Stalking for Love

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Posted: 7 years ago
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A really great video on this problematic trope in cinema.
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ1MPc5HG_I[/YOUTUBE]

We often give Bollywood shit, but its so widespread.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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After being told 100 times your happy ending will come. An it still hasn't will make some people cynical 😭 😭
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Posted: 7 years ago
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It just shows one side of the problem . Women like bad guys too
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: 2RsFan

It just shows one side of the problem . Women like bad guys too


Women like bad guys is also a myth perpetuated by problematic tropes. Most women in the real world will say that they want a partner who respects them. It is usually naive teenagers and young women who think the bad boy stereotype is cool
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Posted: 7 years ago
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no, women like good guys.

let women speak for themselves.

its like saying women get physically abused by husbands because they like the physical domination of manly mens. no we don't.

we love guys who respects women
who has manners
who is well read
who is adventurous
who is kind
who is understanding
who is compassionate


don't put the blame of victims of stalkers. its like saying women are to be blamed for getting raped.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: 2RsFan

It just shows one side of the problem . Women like bad guys too


Where did you hear that from? Little teenagers?

Women DO NOT like bad boys. At Most, if someone says they like bad boys, it's mostly for timepass. Not a life partner or companion. We seek respect and stability in life. Not some teenage drama.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

A really great video on this problematic trope in cinema.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ1MPc5HG_I[/YOUTUBE]

We often give Bollywood shit, but its so widespread.




Didn't realize it's prevalence in HW... Did they get ideas from BW 😛

Still I say BW is much much worse

P.S. Not sure about 'Groundhog day' though... Was that stalking?

Maybe I need to rewatch the movie
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: ---Betty---



Still I say BW is much much worse

P.S. Not sure about 'Groundhog day' though... Was that stalking?

Maybe I need to rewatch the movie


Bollywood is definitely much worse. I think because Bollywood sometimes includes cringeworthy touching and borderline sexual harassment as "love".

But I am surprised at how much Hollywood does it too. In the recent Netflix show "Everything Sucks" Luke puts Kate in a spot by asking her out in a video broadcast to the whole school. Its shown as cute, but for a girl that is mortifying. Especially for Kate who is questioning her sexuality.

This is what the maker of the video said about Groundhog Day in YT

A few folks have objected to my inclusion of Groundhog Day in this Stalking For Love video essay. Unlike some of the other complaints, these feel like they're made in good faith. The film does have some nuance to it but I'd like to take a minute to talk about why it fits the trope. The objections I'm seeing go something like this: "Yes Phil stalks Rita but it doesn't work. She falls for him only after he becomes a better person. That's a fair reading and the one the movie wants us to take away. However I think the message is a bit more insidious than that. For those unfamiliar with Groundhog Day, part of the plot revolves around a man named Phil stalking a woman named Rita via a repeating time loop. Phil leverages this loop to surreptitiously gather personal details about Rita's life and then uses that info to try and woo her. There's a scene early in the movie where Phil asks Rita what her "ideal man" would be like and she tells him. Initially he ignores what she says she wants and instead tries to trick her into sleeping with him. This tactic doesn't work and leads to a series of harsh rejections. During his stalking, Phil realizes he's actually in love with Rita. So next he tries telling her the truth about the time loop. To prove it he reveals very personal details about her life which he learned through stalking. This "I'm a god scene is framed as sweet and romantic. Inspired by his newfound love for Rita, Phil decides to use the time loop to improve himself. And, as I say in my video, he does legitimately become a better person. Ok great. But let's take a closer look at the specifics of Phil's transformation. The better person Phil becomes is almost exactly the "ideal man Rita describes at the start of the movie. Right down to learning to play a musical instrument which is one of her requirements. He also learns to genuinely appreciate French poetry (her major in college). On the last day of the time loop we see Phil embodying Rita's "ideal man." He acts in selfless ways, he cares about others, he plays a musical instrument and so on. And she is of course attracted to him for these reasons. On that last day Phil carves a perfect Ice sculpture of Rita's face. She asks how he did it. He responds "I know your face so well I could have done it with my eyes closed. Again we see his surreptitiously acquired personal knowledge about her being framed as super romantic. I'd argue that Groundhog Day frames the surreptitious gathering of personal details as negative when Phil uses it to try to trick her into sleeping with him (PUA style) BUT the movie then frames it as really sweet when that info is used for gestures of "true love." In the end, Groundhog Day is a movie about a woman who says "no" dozens of times and a man who refuses to take that "no" for an answer, and then, by genuinely becoming her "perfect man," he finally wins her over. As I say in my video essay, I really like Groundhog Day. It's a clever and entertaining movie. It just doesn't get a pass on its use of stalking behavior.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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To add Pop Culture Detective is a great YouTube Channel to follow. It is run by Jonathon McIntosh and his focus is on pop culture depictions of masculinity. Its a really great channel showing how media reinforces toxic masculinity. He also does some exploration on positive depictions of masculinity too.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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This is a bit off topic. But, as someone who was stalked in her younger years, by actual "young" teenage boys. Let me just say girls do not find stalking acceptable or "cool," even as a teenager. Most I can say about such stalkers is that they are bunch of cowards with no personality to compensate if they have to resort to tactics like stalking. If you actually had some inner confidence to spare, you would approach the girl respectfully and try to talk to her normally, not stalk her everywhere. It's a huge misunderstanding guys tend to have about girls 'enjoying,' stalking or seeing it as some kind of flattery or compliment. I couldn't even approach my parents about it at the time and all it gave me was anxiety. And the way bollywood keeps perpetuating that concept even in today's day and age is absolutely disgusting! For once, I want to see a bollywood film showcase the effects of stalking on the actual girl being stalked and from her perspective, not the roadside romeo's perspective who is doing the stalking justifying it in the name of 'love.' 🤢

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