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attiya1.3

@attiya1.3

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Posted: 7 years ago

#11

The first question that you raised was is Quran flawed? ( God forbidden) and I immediately wanted to turn off this post but, then I realize this is a way to learn what ppl view Islam and Muslims.

Zara questioning is not wrong ..intact, she is valid with triple talaq point.

But, here comes way of interpreting things.

Every ayat or hadith has its own story, event and a point to be implemented.a layman can not understand easily why this ayat or hadith came.that's why we need scholars for its interpretation.

And every religious book is written in this way.you need expert.

Problem arises when layman and even some schokirs intentionally or unintentionally distort meaning. And here even common man is at fault who blindly follows 1 person.

If you want to know true meaning of Islam, go for authentic scholars...search ,question everything which creates curiosity and Allah clears all obstacles.

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gaushiv13

@gaushiv13

Dazzler

Posted: 7 years ago

#12

I DONT KNOW ISLAM OR QURAN BUT I KNOW ABOUT MANY ISLAMIC COUNTRIES WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH HINDUS

THE HATE FOR MUSLIM COME WHEN SOME POLITICIAN or muslim believer demand another state or other partition

there is now constantly a fear in muslim majority states in india that anyday they can start jihad anytime and demand a separate land

and i know what happen or what your religion teach is happening in islamic countries where all hindus are made sure to suffer

i dont like islam because they consider religion above their country

and they all say this is written in quran because it is written in quran balaphemy or jihad especially

I have no grudge against islam, have many Muslim friends I love. All religions started with the idea of helping humanity, giving it right direction but are ultimately hijacked by bigots and i dont like islam or dont love its princple either it is wrongly interprated or whatever is happening in islamic countries i dont want my india to become such one day

anybody not given the answer of my question if it is not written in quran .i have no problem with person in general but as on the name of islam they do anything like joining ISIS or disrespecting national slogan or anthem and many such on the name of respect for religion they dont love their country or the other religion as islam teach them to pray to allah to send every non believers to hell daily

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MuratHayat

@MuratHayat

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Posted: 7 years ago

#13

^^Just like attiya said the moment I read the post full of accusations and false information about Quran, custody rights of children etc I closed the page because I could clearly see you are filled with so much prejudice. But would like to say one simple thing:

Quran doesn't need any justification. Seeker of knowledge will seek the truth and not go by what others say nor will reach to conclusions on seeing people who are misled.

One more thing about those inhuman terrorists:

Prophet Muhammad warned people about rising of certain people in future times. They were known earlier as kharijites( terrorists). Few of the characteristics mentioned by Prophet Muhammad about these terrorists are that:

They will recite the Quran but it will not pass beyond their throats, meaning they don't understand or comprehend the teachings of Quran.

They go to extremes in religion until they abandon it

They show unnecessary excessiveness in their acts of worship.

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The Learner

@Free_Rein

Rocker

Posted: 7 years ago

#14

I am hindu but want to say one thing,if some muslims did something like you mentioned above we should not blame the entire muslims by generalising ,i think those terrorists are misinterpreting what written in Quran,My muslim friend herself says that she doesn't support terrorists not only her many muslims doesn't support,she says the terrorists misleading the people about the religion and spoiling the name of Allah ,Any god doesn't support killing humans,i don't believe that any god or religion support the terrorism,actually the Jihad is not what they are doing in the name of religion according to her.

I don't follow any religion and not also interested to follow in future but at the same time i don't want to disrespect any other religion eventhough i question some practices in Hinduism.At the same i question some practices to my muslim friends also.

But we should keep this forum peaceful,i saw many fandom wars in other forums but i think this is not the place for religious wars i guess,I myself have many doubts but i always think i should ask them without hurting their sentiments.No offense to anyone,this is purely my POV:).I somewhat connect t o muslim sentiments or feelings as i have a muslim friend sometimes i hurted her sentiments by asking logics and all,so i learnt a lesson from that they are very sensitive about their religion.

Edited by ...Nihara... - 7 years ago

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peeyara

@peeyara

Stunner

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Posted: 7 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: gaushiv13
I DONT KNOW ISLAM OR QURAN BUT I KNOW ABOUT MANY ISLAMIC COUNTRIES WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH HINDUS
THE HATE FOR MUSLIM COME WHEN SOME POLITICIAN or muslim believer demand another state or other partition
there is now constantly a fear in muslim majority states in india that anyday they can start jihad anytime and demand a separate land
and i know what happen or what your religion teach is happening in islamic countries where all hindus are made sure to suffer
i dont like islam because they consider religion above their country
and they all say this is written in quran because it is written in quran balaphemy or jihad especially
I have no grudge against islam, have many Muslim friends I love. All religions started with the idea of helping humanity, giving it right direction but are ultimately hijacked by bigots and i dont like islam or dont love its princple either it is wrongly interprated or whatever is happening in islamic countries i dont want my india to become such one day
anybody not given the answer of my question if it is not written in quran .i have no problem with person in general but as on the name of islam they do anything like joining ISIS or disrespecting national slogan or anthem and many such on the name of respect for religion they dont love their country or the other religion as islam teach them to pray to allah to send every non believers to hell daily

dont judge entire community based on few fanatics actions

If that is the case, then whatever happening in bengal is? Does that represent Hinduism? A big NO.

Those are few jobless and misguided guys who are creating violence, killing innocents in name of religion. Such people dpnt belong to any religion

Every nation, religion, caste, community have few ignorant fanatics so we should not judge entire nation,religion or caste based on them

And please common man is busy in struggle to meet end needs and dey dont have time to engage in wars n create sep state. Dont let politicians false allegation ruin your mind. Even muslims are fed that RSS will wipe out muslims from India. Heck RSS leaders have openly told same in their speeches. So shall we believe that? No. Cos that wud be stupid. Let them bark and enjoy wid popcorn

Yes we keep religion above everything-nation and infact above our parents but same religion asks us to love the place where we live(country) and if we betray the place where we live, we aint following teachings of Islam

People who believe ISIS are islamists, they are retards of highest orders cos if they were islamists why wud they kill muslims? Its a known fact that people who suffered most at the hands of ISIS are muslims. ISIS destroyed whose holy places? Muslims. Who attacked the holy city of muslims that too in holy month of Ramadhan? ISIS

Its ok to dislike anything, anyone or any religion. Hate is very strong emotion. If you have full knowledge then its fine. But hating something or even believing stuff said by so and so person is plain ignorance :)

ps: Jihad doesnt mean killing non muslims. It means to fight evil. And if its mentioned anywhere in Quran, please read it wid context :)

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peeyara

@peeyara

Stunner

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Posted: 7 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: AnjuRish
Sorry before i could complete it got posted
Islam as a religion may appeal to people who like its structure and way of life
Each to his own as long as law of the land is not harmed

The beauty of Quran is that its teachings will be still relevant even after 10000 years from now on

Quran is in such a way that with whatever intention one will read, one will get same

If you will read it with intention of getting peace for mind, you will feel same

If ypu will read wid intention to understand it, you will.

If you read wid intention to find faults, you will

If you read wid intention of acquiring knowledge, you will

And so on.

Teachings appear rigid but they aren't 😳

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gaushiv13

@gaushiv13

Dazzler

Posted: 7 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: ...Nihara...
I am hindu but want to say one thing,if some muslims did something like you mentioned above we should not blame the entire muslims by generalising ,i think those terrorists are misinterpreting what written in Quran,My muslim friend herself says that she doesn't support terrorists not only her many muslims doesn't support,she says the terrorists misleading the people about the religion and spoiling the name of Allah ,Any god doesn't support killing humans,i don't believe that any god or religion support the terrorism,actually the Jihad is not what they are doing in the name of religion according to her.

I don't follow any religion and not also interested to follow in future but at the same time i don't want to disrespect any other religion eventhough i question some practices in Hinduism.At the same i question some practices to my muslim friends also.

But we should keep this forum peaceful,i saw many fandom wars in other forums but i think this is not the place for religious wars i guess,I myself have many doubts but i always think i should ask them without hurting their sentiments.No offense to anyone,this is purely my POV:).I somewhat connect t o muslim sentiments or feelings as i have a muslim friend sometimes i hurted her sentiments by asking logics and all,so i learnt a lesson from that they are very sensitive about their religion.

I know all these that's why I never asked my friends as I get afraid

but I am thankful that in this forum they not started a war and put their opinion positively

I am sorry if it is hurting sentiments because I as a Hindu always ask questions related to my religion and gods and goddesses but never get a chance to do the same with Muslim

so I felt here are many Muslims so I put my opinion

I know they are only taking the religion name just to justify themselves but I don't understand why those all are about Muslims as I don't know each of them

I don't know the meaning of jihad or blasphemy but I got to know through social network sites and with speeches of some political parties

so tell me only three thing

1)what is jihad or blasphemy

2)why all Muslim daily pray to Allah to send the nonbelievers to hell daily

3)why in all Islamic countries or Muslim majority place don't let any other religion live in peace

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peeyara

@peeyara

Stunner

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Posted: 7 years ago

#18

Jihad is to fight against EVIL(and not aginst some particular religion). Like jihad for girl's education, jihad for making marriage easy, jihad for maintaining peace. Jihad isn't a WAR. Thats the wrong perception people have about Jihad.

Blasphemy is passing derogatory comments against sacred things and its applicable in each religion. Meaning if a muslim insults Allah and its messenger and Quran, its Blasphemy. If a hindu insults their Dieties, it Blasphemy. In simple terms, speaking vile, making derogatory comments, insulting sacred things is Blasphemy. And Quran has not mention any worldy punishment for Blasphemy. Its people who have decided upon punishments.

Next, Muslims prays 5 times a day and its not kill non muslims. Thats absurd. Why anyone prays from any religion? To thank God for all the blessings, to seek help to solve problems and for mental peace. We muslims to pray for same things and not to kill anyone.

Muslims themselves are not save in their own country eg. SYRIA. Its same everywhere. Like buddhists cleaning out muslims from their country. It has nothing to do with religion. Look at broader picture - its happening cos Humanity is dying slow death. People aren't empathetic any more, peple want money and power. This "not alowing to live in peace" isn't hppening only wid Hindus. Its happening wid Muslims, sikhs, blacks, Indians, etc.

PS: Till now, I have seen my fellow muslims answering positively and calmly even to posts that are instiating and I am sure they will maintain same. Feel free to ask anything :)

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adni143

@adni143

Voyager

Posted: 7 years ago

#19

I am a Hindu and has made several posts regarding this missinterpratation

I have learnt gita(you might have heard of this religious book) in a different perception.

In gita they say that every religion has to undergo change with changing times. Do you see kings and their armies now "no so the rajdharma and politics of that time are of no use now.

But every religion in my opinion tries to teach it's people the rightful path. That path should not be ever followed blind . Geeta itself says never believe in what others say or tell you. Unless you yourself see it and confirm.

Now coming to Islam. It is the biggest religion being followed in this world. But many people have used this religion wrongly by quoting the verses and things according to their convenience. Islam can be reformed in many ways . The youth of islam should not be brought in this world as victims of injustice. What many people try to use words is "humare Muslim Bhaiyo ke sath ye atyachaar hua and vo hua none of the leaders try to teach .

"Itna hone ke bawajood humare bhaiyo ne logo ko shanti ka pati chat diya, hamesha apne aap ko majboot banaya kabhi dusro ko kamzoor nahi kiya

When the new generation will talk in this positive attitude then surely islam will change.

And one more important thing no one on this earth is so powerful to change islam it is a great religion. If islam needs the change it can only be brought from inside by the true followers of islam.

1)Islam defined as "submission to doing the will of God meaning, living by His laws, is the only religion God ever sent to mankind. Is it conceivable that He would do otherwise?

2- However, the details of how one achieves Islam has changed to suit the place, time, understanding and development of each people.

3- So Islam has been undergoing reform from its very inception, but this reformation has been decided at source, by the author, God Himself.

4- The Holy Qur'an [HQ] claims to contain the latest version of Islam. It claims to be the final version which is why it contains a promise within itself to preserve the HQ and protect it from change and corruption. A promise that seems unbreakable.

5- The problem is that Islam is not being implemented properly.

6 When Islam was implemented properly, for example, from the time of Mohammed to the Middle Ages:

a] many nations became Muslims when they saw how much better the practices of Muslims were than their own

b] Social reforms ensured that women were given the respect and recognition they rightfully deserved and correct implementation of Islam's wealth based Zakat system was used to redistribute wealth and help people progress from being recipients of Zakat to being givers of it.

c] Muslims were the protectors of the weak and the oppressed. A testimony from a Jewish writes states "MOST EMPHATICALLY that the legal and ACTUAL POSITION of the Jews during the middle ages was much better in Muslim-Arab countries than in Christian Europe; and the 'Golden Age' of Judaism in Muslim Spain has become a phrase which has found its way even to the most popular accounts of Jewish history".

d] for nearly eight centuries [that's over half the 14 century age of the HQ] verses of the HQ inspired the early Muslims, who had been basically desert people for millennia before, to learn all that was known to mankind, to change much that was accepted as facts and to establish numerous new facts and many new disciplines too. They pushed forward the frontiers of human knowledge in every field of learning arts, medicine and philosophy, and advanced technology and civilisation .

e] Muslims developed a methodology of verifying facts through investigation, experimentation and repeatable demonstration which actually gave birth to what we today call science.

f] Muslims built cities that were the envy of the biggest capitals in Europe, brought about high standards of living and new products and concepts that became sought after exotic luxuries among well to do Europeans who imported them together with the vocabulary that described them. Much of this vocabulary is still traceable in the English language

So Islam does not need reform, but Muslims need to go back to the Islam that inspired the early Muslims to lay the foundation for all the benefits that humanity enjoys today.

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fangirl-swasan

@fangirl-swasan

Inactive

Posted: 7 years ago

#20

Umm I would suggest that you actually do extensive research on Islam and then come up with these notions. Most of your opinions are grossly inaccurate. Let me start by addressing some of the concerns you have mentioned. No verse in the Quran actually starts with bashing Non - Muslims. It mostly talks about attributes of Allah and other aspects of Islam. A believer is just cautioned that if they fail to do a certain thing he\she might end up in hell. Other then that the entire concept of Halalah that is if you wish to marry you first husband you would have to marry another was put in place to make divorce undesirable. The repercussions of divorce are so severe that a couple who doesn't have any actual problems would be deterred from taking an extreme step. Lastly, ours is a religion of peace Quran never advocates killing rather it states that if you save one life you save the whole of humanity and it also implores us to forgive other people. Our Prophet Muhammad S.A.W pardoned his daughter's killer who was a non -muslim he even forgave a women who was involved in the killing of his uncle and who literally chewed his dead uncles liver. If you actually study the life of Holy Prophet S.A.W you would be astonished by his grace, honesty and kindness. My suggestion to everyone who brings up Islam on this forum please, properly research on a religion and its aspects. By research I don't mean just singular research but use the triangulation method look at every aspect the good and the bad and then if you still have some confusion post it here. I will always be available to answer. Good day to you all:)

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