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Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

Sura 3:28 - Surah Ali 'Imran [3:28]

Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah, except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination.

Surah Ali 'Imran [3:85]-868788

And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.

How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and had witnessed that the Messenger is true and clear signs had come to them? And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

Those - their recompense will be that upon them is the curse of Allah and the angels and the people, all together,

Abiding eternally therein. The punishment will not be lightened for them, nor will they be reprieved.

Surah Al-Ma'idah [5:33]

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

Surah Al-Anfal [8:12]

[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.

Surah Al-Anfal [8:60]

And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.

Surah Al-Anfal [8:65]

O Prophet, urge the believers to battle. If there are among you twenty [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you one hundred [who are] steadfast, they will overcome a thousand of those who have disbelieved because they are a people who do not understand.

Surah At-Tawbah [9:5]

And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Surah At-Tawbah [9:30]

The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

Surah At-Tawbah [9:123]

O you who have believed, fight those neighbours to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.

Surah Al-Haj [22:19]

These are two adversaries who have disputed over their Lord. But those who disbelieved will have cut out for them garments of fire. Poured upon their heads will be scalding water

By which is melted that within their bellies and [their] skins.

Surah Muhammad [47:4]

So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.

Hmmm... wait, let's ignore the Qur'an then and look at the Hadiths (the sayings of the prophet) or the Sirah (the autobiography of the Prophet)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 196
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 90, Hadith 333
Narrated Al-A'raj: Abu Huraira said, Allah's Messenger said, "By Him in Whose Hand my life is, I would love to fight in Allah's Cause and then get martyred and then resurrected (come to life) and then get martyred and then resurrected (come to life) and then get martyred, and then resurrected (come to life) and then get martyred and then resurrected (come to life). Abu Huraira used to repeat those words three times and I testify to it with Allah's Oath.

Sahih Muslim Book 1, Hadith 31 & 33
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 52, Book 4, Hadith 220
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand. Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

Sahih Muslim Book 19, Hadith No 4366
It has been narrated by Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Sahih Muslim Book 41, Hadith No 6985
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 177
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.

Sahih Bukhari Book 9, Hadith 17
"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims.

Sahih Bukhari Book 9, Hadith 57
Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire). I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 256
Narated by As-Sab bin Jaththama: The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans). I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 3, Hadith 111
Narrated Ash-Sha'bi: Abu Juhaifa said, "I asked Ali, Have you got any book (which has been revealed to the Prophet apart from the Qur'an)?' Ali replied, No, except Allah's Book or the power of understanding which has been bestowed (by Allah) upon a Muslim or what is (written) in this sheet of paper (with me).' Abu Juhaifa said, "I asked, What is (written) in this sheet of paper?' Ali replied, it deals with The Diyya (compensation (blood money) paid by the killer to the relatives of the victim), the ransom for the releasing of the captives from the hands of the enemies, and the law that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for the killing of (a disbeliever).

ERRR... no, what about the Sira?

Sahih Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"

ok, that's not convincing, how to convince you that Islam is peaceful?

Let's look at the actions of peaceful true believers since the foundation in the 6th century and peaceful actions around the world. The Hindu Kush mountains, the Balkans, Armenia etc. Hmmm... ok, that doesn't work either.

I think the examples given above from the three Holy books of Islam - the Quran (with commandments that are to be followed for all time as the Holy Quran is not a created book for one time but is uncreated and for all time), the Hadiths and the Sira (life of the prophet pbuh) PLUS the lifes of peaceful believers over the past 1400 years should convince you that Islam is truly peaceful, truly, really, really truly peaceful.

1. " It doesn't show any real life valuable information. but these are not just cherry picked excerpts from the Qur'an and Hadiths and Sira from the Qur'an I have put in

the whole verses. You can also read the entire Sura and also in context if you wish, inshallah.

2. "For instance, I can immediately and blindly refute most of what you said by just saying that: while there are billions of Muslims around the world, many of who are devout and puritan, you don't see them going after "infidels and killing non Muslims

Muslim PEOPLE can be good or bad or indifferent to other people like Hindus or Christians or Buddhists. But if a Muslim does not follow the Quran and the Hadiths, they are not being good Muslims, following the prophet pbuh.

3. "The Qura'n wasn't revealed all at once. In stead, it was in many cases revealed to respond to an incident or to order the early Muslims to do this or that.

That is blasphemy. The Holy Qur'an was not created. It existed before time as the word of Allah. If it existed before time, how can it be made to respond just to an incident at a point in time?

4. "As for the Hadeeths, here's a rule. If a Hadeeth contradicts the Quran, then it's plain rubbish. Don't delve into the realm of Hadeeth because it's full of mines.

The Hadiths I've quoted are from Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim one cannot deny these and be a good Muslim. These were written 200 years after the Islamic rule and they were verified by Hadith "science - that is, Bukhari got the verse from one person who said their grandfather heard someone else say that they had heard it from their cousin who had heard from his father who had heard from a companion of the prophet (pbuh) that the prophet had said it once. This is proof, scientific proof.

5. "I believe like many Muslims that the Qur'an is the source of religion.

Then why not agree that it was not created. The Qur'an existed from before time, alongside Allah and was not created (which brings up a paradox that if it existed before time and was not created, then is it equivalent to Allah? But leave that for the wise Imams to ponder). The Quran is the source and it says correct like

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