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Posted: 7 years ago
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When writers conceptualise a love story...conflicts are a very necessary part of the mix. For instance, Naina and Sameer were intended to be chalk and cheese. They were given different upbringing, sensibilities, circumstances and then they were to be brought together by the thing that some people call fate and some coincidence. They were then expected to fall in love despite the odds.

How well the writers use these differences will determine how interesting the story becomes. Yes, flaws are also written into character traits...if they weren't how will a story become as interesting as this...enuf for us to dissect every possible aspect of their character traits and those of their loved ones.

Yet a love story wins when both characters win and if we as viewers can feel their journey of love. We have seen a short journey from Naina's end and one from Sameer's end...But have they reached their destination?No...it means Picture abhi baki hain in the time honoured tradition of love stories.šŸ˜‰šŸ˜‰

As for why Naina has acted in the manner she has ...i have a few simple observations😊

Naina has fallen in love at first sight and worked to build on that love story. She fell in love with the idea of falling in love as much as she fell in love with Sameer. Does she really understand Sameer yet? Perhaps No..Sameer himself has started to understand himself only now by his own admission so we can't expect Naina to yet do that.šŸ˜†šŸ˜†


Has Sameer been totally true to her in all those instances in the past? No..so Naina reads the situation from her level of perception. She misreads him on some as we have seen but she may be right in perceiving that Sameer has indeed intended to humiliate her and that his actions are merely a result of his wanting to assuage his feelings of guilt and not intended to placate her. As for her duplicity in not coming clean on the Arjun stealing issue, her time to come clean was when she realised it but she lacked courage of conviction. Her sensibilties do not permit her to love with the gay abandon that perhaps Sameer does. She has always lived in a shadow and while she may take positions of conscience in matters involving her, I read her as a character lacking the will to go against family authority. When Naina came to know her brother's act, while she confronted him, she again did not pursue the matter perhaps fearing the outcome for Arjun personally. In the past she used to be torn between love / duty to her family and love for Sameer. However, today she is under no such illusion of love. She has steeled her resolve to forget Sameer and so to expect Naina to put the whole chain of events into perspective is not practical. Having said that...the wrongdoing of Arjun as also Naina's lack of conviction in owning up to it is an important aspect and the time will come in the story to confront that as well. When will that happen? Not for me to say. šŸ˜†

This post is not intended to challenge the various discussions of what is right and wrong...about the characters. It is natural for viewers to view a situation in a story in different ways and we may all be right in the way we perceive things. I just wished to put the matter in the context of the story and the narrative. When we say Naina should come clean on the Arjun issue now...my only point is...Yes she should but as I read the story...the time for it was in the past. Our judgement of situations is not that clear when we are in anger as Naina is presently. So no use in saying why Naina did not divulge it now. Her sense of high moral ground now is because she is the aggrieved party. She sees the actions of Sameer in that light only. Also to put things into perspective...the matter of the bet and the matter of Sameer's innocence are actually two different things. Apologies are due from both ends unconditionally. However, Naina from her level of perception does not see them as connected events. Unless I missed something in the narrative...will be happy to discuss this...


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Enjoyed reading your post!

I also feel that the time for Naina to speak up was in the past. When she first found out the truth, I can actually understand somewhat why she didn't say anything then - that was the time when Sameer had just made the bet, and he had invited her to his party, etc. Their relationship hadn't even really started then. And she wanted to protect Arjun, so she kept quiet. But then, by the time they were getting ready for the Mount Abu trip, she had started trusting Sameer so much, and their relationship had really grown (in her eyes anyway). For me, this would have been the appropriate time for her to come out with the truth, at least to Sameer if no one else. I don't know if it's a character flaw of hers that they're trying to show, or whether they just conveniently let this part go in order to continue with and finish off the bet storyline. But now, after finding out what Sameer did, I agree that she is not going to be introspective about any of this at this point, as her mind is elsewhere.

What I do feel the makers should be showing now are Arjun's thoughts on his actions. He did show some remorse over what he did in one of the earlier episodes. I remember Naina was trying to help put on his headboy pin, and he was getting upset with her, because the guilt was getting to him. He ran into Sameer in the corridor right after that, and wasn't able to say anything to him. Now, today, after facing Sameer again with all that anger because of what he did with Naina, I feel Arjun's guilt could have been shown again briefly - I was hoping they would show him being disgusted with himself for stealing the papers and becoming headboy, as it only resulted in his sister getting hurt. Perhaps they will show this in the coming episodes, after Sameer starts helping him and they start to get to know one another.

Let's see what happens. 😊
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Nice postšŸ‘šŸ˜ƒ
Regarding Naina I will also say that at this time when she is trying hard to go away from him and his memories... all such instances probably make it easier for her to do so... I think she is in look out for reasons to hate him more and more now... so her reaction at this stage is kinda justified 😳

If she had to tell him... mt abu was the best time to do that... 😊

But regarding Arjun... he is not at all guilty for his sin and has forgotten about what he did and that this bet is all the result of his sin only...

I wish he tells everyone the truth himself one day😳
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Great postšŸ‘
Your point is totally logical.. everything has a time..it just might not be d time to reveal d paper stealing truth

How I take this matter is..Naina would reveal d truth to everyone when she'll be ready to go against her family, for Sameer.. that'll be after both them hv confessed love to each other.. n I also think that Arjun will be supporting her!!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Very well thought through and presented post!
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@dilse99 & @braveheartdoc thanks for sharing your thoughts...
Until you mentioned the issues regarding the Arjun's lack of introspection which has rankled many...I realised i did not highlight the aspect in my post at all...šŸ˜†šŸ˜†

I was so engrossed in the love story dynamics that I was only commenting on the two, Sameer and Naina...šŸ˜‰ I see ensemble characters as Cupids in a love story. their actions will push the protagonists to test their bond. šŸ˜‰ beyond that in a love story, they do not exist for me and I am saying this brutally. I don't mean that the supporting cast is not important. No...they are very important but for me their larger part is in how they aid the love story😃 And how interestingly they are used by the creatives shows their dexterity with the medium. Taiji, Chacha, Chachi, Preeti, Arjun, Munna, Pandit Swati Shefali Nanu etc are all interesting characters. See...even Pooja...she is to be married...that is the biggest role she plays in the story...šŸ˜†

Since we are discussing Arjun...and i will share my thoughts on the character...

Arjun's character is interestingly poised. He is a character that has the ability to break free but chains of expectations bind him. He has seen his father's decline in self esteem and has come to believe that he is the path of salvation for his father. He feels the pressure of his expectations but also feels that he has no way out of that situation except by succumbing to it. His first misdemeanour as shown to us was with regard to cheating under duress even as his conscience pricked him. He has since then put that aspect behind him, ( conveniently by the CVs, I may add) but his interactions with Shefali has caused him to question some things if not all. Shefali definitely has a huge influence in the way he will think on issues from now on but difficult to say how their personal dynamics will themselves work out.

As for Arjun not connecting the bet to the his issue of cheating...one way of looking at this is...he does not see it as connected. šŸ˜† he has no knowledge that Sameer had issues with Naina to plot such an elaborate charade. He perhaps thinks that Sameer did this to get back at him. He is simply asking Sameer, if you could not become the headboy, why did you trouble my sister...you should have challenged me. As for his own lack of introspection on the matter of cheating...i would still...it is still to play out.

Just rewind to the encounter in the playground...what happened there. But before that...what had happened. He had been given evasive replies by his sister and he had started to put 2 and 2 together and thankfully came up with 4. So he wanted to confront Sameer but he did not go right after him. While playing at the ground, the opportunity for confrontation presented itself. He goaded Sameer who initially did not raise to the bait. Later when they fought...Arjun was almost ready to go back to his actual gentler instincts by saying...just move away or else this might escalate.

He would have subsequently cooled down but for the incriminating piece of evidence that comes to his view and he becomes agitated again. Where is the time to go back and calmly think of past actions. Poor guyšŸ˜† more than the past he must wish that he had looked at the consequences in the form of Rakesh and the bat and he might have saved himself some trouble...šŸ˜‰

but bolte hain na...jo hota hain achhe ke liye hota hain...😊 Sameer aur Naina ke liye!!šŸ˜‰
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sanfan

When writers conceptualise a love story...conflicts are a very necessary part of the mix. For instance, Naina and Sameer were intended to be chalk and cheese. They were given different upbringing, sensibilities, circumstances and then they were to be brought together by the thing that some people call fate and some coincidence. They were then expected to fall in love despite the odds.

How well the writers use these differences will determine how interesting the story becomes. Yes, flaws are also written into character traits...if they weren't how will a story become as interesting as this...enuf for us to dissect every possible aspect of their character traits and those of their loved ones.

Yet a love story wins when both characters win and if we as viewers can feel their journey of love. We have seen a short journey from Naina's end and one from Sameer's end...But have they reached their destination?No...it means Picture abhi baki hain in the time honoured tradition of love stories.šŸ˜‰šŸ˜‰

As for why Naina has acted in the manner she has ...i have a few simple observations😊

Naina has fallen in love at first sight and worked to build on that love story. She fell in love with the idea of falling in love as much as she fell in love with Sameer. Does she really understand Sameer yet? Perhaps No..Sameer himself has started to understand himself only now by his own admission so we can't expect Naina to yet do that.šŸ˜†šŸ˜†


Has Sameer been totally true to her in all those instances in the past? No..so Naina reads the situation from her level of perception. She misreads him on some as we have seen but she may be right in perceiving that Sameer has indeed intended to humiliate her and that his actions are merely a result of his wanting to assuage his feelings of guilt and not intended to placate her. As for her duplicity in not coming clean on the Arjun stealing issue, her time to come clean was when she realised it but she lacked courage of conviction. Her sensibilties do not permit her to love with the gay abandon that perhaps Sameer does. She has always lived in a shadow and while she may take positions of conscience in matters involving her, I read her as a character lacking the will to go against family authority. When Naina came to know her brother's act, while she confronted him, she again did not pursue the matter perhaps fearing the outcome for Arjun personally. In the past she used to be torn between love / duty to her family and love for Sameer. However, today she is under no such illusion of love. She has steeled her resolve to forget Sameer and so to expect Naina to put the whole chain of events into perspective is not practical. Having said that...the wrongdoing of Arjun as also Naina's lack of conviction in owning up to it is an important aspect and the time will come in the story to confront that as well. When will that happen? Not for me to say. šŸ˜†

This post is not intended to challenge the various discussions of what is right and wrong...about the characters. It is natural for viewers to view a situation in a story in different ways and we may all be right in the way we perceive things. I just wished to put the matter in the context of the story and the narrative. When we say Naina should come clean on the Arjun issue now...my only point is...Yes she should but as I read the story...the time for it was in the past. Our judgement of situations is not that clear when we are in anger as Naina is presently. So no use in saying why Naina did not divulge it now. Her sense of high moral ground now is because she is the aggrieved party. She sees the actions of Sameer in that light only. Also to put things into perspective...the matter of the bet and the matter of Sameer's innocence are actually two different things. Apologies are due from both ends unconditionally. However, Naina from her level of perception does not see them as connected events. Unless I missed something in the narrative...will be happy to discuss this...



@ bold and red

Well I would rather say the Sameer Naina knows ...Sameer is no longer that person!!
All he did falls in the line of being FAKE!!
And the person Sameer is today Naina doesn't know!
How will she?
..Sameer himself is discovering himself ... so Naina knowing it is impossible..so this track of Sameer being at Naina s house is a fresh start for Naina of rediscovering Sameer...Sameer path to self discovery!
So i would say actually journey starts now...that was a Prologue
Picture tho puri hi baaki haišŸ˜†

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Very well put topic and analysis Sanfan, enjoyed reading this thread
Even the replies by all were too good!
I do not have anything to add to this as I am very much satisfied by these explanations. I agree that Arjun will eventually realize his misdoings and admit all of it himself when he notices and sees Sameer all changed .


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Wonderfully summarised, Rekh. And an excellent analysis of Arjun too! Though I am like you- had never given him another thought, since I am only interested in the love birds.
Naina is very much a flawed character for me. What she did to Swathi, hiding what she had going with Sameer...and at times even misleading her... Let me be mean here and say she deserved this for what she did to her best friend. šŸ˜‰I see it as Karma.šŸ˜†

But what started this bet? I can understand a part of the audience demanding she comes clear on the paper leak. Surprisingly, I haven't given it another thought. If I remember the story correctly (I started watching the show seriously only around then) , it was understood that Sameer couldn't have copied it since he didn't do so well anyway. The only disastrous side effect, was his fallout with his mom which Naina has really not comprehended that well. As you said, I also feel Naina has simply forgotten that episode so long ago, since nothing is an excuse for the bet Sameer made and his dubious actions thereafter . I doubt it is going to come up again, unless Arjun clears Sameer's name... if it is required at all.

Other than that, the said incident does not affect Sameer anymore, especially since he has matured a little bit more than Naina right now, which he had to, considering the damage he has done. I guess this is also why the audience is going to feel for Sameer a little more now.

Naina still loves Sameer.
Sameer loves Naina.
Naina will not trust Sameer for a long time.
In the meantime, she will end up hurting them both.
Now, only if Naina had the power of amnesia the audience has so easy access to! šŸ˜‰


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[QUOTE chicksoup]Wonderfully summarised, Rekh. And an excellent analysis of Arjun too! Though I am like you- had never given him another thought, since I am only interested in the love birds.
Naina is very much a flawed character for me. What she did to Swathi, hiding what she had going with Sameer...and at times even misleading her... Let me be mean here and say she deserved this for what she did to her best friend. šŸ˜‰I see it as Karma.šŸ˜†

But what started this bet? I can understand a part of the audience demanding she comes clear on the paper leak. Surprisingly, I haven't given it another thought. If I remember the story correctly (I started watching the show seriously only around then) , it was understood that Sameer couldn't have copied it since he didn't do so well anyway. The only disastrous side effect, was his fallout with his mom which Naina has really not comprehended that well. As you said, I also feel Naina has simply forgotten that episode so long ago, since nothing is an excuse for the bet Sameer made and his dubious actions thereafter . I doubt it is going to come up again, unless Arjun clears Sameer's name... if it is required at all.

U know Soup...when I look at the serial at what it has shown so far...it hasnt shown Naina having any real understanding of Sameer's circumstances...apart from the poverty of plenty that the not-so-affluent see the affluent having...When Sameer has a breakdown on the hilltop...I dont think Naina has reacted to any aspect of how it all came about...this is what most viewers have missed in the narrative...Naina has no idea how Sameer has a chip on his shoulder on that matter except in some passing phrases...unless my memory is failing me here..She knows the guy has some issues...but I don't think she has reflected much on how it has affected Sameer's way of thinking. In fact, even Sameer will have a better understanding of Naina's circumstances now. Naina's reaction on that hill top was of a heart filled with love wanting to comfort a friend. However, in the aftermath of what followed...she sees it all as tainted. She is unlikely to see it as anything else until she has an ability to see beyond herself at the moment. She has kept her grief a central theme for now...


Other than that, the said incident does not affect Sameer anymore, especially since he has matured a little bit more than Naina right now, which he had to, considering the damage he has done. I guess this is also why the audience is going to feel for Sameer a little more now.

Naina still loves Sameer.
Sameer loves Naina.
Naina will not trust Sameer for a long time.
In the meantime, she will end up hurting them both.
Now, only if Naina had the power of amnesia the audience has so easy access to! šŸ˜‰

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