more than that, what's hurting him the most is her rejection even after coming back. All he wanted her to do was to claim her rights on him, make him feel loved, express her willingness to stay with him at least now...but she never did that even once, rather she always asked him to move on and left. If that was not enough, I felt she was doing the same now about Mowgli's case too in today's court hearing. She first raised Mowgli as an orphan, then didn't tell him after meeting him, hid it even after Vidyut was no more n even after he coincidentally found out finally, she has again rejected him from the same family frame! First she didn't give him any valid reason, then didn't try to pacify him when he was beyond hurt, then took Mowgli away when he was for the first time going to hug him as his father...n that's something that has hurt him to the point that he is kinda acting vengeful now. He is totally wrong not to think about the kid for his own issues, but Avni too was wrong in her questions in the court. She didn't ask him those questions to make him realise his duties as a father and how he should understand Mowgli before claiming for his custody but to prove how she alone is a good parent, and hence his reply was very befitting that how he can learn these things if she never let him be with his son. Now I'll even ignore that Avni didn't make any efforts for their relation, but she must have made efforts for her son. Neil has no idea about how a father should behave, he can not become a father in one day. Like she said, along with a child, even a mother takes birth and she grows up as a mother only with her baby growing up. Same applies to the father too. So, I do not expect Neil to understand Mowgli the way Avni does. Neil is just not thinking about anything, but Avni does, isn't it? Then when Avni understands that Neil too loves Mowgli like she does, Neil too has a fatherly right on him; when she still teaches Mowgli to be respectful towards his father n tells him constantly that he is a good man, when she realises that Mowgli needs his father too, then why did she not suggest for a joint custody even once? Why didn't she tell Neil even once to befriend Mowgli again n then try to be his father, give mowgli and himself some time and space? All he needed to hear from Avni was he too has a right to love his son, raise him, be with him? After being rejected as her husband from her, he didn't want n deserve another rejection as Mowgli's father too.

I can understand Avni too is going through a great emotional fear of her son being snatched away from her and it must be difficult for her too to think from different angles. But she is still thinking sensibly in Mowgli's case at least unlike Neil. So I hope, her thoughts get the right direction and she comes up with a better argument in the next court hearing or her one-to-one confrontations with Neil.

Having said all this, somehow I m still not able to take the things on their face value, I feel there's something more to Neil's actions than that meets our eyes, if I go by his change in expressions and an overnight flip in his character! Let's see.

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SilentAvNeil

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Posted: 7 years ago

Avni did suggest joint custody, and also joint decision making to Neil but Neil rejected it saying how can he have joint custody with a stranger whom he doesn't know any more. What else can Avni offer?

Yes she made a mistake, she is trying to rectify but the cold front that Neil is putting up, is making it hard for her to talk to him. He is forever ready to blame and find faults with Avni.

At this point both have made mistakes. Avni is thinking about Moghuli but Neil is not thinking about Moghuli. What he should have said is I would like to get to know my child - let me get him comfortable with me and let's defer judgement till after that. That way when he gets custody, Neil will not be a stranger to Moghuli.

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: IFLove
I'll not completely agree with how Neil is behaving in case of Mowgli...but yeah, Avni was little unreasonable too with her justifications for those questions in the court.

The biggest hurt for Neil right now is of being rejected from the family photo frame that he always dreamt about once upon a time. He may vent it out all under the cover of his hatred towards Avni for leaving him n hiding about his son, but more than that, what's hurting him the most is her rejection even after coming back. All he wanted her to do was to claim her rights on him, make him feel loved, express her willingness to stay with him at least now...but she never did that even once, rather she always asked him to move on and left. If that was not enough, I felt she was doing the same now about Mowgli's case too in today's court hearing. She first raised Mowgli as an orphan, then didn't tell him after meeting him, hid it even after Vidyut was no more n even after he coincidentally found out finally, she has again rejected him from the same family frame! First she didn't give him any valid reason, then didn't try to pacify him when he was beyond hurt, then took Mowgli away when he was for the first time going to hug him as his father...n that's something that has hurt him to the point that he is kinda acting vengeful now. He is totally wrong not to think about the kid for his own issues, but Avni too was wrong in her questions in the court. She didn't ask him those questions to make him realise his duties as a father and how he should understand Mowgli before claiming for his custody but to prove how she alone is a good parent, and hence his reply was very befitting that how he can learn these things if she never let him be with his son. Now I'll even ignore that Avni didn't make any efforts for their relation, but she must have made efforts for her son. Neil has no idea about how a father should behave, he can not become a father in one day. Like she said, along with a child, even a mother takes birth and she grows up as a mother only with her baby growing up. Same applies to the father too. So, I do not expect Neil to understand Mowgli the way Avni does. Neil is just not thinking about anything, but Avni does, isn't it? Then when Avni understands that Neil too loves Mowgli like she does, Neil too has a fatherly right on him; when she still teaches Mowgli to be respectful towards his father n tells him constantly that he is a good man, when she realises that Mowgli needs his father too, then why did she not suggest for a joint custody even once? Why didn't she tell Neil even once to befriend Mowgli again n then try to be his father, give mowgli and himself some time and space? All he needed to hear from Avni was he too has a right to love his son, raise him, be with him? After being rejected as her husband from her, he didn't want n deserve another rejection as Mowgli's father too.
I can understand Avni too is going through a great emotional fear of her son being snatched away from her and it must be difficult for her too to think from different angles. But she is still thinking sensibly in Mowgli's case at least unlike Neil. So I hope, her thoughts get the right direction and she comes up with a better argument in the next court hearing or her one-to-one confrontations with Neil.
Having said all this, somehow I m still not able to take the things on their face value, I feel there's something more to Neil's actions than that meets our eyes, if I go by his change in expressions and an overnight flip in his character! Let's see.

Avni did suggest joint custody in Friday's episode outside the courtroom ...she told Neil that even if they did not stay together they can still both be equal in raising Mowgli. But Neil told her she is a stranger and that he won't share custody with her . Also from the time Avni saw Neil again she has asked for forgiveness...time and again ..but he told her and everyone else that he hates her and won't forgive her ..also even when she broke the ms she told him if you don't want to stay with me then move on...so I think she has tried...he won't even let her to handle him he pushes her away all the time ...what else is she supposed to do...yes she hasn't told him about Mowgli because she knew he will try to take the child away and that is exactly what he is doing ...

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IFLove

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: SilentAvNeil
Avni did suggest joint custody, and also joint decision making to Neil but Neil rejected it saying how can he have joint custody with a stranger whom he doesn't know any more. What else can Avni offer?

Yes she made a mistake, she is trying to rectify but the cold front that Neil is putting up, is making it hard for her to talk to him. He is forever ready to blame and find faults with Avni.

At this point both have made mistakes. Avni is thinking about Moghuli but Neil is not thinking about Moghuli. What he should have said is I would like to get to know my child - let me get him comfortable with me and let's defer judgement till after that. That way when he gets custody, Neil will not be a stranger to Moghuli.

Yes, she said about the joint custody in last episode, but that was outside the court, in front of the crowd. N that too was for she didn't want to lose Mowgli, not because she wanted him too to enjoy his parenthood. There's a big difference. She has been only begging him not to snatch her son from her. N I understand her emotional situation right now. So I don't blame her either...but she just needs to get better with time in her explanations n arguments, if not for herself, for her son at least.

What is required right now from her is a mature discussion as a mother. She must make Neil sit in a room and sternly explain him things. Neil is totally out of his mind. If he can't understand, its her duty as a mother to make him understand. Rather than telling him how Mowgli can't live without her, she needs to tell him that he will be able to live with him too if he gives him some time n be patient. That's how she needs to deal with Neil right now. That's the psychology of a man in Neil's place who is tired of facing rejections. Because all he needs to hear is something that shows she isn't selfish n thinks about him too, wants to give him a chance too. N nothing can change by speaking to him about the half cooked facts once n leaving it with a sigh that he's not listening. She needs to constantly keep explaining him, be it her own fake death or about Mowgli's secret. She must at least 10 times talk to him for the 10 year long torture, then only will Neil get some brains back. He deserves that at least, I guess? Both are doing the mistakes, but since the root cause of the whole issue is Avni, it becomes her responsibility more to take a charge of the situation, because Neil can not change anything without knowing things completely. Things are so entangled now, that its Avni only who needs to open the first knot, then only the entire mess will get sorted.

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IFLove

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Indira1211

Avni did suggest joint custody in Friday's episode outside the courtroom ...she told Neil that even if they did not stay together they can still both be equal in raising Mowgli. But Neil told her she is a stranger and that he won't share custody with her . Also from the time Avni saw Neil again she has asked for forgiveness...time and again ..but he told her and everyone else that he hates her and won't forgive her ..also even when she broke the ms she told him if you don't want to stay with me then move on...so I think she has tried...he won't even let her to handle him he pushes her away all the time ...what else is she supposed to do...yes she hasn't told him about Mowgli because she knew he will try to take the child away and that is exactly what he is doing ...

I agree, she apologised to him many times, but is that enough for him to trust u? Does he not need to know the reason y she did what she did? Did she tell him even once that she wants him back in her life? Even after breaking the mangalsutra, she told him to move on if he doesn't want to stay with her. Did she tell if she wants to stay with him regardless of what he wants? N let's not bring this again. Everybody was of the same opinion about this before the proposal happened, n now that Neil is painted as the villain n Avni as a victim, even her previous wrongs are made right. That's y I mentioned I'll ignore now what she did about their relation.

I m now only talking about Avni as a mother, not Neil's wife. A mother can't give up only with one attempt. Has she not treated him like a stranger by hiding about his own son from him? We know the reason, he doesn't. Why should he not call her stranger for that? The impact of this secret is so deep on Neil, that it can not be changed in first attempt only. She needs to keep trying in different ways. N the most important difference is, she is speaking everything from her own perspective...don't snatch Mowgli from me, he can't live without me...she needs to speak from Neil's pov too to calm him down.

I might be wrong to compare two shows or two characters, but this entire situation reminds of Ishita from yhm. The circumstances were different, but she too had to fight her daughter's father to make him understand the child psychology and how he should behave as a father...n unintentionally I keep comparing what Avni is doing to what Ishita did. N Ishita's experience tell me what it takes for a mother to not give up easily in her child's case n how she should keep making constant efforts to maintain a balance between the kid n the father despite of having issues with ur husband. The biggest difference in both of them is Avni has baggage of her guilt n has nobody except Mowgli, so its a bigger emotional turmoil for her and hence I don't blame her for what she did in today's court trial, but she definitely needs to improve next time!

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ANNA

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: .Mandy.

Really loved Prakash and Avni's scenes tonight! If there is one bond these writers have done full justice to it is Prakash and Avni's. It was expected that Prakash would be the well wisher and he gave Avni the courage she needs to fight this battle, she now knows she is not alone and that the man she sacrificed so much for is still on her side. Prakash's dialogues definitely foreshadowed the truth coming out soon, Avni just needs to stay strong the truth will soon set her free.

So there is a lot of talk about Neil and Avni's court scenes, here's my take. Avni was wrong in her defense because everything she asked Neil is everything she deprived him of knowing about his son and I was happy when Neil called her out on that. What's fair is fair, I don't condone everything Neil is doing but Avni is no less. Neil may seem heartless to some because he is not seeing Avni's tears or is not affected by her pleas to not take Mowgli from her but I ask this how is he supposed to feel when Avni did the same to him? For ten years he did not even know he had a child nor did he even know his wife was alive, he has the right to be bitter, he has that right to not have any sympathy for her when it comes to not wanting to be separated from her son. Avni needs to understand she snatched valid time from both her son and husband, we as viewers know Avni had her reasons but Neil does not know that. In Neil's eyes he only sees his wife who wants to distance herself from him, he only sees his wife who kept the truth about their son from him and raised their kid an orphan. Should Neil realize there is more? Sure under the old writers that could have been the case but these are new writers and while they don't understand these characters in depth, they are not entirely wrong in what is being shown with Neil and Avni. Avni has always had a stubborn streak, always thinking what she did is right without seeing the impact of her actions and Neil well we know for a fact there is no one who affects him the way Avni does.

I am hoping the truth comes out before the week is over because I really want to see Neil repent and fight for his wife, I want to see Avni making up for lost time and I really want to see Prakash and Avni's scenes. I want to see how Prakash reacts learning of the sacrifice Avni made for him, the suffering they all endured. I just want to see those moments instead of some rushed reunion given the extent of which Avni went for her loved ones.

I completely agree that even though Neil is behaving weirdly to Avni as of now, but i do believe that he is right about his stand except the decision to marry Mithali.

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: IFLove

I agree, she apologised to him many times, but is that enough for him to trust u? Does he not need to know the reason y she did what she did? Did she tell him even once that she wants him back in her life? Even after breaking the mangalsutra, she told him to move on if he doesn't want to stay with her. Did she tell if she wants to stay with him regardless of what he wants? N let's not bring this again. Everybody was of the same opinion about this before the proposal happened, n now that Neil is painted as the villain n Avni as a victim, even her previous wrongs are made right. That's y I mentioned I'll ignore now what she did about their relation.
I m now only talking about Avni as a mother, not Neil's wife. A mother can't give up only with one attempt. Has she not treated him like a stranger by hiding about his own son from him? We know the reason, he doesn't. Why should he not call her stranger for that? The impact of this secret is so deep on Neil, that it can not be changed in first attempt only. She needs to keep trying in different ways. N the most important difference is, she is speaking everything from her own perspective...don't snatch Mowgli from me, he can't live without me...she needs to speak from Neil's pov too to calm him down.
I might be wrong to compare two shows or two characters, but this entire situation reminds of Ishita from yhm. The circumstances were different, but she too had to fight her daughter's father to make him understand the child psychology and how he should behave as a father...n unintentionally I keep comparing what Avni is doing to what Ishita did. N Ishita's experience tell me what it takes for a mother to not give up easily in her child's case n how she should keep making constant efforts to maintain a balance between the kid n the father despite of having issues with ur husband. The biggest difference in both of them is Avni has baggage of her guilt n has nobody except Mowgli, so its a bigger emotional turmoil for her and hence I don't blame her for what she did in today's court trial, but she definitely needs to improve next time!

Wow.. Thank you. Some one out there thinking like me. Yes. I'm angry at Neil for this decision to marry mithali. But thats it. Neil hasnt done anything wrong except that according to me.

Avni is at fault for various reasons. Because if Mowgli hadnt overheard that conversation btw her and sunehri, mowgli would never know Avni is his mom. And if Mowgli hadnt addressed her "mom" , then Neil would never knw he had a child. She didnt have any intention to tell him about his own baby. He would forever be fatherless. She is definitely a SELFISH mom to snatch a fathers right from Neil and she dared to question Neil about Mowgli's likes and dislikes. Had she allowed him, he would have known all those likes and dislikes of his child. It seems like we all suddenly forgot that Its the Same Avni who manipulated us with her tears how she craved for fathers love. Avni never had fathers love. But she had Two MOM - Ayesha and Neela. She had Nano and bf Ali for herself. She was nt raised an orphan. Ashish loved her too even though he was a weak father who couldnt stand up to his mom. Moreover Avni in various episodes taunted his father for not being truthful or faithful to her mothers. Still she went ahead and made her child an Orphan. She is completely at fault in my eyes. She has always been stuborn never once thought about how her actions could cause pain to others. What's the fault of Neil in all these. She SNATCHED Away precious 10 years from his life whrn his own child was fatherless somewhere. He never thought about MOVING on. He was ready to live alone. What more a wife can ask for when in our present world a widower gets re-married just in few months after wife's death. He never once thought about any other girls. He was always faithful to his wife. And now that he knows the truth and he lived 10 years for nothing, he dont knw what to do. He is confused. He is taking his frustrations on everyone. Yes. He is not thinking clearly. But thats it. That doesnt mean that Avni is not at fault. She is the root cause of all problems. She keeps telling him that Mowgli cant live without her but what about all those years Neil never known his child.

More than that She forced Neil to move on. She made him fight ugly by snatching away everything he lived for from him. Avni breaking her Mangalsutra was the last nail in the coffin. So i cant blame Neil for behaving irrationly to Avni. Because he is way past that phase. He lived 10 years thinking that love of his life is dead because he couldnt protect from Vidyut. He had that guilt with in him even he never told anyone. He may have been thinking that because of his past with Juhi brought Vidyut in their life and that ultimately cause his life. When something bad happens, we all find someone to blame. So giving up his one of the most priced possesion- his job , i think that was some kind of making up because he always had that GUILT with in. Mithali did say that Neil resigned because he thought he failed to preotect Avni. Now all these frustrations are making him behave irrationaly. He realised that his wife is alive. He has a child. He wasted his 10 years for nothing because he dont knw her reasons for hiding. What more can expect from a person who suddenly came to know that the life he lived for past 10 years was a lie/ fake. He thinks that Avni never trusted him enough to solve problems. In the past too, she always tried to keep everything hidden. In her stuborn mind, she herself created an image that she can solve every problem out there without taking help from anyone.

So i do believe or i want Neil to win the case. I seriously want that. I may be cruel thinking that. But from my point of view, Avni is more cruel snatching mowgli's family from him for what ever her stupid or stuborn cooked up reason in her mind.

Edited by ANNA90ALEX - 7 years ago

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: SilentAvNeil
Avni did suggest joint custody, and also joint decision making to Neil but Neil rejected it saying how can he have joint custody with a stranger whom he doesn't know any more. What else can Avni offer?

Yes she made a mistake, she is trying to rectify but the cold front that Neil is putting up, is making it hard for her to talk to him. He is forever ready to blame and find faults with Avni.

At this point both have made mistakes. Avni is thinking about Moghuli but Neil is not thinking about Moghuli. What he should have said is I would like to get to know my child - let me get him comfortable with me and let's defer judgement till after that. That way when he gets custody, Neil will not be a stranger to Moghuli.

Neil is not doing out of the court settelemse,as he thinks again Avni will runaway with Moghli,like she does every time and he won't be able to do anything,

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HighOnSarcasm

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Neil is not doing out of the court settelemse,as he thinks again Avni will runaway with Moghli,like she does every time and he won't be able to do anything,

Agree with u 100%.

I also think Neil has filed for custody not because he wants to break Avni but because this way hez ensuring that Avni doesn't suddenly run away from him again & taking away his son as well.

Also he might think that if he wins Mowgliz custody then Avni too will come to him...that if not for him per se but for Mowgli she ll come to him & that finally she ll need Neil for something considering how she has acted since coming back!

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