Ranvir illness: A question????

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Is Ranvir really terminally ill?

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Mandy

@MrDarcyfan

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Posted: 7 years ago

#21

@Anshvi:

I actually don't find Ranvir that well written! We are not sure what he is at this stage! As for A falling for him? That will actually be the cliche! He cons her into marriage and she falls for him? That sounds like a Gul khan show. Nothing original about that!

What would be different is Anchal playing it smart to defeat him at his own game once she realises she has been trapped by someone who pretended to be helping her while his aim was to Haasil her, wether she likes it or not!

I can't say Ranveers actions are in any way justified as he is abusing Anchal's trust and trapping her! That is not love and never can be termed as such! This whole "helping Anchal and Kabir unite is a front. He is trying to look like a great sacrificing noblemen when his intentions are anything but nobel! I can enjoy watching someone like that but can never root for him! He is not like Maya! She never pretended to be good and male lead fell for her and she just showed her Beyhadh love! But here Anchal is in love with Kabir. She wants him not Ranveer! So the game R is playing is as dirty as it gets!

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anshvi

@anshvi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan
@Anshvi:

I actually don't find Ranvir that well written! We are not sure what he is at this stage! As for A falling for him? That will actually be the cliche! He cons her into marriage and she falls for him? That sounds like a Gul khan show. Nothing original about that!

What would be different is Anchal playing it smart to defeat him at his own game once she realises she has been trapped by someone who pretended to be helping her while his aim was to Haasil her, wether she likes it or not!

I can't say Ranveers actions are in any way justified as he is abusing Anchal's trust and trapping her! That is not love and never can be termed as such! This whole "helping Anchal and Kabir unite is a front. He is trying to look like a great sacrificing noblemen when his intentions are anything but nobel! I can enjoy watching someone like that but can never root for him! He is not like Maya! She never pretended to be good and male lead fell for her and she just showed her Beyhadh love! But here Anchal is in love with Kabir. She wants him not Ranveer! So the game R is playing is as dirty as it gets!

See firstly I can never compare Maya with Ranvir..Maya killed innocent people to fulfil what she needed...Maya could never be justifid in what she did

Secondly Ranvir is not one dimensional...makers have not yet shown anything bad about him and still we know there is more than meets the eye.

Also when one likes a certain character then often they become biased to that character.it goes for all of us...u and me included

That is why u were ok if Kabir trapped Aanchal in his trap..used CPR trick to gain her trust..yes as u said he was not gonna marry her but leave her at the altar by humiliating her.

Ranvir is faking his illness to marry Aanchal...yes he is using manipulations...but what will he do after marrying her...what exactly are his intentions remains to be seen...he has not 'abused' Aanchal in any way.

As I said that is what makes him a complex grey character...he is not self sacrificial...Also it is not about justifying his act...it is about understanding his actions...let's say he did lie to Aanchal and married her...Now he will give her unconditional love and support...i don't see him using force on her ever..what if Aanchal does fall in love with him..what if after falling in love she comes to know that he lied...that would be interesting to see.

What would have been interesting was if Aanchal never fell in Kabir's trap.it maked her look like a fool when she got blinded by love and fell in the trap so easily

I was hoping she would be the grey female lead...someone who trapped one brother in fake love while married the other to create a rift between the two

Ranvir also marryig her for a purpose.

I don't want this to be a Gul show where a sati savitri falls in love with husband and changes him for the good...nope

I want a girl to fall in love with a complex grey character and understand him for who he is...love him for the person he is..

I want to see a love story of 2 grey characters...in Indian TV girl necer falls for the anti hero...and makers have necer shown such a love story...classic example if Vampire Diaries.

Aanchal trying to unite with Kabir while Ranvir trying to separate them is the last thing I want to see coz that is very predictable and cliche for me...I don't find it interesting at all

By grey I mean grey and not a negative character...when makers say grey then they should stick to it...when they said all 3 are grey and no one is negative and I want them to stick to their concept...coz makers often turn grey character into negative and thus ruin the show and the character.

So, yup we clearly have different opinions on the matter

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Mandy

@MrDarcyfan

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Posted: 7 years ago

#23

@anshvi:

I didn't say Ranveer has abused Anchal. I said he is "Abusing her trust!, which is what he is doing by pretending he is doing all this to unite her with Kabir!

I was never OK with Kabir trying to fake with Anchal. In fact I was glad he got found out coz that is what he deserves! So I will NEVER be OK with Ranveer pretending to be dying to trap Anchal. Ranveer claims to love the Raichand's, but he clearly doesn't give a damn about how upset they are over his illness! If he is faking it is unforgivable! It's not something to be dismissed or forgiven!

Kabir is childish and juvenile in some of his actions! Hence the plot and the plan to bring down Anchal. It was always a stupid idea! But what Ranveer is doing is bordering on Psychotic! He does not deserve Anchal's love after trapping her in a web of lies faking a terminal illness! If she falls for him after this I will consider her more pathetic than the Big talking but no self respect Gul Khan heroines! Ranveer is marrying her, not dumping her at the alter! This is a man she does not want to marry, and even more disgusting she's in love with his own brother.

Maya was a killer. No she was not justified. But she never faked like Ranveer is doing! Like it or not, it's pretty obvious that Ranveer's exceptional goodness is fake and a pretence! He pretended to support Anchal and Kabir's alliance while secretly plotting to get Anchal for himself the whole time! Kabir immaturely tried to revenge himself on Anchal for Ranveer's insult. But on the contrary I don't think Ranveer cares about Kabir at all. The only reason he saves him is for the parents! In fact I think he resents Kabir for being the Real Raichand heir and made sure he lived a carefree life without involving himself in business! He did it on purpose to make sure Kabir would not overtake him in business. I know this is not what you think of Ranveer but looking at how things are going, this is what I feel is going on!

Liked reading your thoughts, and hope to have some good debates on this subject.

Edited by MrDarcyfan - 7 years ago

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anshvi

@anshvi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan
@anshvi:

I didn't say Ranveer has abused Anchal. I said he is "Abusing her trust!, which is what he is doing by pretending he is doing all this to unite her with Kabir!

I was never OK with Kabir trying to fake with Anchal. In fact I was glad he got found out coz that is what he deserves! So I will NEVER be OK with Ranveer pretending to be dying to trap Anchal. Ranveer claims to love the Raichand's, but he clearly doesn't give a damn about how upset they are over his illness! If he is faking it is unforgivable! It's not something to be dismissed or forgiven!

Kabir is childish and juvenile in some of his actions! Hence the plot and the plan to bring down Anchal. It was always a stupid idea! But what Ranveer is doing is bordering on Psychotic! He does not deserve Anchal's love after trapping her in a web of lies faking a terminal illness! If she falls for him after this I will consider her more pathetic than the Big talking but no self respect Gul Khan heroines! Ranveer is marrying her, not dumping her at the alter! This is a man she does not want to marry, and even more disgusting she's in love with his own brother.

Maya was a killer. No she was not justified. But she never faked like Ranveer is doing! Like it or not, it's pretty obvious that Ranveer's exceptional goodness is fake and a pretence! He pretended to support Anchal and Kabir's alliance while secretly plotting to get Anchal for himself the whole time! Kabir immaturely tried to revenge himself on Anchal for Ranveer's insult. But on the contrary I don't think Ranveer cares about Kabir at all. The only reason he saves him is for the parents! In fact I think he resents Kabir for being the Real Raichand heir and made sure he lived a carefree life without involving himself in business! He did it on purpose to make sure Kabir would not overtake him in business. I know this is not what you think of Ranveer but looking at how things are going, this is what I feel is going on!

Liked reading your thoughts, and hope to have some good debates on this subject.

Well she did fake her rape attempt , she did fake it when she threw all the gifts out of the window, she did had an alliance with Samay which she kept hidden...She did trap poor Tulsi and broke her trust by murdering...So, Maya was never straight forward when it came to Arjun in my opinion.

So, far we are only assuming that Ranvir doesn't care about Kabir, he is psychotic and all while he hasn't done anything, see we are only assuming this coz that is what makers have indicated...His illness is too coincidental to be real

Ranvir is an intelligent man who writes his own destiny and not a self sacrifical saint..In thrillers it is a norm that the most positive guy is the most shady one

Ranvir is adopted which directly makes people think that he did everything to get what Kabir has even Aanchal..this is the first thought that came to my mind as well...and precisely why i don't want this to happen..coz it is very predictable and cliche

All these things directly point to what most have predicted...Him lying about all this then trying to separate AanBir...which i think is the most predictable thing to happen and m not expecting something so cliche and basic from the makers

Writer has confirmed that he doesn't hate Kabir so instead of assuming i will wait for things to open up

Also simply because Vatsal said that he is positive hence we all are assuming that he is what he appears to be..If Vatsal didn't confirm that he is positive then i could have assumed that both bros are playing a game..that would have made things very interesting.

We have still no clue who trapped Ranvir in Meenu case, who re-opened Dharamchand case...Someone clearly is plotting against Ranvir

So, he is not the only player in this game in my opinion !

You have given a clean chit to all while have put the whole blame on Ranvir when we are yet to find out why exactly he is lying about his illness...when we are yet to find out why Raichands adopted him when they already had Kabir, when we are yet to find out about who re-opened Dharamchand case.

I don't think falling in love with Ranvir will mean she has no self respect...I think her falling in love with Kabir at that poiint was a dumb move...From her point of view...Ranvir is a good guy, a great bro, friend, and son...from her point of view he has done everything for her and Kabir...and then he will be her husband...so in this case it will not be unnatural if she falls for him

Also one more thing she did forgive Kabir for trapping her in fake love drama.

Also writer did mention that her choosing Kabir was her decision even if it was an impulsive decision...So, she indeed is impulsive...So, i will not let it past her to fall for Ranvir

Conflict will come if after falling in love she comes to know that he faked his illness..She did say that strong arms are needed to break her.

Also faking his illness of course is wrong and that is what makes him grey...a man whose actions will be questionable at times while his intentions might be right...someone whom we will hate to love and love to hate

As per you he is clearly the main villain of the show but as per the writers he is not negative while a grey character and that is precisely i want them to show...An authentic grey character.

Right now most of us have predicted what u wrote...Ranvir faking everything , marrying Aanchal and then him turning out to be a villlain, Aabir re-unite and he dies..This is what is being hinted at

Coz most of us have predicted this i don't want this to come true...I am expecting the writers to not show something so cliche and predictable which most of us have already guessed...I don't want to see Ranvir as a one dimensional villain but a complex grey character.

But i am not sure if makers are capable of showing a complex grey character, they often turn grey characters into negative

Edited by anshvi - 7 years ago

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Gewels

@Gewels

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Posted: 7 years ago

#25

Not everything has been revealed, and indeed some things will probably only be shown much later in the show.
I actually would like the suspense and doubts to go uncleared until much later, when uncomfortable truths for all are revealed.
The one genuine fact is that Ranvir fell hard for Aanchal, while Kabir was pretending. Now that he says he's not, and is genuinely in love, it strikes me as a bit of a reach. My problem with their romance is that I didn't see it happening. The only meaningful conversations she had were with Ranvir. So it was a shock to see them engaged.

So, Ranvir's mysteries are to be exposed, what mysteries and secrets are Kabir and Aanchal hiding?

Edited by Gewels - 7 years ago